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Do you care to elaborate Bob? I'm curious about your reasons since I didn't like the D3 either.I loved the D3 handling, but was bored with the images.
We will see.....
-bob
The files never looked that good to me, just boring.Do you care to elaborate Bob? I'm curious about your reasons since I didn't like the D3 either.
I had the same experience as you, ergonomically a great camera but the images left me cold the same as it did with the D2x and D300 prior to that. I'm in love with my Fujis and have a Leaf 75s for high rez, I guess we're in the same boat.The files never looked that good to me, just boring.
I am not terribly sure if it was lens related, or AA filter related, but I think that I have been spoiled by the M8 and the Phase P45+.
I want files to sing with detail and sharpness, or at least I would prefer to be in control. With the D3 it was just not really there.
Some of the samples I have seen of the D3X are encouraging, but I am being a bit cautious now after the D3 experience. From the D3X samples I have seen, it could be that the issues were AA related, but before sinking that much for yet another new body, I would like to see a few good raw files before taking the jump.
I did like the ergonomics, however, everything important that I needed mid-shoot was at my fingertips.
was were your findings?
thanks
-bob
David,I had the same experience as you, ergonomically a great camera but the images left me cold the same as it did with the D2x and D300 prior to that. I'm in love with my Fujis and have a Leaf 75s for high rez, I guess we're in the same boat.
No but I looked into it and didn't make sense for me. For one I'm really happy with the S5 and don't really need anything more for now. 2nd, I have a very heavy investment in F mount glass, Nikkors, Zeiss, Hasselblads, etc., that I collected over the years and many of which I really like. Sony's main allure was the Zeiss AF lenses until I found out that there aren't any primes besides the 135mm yet, so no more temptation. Bottom line, as far 35mm is concerned the S5 is still THE camera for me, even medium format hasn't changed that. I'm not a pixel peeper and only do that when the images aren't right for me and thats what I did with the the D3 and the Sigma so they're gone, I'm seeing too much of that going on with the Sony too. High MP count isn't a substitute for tonal depth and range, maybe I'll bite if I find another dslr that beats the S5 in that department...David,
Have you tried the Sony?
There is also a Zeiss AF 85/1.4 Prime, and it has been offered for some time. Some of the Sony G series lenses are stellar optics ... for example my 70-200/2.8G APO visibly outperforms my Nikon 70-200/2.8VR as well as the Canon 70-200/2.8IS I had prior to the Nikon.No but I looked into it and didn't make sense for me. For one I'm really happy with the S5 and don't really need anything more for now. 2nd, I have a very heavy investment in F mount glass, Nikkors, Zeiss, Hasselblads, etc., that I collected over the years and many of which I really like. Sony's main allure was the Zeiss AF lenses until I found out that there aren't any primes besides the 135mm yet, so no more temptation. Bottom line, as far 35mm is concerned the S5 is still THE camera for me, even medium format hasn't changed that. I'm not a pixel peeper and only do that when the images aren't right for me and thats what I did with the the D3 and the Sigma so they're gone, I'm seeing too much of that going on with the Sony too. High MP count isn't a substitute for tonal depth and range, maybe I'll bite if I find another dslr that beats the S5 in that department...
Thanks for the info Mark, as I mentioned the mp count isn't really important to me but your comment regarding tonal range and DR is. I have to see what they have in the wide range since I rarely go above 35mm now and don't like to use zooms.There is also a Zeiss AF 85/1.4 Prime, and it has been offered for some time. Some of the Sony G series lenses are stellar optics ... for example my 70-200/2.8G APO visibly outperforms my Nikon 70-200/2.8VR as well as the Canon 70-200/2.8IS I had prior to the Nikon.
The A900 is pretty new on the scene and needs to be further explored ... but one thing I've already taken note of that goes completely counter to your statement concerning tonal depth and range ... the various DR settings available on the A900 are astounding .... and I've not seen ANY current 35mm digital camera that can match it for versatility in different lighting conditions. Plus, it's full frame and 25 meg. I wouldn't put very much stock in some of the images posted from the A900 quite yet ... it takes awhile to get the most from something this new.
I see the D3's appeal for you and many others, in my case speed isn't an issue, well, unless I'm running after our 3 year old. I have all the ZF lenses and still couldn't get the D3 to sing. More than anything I wanted it to work for its wonderful view finder, that makes a huge difference in my case since I use mf lenses almost exclusively and my eyesight isn't what it used to be.The D3 is a work horse, and the images from the big pixel captures are excellent for applications like event and sports coverage ... where a Fuji or Sony would be to slow... and in my case shooting weddings not secure enough due to only single CF card capture. My D3 images haven't left me cold, they just needed zeroing in the custom settings in post. Nice stuff from it when using a Zeiss 110/2FE or my 250/4FE or Zeiss ZF 50/2 macro and ZF 28/2.
BobThe files never looked that good to me, just boring.
I am not terribly sure if it was lens related, or AA filter related, but I think that I have been spoiled by the M8 and the Phase P45+.
I want files to sing with detail and sharpness, or at least I would prefer to be in control. With the D3 it was just not really there.
Some of the samples I have seen of the D3X are encouraging, but I am being a bit cautious now after the D3 experience. From the D3X samples I have seen, it could be that the issues were AA related, but before sinking that much for yet another new body, I would like to see a few good raw files before taking the jump.
I did like the ergonomics, however, everything important that I needed mid-shoot was at my fingertips.
was were your findings?
thanks
-bob
Rob:Hell, none of the local shops even carry the D3 - too high end for the market.
Mark would you say that Andree's results in this thread are typical of A900's tonal depth and range?The A900 is pretty new on the scene and needs to be further explored ... but one thing I've already taken note of that goes completely counter to your statement concerning tonal depth and range ... the various DR settings available on the A900 are astounding .... and I've not seen ANY current 35mm digital camera that can match it for versatility in different lighting conditions.
Atlantic Photo is a Nikon Pro dealer, so as part of that level of dealership they will stock the top pro body, if stock can be had. As I said about the D3, they didn't sit on the shelves, just sold like hotcakes. I also bought all my new Leica bodies there with the exception of the M8.Hey Robert,
Haven't tried APS, but last time I was in there they had bupkus (sic) in stock (wasn't in shopping mode, anyway...). .