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I am not very active here but I read all these with much interest. It is good we are discussing this out, not behind closed door. I am sure at the end, we will come out with a method that is tailored for this forum.
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If that's directed at my posting you'll have to explain it because I don't get what you're trying to say.:deadhorse:
I was going to chip in here, but you've said everything I think needs saying. If someone wants to sell a noctilux for $50,000, that's up to them . . . if someone wants to buy it . . . that's up to them - neither of these issues are problems for those of use who don't want to do these things!You know what, if someone is going to buy a lens costing more than $5K and doesn't do their homework to understand pricing and understanding supply demand perhaps that is their own problem.
In addition, nobody knows what the final selling prices of these lenses turns out to be. Asking price is one thing. The negotiation that happens through PM's is not public. So, we really don't know what prices are actually being paid for these lenses.
Finally, the best way to reform the sellers trying to make a "stupid" amount of profit is to ignore them. They will either drop the price or go elsewhere.
Jono- this isn't directed at you but since you referred to the Noctilux.... this whole thread the only thing that keeps popping into my mind are the f1 Nocti's that the early M8 adopters got with their with 30% off coupons. :wtf:I was going to chip in here, but you've said everything I think needs saying. If someone wants to sell a noctilux for $50,000, that's up to them . . . if someone wants to buy it . . . that's up to them - neither of these issues are problems for those of use who don't want to do these things!
tell me about it... and even many of the non-mods have been pretty harsh about any questioning going on... even in the spirit of good member relations. I only want for the site's friendly and helpful demeanor to remain as it has in the other sub-forums. The overall attitude of the majority of this thread seems woefully out of place on this site.The whole 'hands off' approach being maintained seemed to clash with the seemingly harsh reaction to any questioning of the policy
I'm going back to the beach :salute:tell me about it... and even many of the non-mods have been pretty harsh about any questioning going on... even in the spirit of good member relations. I only want for the site's friendly and helpful demeanor to remain as it has in the other sub-forums. The overall attitude of the majority of this thread seems woefully out of place on this site.
That said... I DO feel the mods do a great job at what has got to be a difficult task.
Oh well... back to cleaning the office.
Guy,In our defense we don't read every thread and every post and there are 5 of us on hand. If you want a friendly safe place please help us and report these scams or under handed folks. We do need your help. This week alone Jack is in Ireland, Guy is in San Diego trying to have a vacation. Lol
Bob is usually on a flight to somewhere as well as Terry and poor Cindy could be left with handling the whole place and she lives in 3 parts of the country. Not the case on some of this but help us help you.
We don't sleep.....seriouslyGuy,
Your Mods (and Jack and you) do an excellent job. I can't help but notice that all 5 of you live in the same continent so wouldn't it help you to have some Mods from other continents to spread the load and maybe help with differing time zones and customs? For example, who's looking after the shop when you're all tucked up in bed? [For the avoidance of doubt this is not a subtle way of offering my services.:toocool:]
Pete.
I got a WATE - it cost me €1300 :ROTFL: (I still have it)Jono- this isn't directed at you but since you referred to the Noctilux.... this whole thread the only thing that keeps popping into my mind are the f1 Nocti's that the early M8 adopters got with their with 30% off coupons. :wtf:
Certainly I expect to lose money on my digital camera purchases (and I do, although not the same percentage as cars!).I used the term so I will explain. I was NOT talking stupid vs intelligent. I was talking a rate of return on your gear that is above and beyond what any normal investment would make.
You buy a car you expect for most of them to depreciate in value.
You buy a computer and newer models get faster and yours depreciates.
You buy an index funds of stocks you expect it to return a profit over time based on earnings
You buy a digital camera and you expect over time that it will depreciate.
You buy a Leica lens and in the darker days before the M8 came out you probably held your own on value and the were worth the same a little more or a little less.
Now the M9 comes out and buying lenses is leading to profits way above and beyond what one can reasonably expect from that sort of purchase.
That Is what I was calling a stupid profit.