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The M8 news and subsequent furore (TGINAO :salute must surely bode well for the R10 when it arrives. IMHO how could Leica not take the same revolutionary(?) approach?
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I'm thinking the same thingThe M8 news and subsequent furore (TGINAO :salute must surely bode well for the R10 when it arrives. IMHO how could Leica not take the same revolutionary(?) approach?
The rumor on the Leica users forum is that the R10 will represent a paradigm shift in SLR cameras, so designs might not be as set as they seem....the SLR/DSLR body design is pretty set, and has been for many years...LJ
Fair enough, Doug. I was thinking more about overall form factor. There have been some attempts to alter the squarish box with the viewfinder somewhere on top, and generally held with two hands, plus having a hole to mount the lens on the front, but most have not been all that successful. If it remains a true single lens reflex design, there does not seem to be a whole lot of room to move things around all that much. A paradigm shift would be interesting to see. I have not followed the LUF lately on the R10 ideas, so not sure what folks are talking about.The rumor on the Leica users forum is that the R10 will represent a paradigm shift in SLR cameras, so designs might not be as set as they seem.
The idea of an R10 with an upgrade path is intriguing but the important thing is to get the basic form of the box really nice as a start (comfort, ergonomic, simple). Swapping out parts as an upgrade over the years may be of great benefit for customer satisfaction. I am looking forward to photokina!In the end, it is still going to be some kind of box with a hole for the lens to mount, some sort of mirror box and viewfinder . . . .
O.K., and it might be semantics, but a sensor format/size change to me is not a paradigm shift like film to digital was. I was thinking about what major approach would be different from the SLR build concept that now exists. The introduction of 2.0x, 1.6x, 1.5x, 1.3x and any other sizes are not changing the "rules" and concepts about the camera, only the format for collecting the light.The paradigm shift that some people expect is a move away from either 3x2 or even 4x3 to something like a 4x4 ratio sensor. You wouldn't need all those alternative shutter releases as on the DMR for starters (but aren't they darned useful!)
The next shift for a pure Leica would be to auto-focus with the ability to use retro R lenses for focus confirmation. All plus, plus features.
Now THAT may be a paradigm shift.....especially for LeicaI wonder if they plan to offer a trade in for DMR owners...
My fantasy is mirror box options so that I don't have to accept AF in order to use a full-frame digital Leica. An AF mirror box for those who want it, an SL mirror box for those who prefer this viewfinder. User swappable.What sorts of things are folks thinking about that moves markedly away from these sorts of physical constraints?
Yup. Leica has hinted at this.What do the latest rumors say WRT sensor size? Any chance for an oversized sensor?
It's the viewfinder I get attached to (or would like to upgrade). I'd be as happy as a clam in the mud if I could swap an SL-type viewfinder into the R8 or put the DMR back on the SL. Others might be as attached to a particular body's ergonomic design as I am to the viewfinder. IMHO a highly modularized camera could satisfy a lot more users than the take-it-or-leave-it single unit designs we now have available.what? 90% of the cost of a camera is in the bought in chip - the notion 'upgradeable' is a marketing ploy to satisfy those who get attached to a particular ..umm what ??..aluminuim plastic covered body?
What would really be a "shift" would be a Leica R AF body .... not lenses!!! A streamlined, modern version of the Contax AX using today's technology to accomplish it in less space. Then all the existing lenses would be "upgraded" toThe paradigm shift that some people expect is a move away from either 3x2 or even 4x3 to something like a 4x4 ratio sensor. You wouldn't need all those alternative shutter releases as on the DMR for starters (but aren't they darned useful!)
The next shift for a pure Leica would be to auto-focus with the ability to use retro R lenses for focus confirmation. All plus, plus features.
Yes Doug, this modular concept was also discussed on the LUF; one risk would be an offer of components which would be too broad, e.g. the consumer could get lost while trying to set its R10 à la carte.My fantasy is mirror box options so that I don't have to accept AF in order to use a full-frame digital Leica. An AF mirror box for those who want it, an SL mirror box for those who prefer this viewfinder. User swappable.
A modular camera:
mirror box/lens mount/viewfinder
shutter
sensor back/electronics
power source/card slot
all upgradeable or swappable by the user