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    Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Just thought I'd kick things off. I rented the Monochrom from LensRentals.com.

    I think this camera is astonishing in the detail and tonal range it captures. These are simple screen grabs from Lightroom. Minimal sharpening applied, that's all.

    Full frame and 100% crop. f/5.6
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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Here's another shot. Not artistic but look at the detail! Again, full frame and 100% crop. f/5.6
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    again. f/5.6
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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Wow....I had no idea a Leica Monochrom was available for rent. I don't have any Leica M lenses, but I'm keen to give this camera a try. Thanks for starting this thread Brad! I will be contacting LensRentals in the future (for the first time).

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    That certainly is impressive.

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    To me the most impressive thing is the histogram (when shooting in DNG) which is divided into 11 sections with the graduations corresponding to a 1EV difference in brightness. I just love how it stretches the entire width of the image.

    The division of the DNG histogram is comparable to the zone system that was (is) used in analog B&W photography.

    Now how to best use it?

    Are OOC jpegs worth showing here?
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    Here are some shots from yesterday! These have been cross posted, in the M thread, so I do apologize.

    Algrove, yes it would interesting to see Jpegs OOC, with in camera adjustments, as I think the results are very encouraging and interesting. The results from the Lensrental review were very interesting in this respect. The DNG histogram is very interesting, and obviously a lot of thought went into designing this.

    Shots with the 50 Nocti f/1.0 @ f/1.2
    10,000 ISO. Fine noise, but can be easily reduced if needed.



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    What I love about the monochrom is how clean images under monochromatic light (red or blue) are.
    Dancer is under blue light, see how clean the image is in full size (http://goo.gl/oFLWS).
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    So here's few trys on my part. Not great just better contrast scenes. These are OOC jpegs with all settings at default.
    Attachment 63255 Sorry for the 90 degrees off. Have to figure out how to correct this.

    Attachment 63256

    Attachment 63257

    I am rushing out right now but will get the exif data later.

    I have now taken maybe 250 shots and many are just trying different exposures of the same image.

    Remember these are OOC jpegs with no adjustments-all default settings.
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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Quote Originally Posted by riclib View Post

    What I love about the monochrom is how clean images under monochromatic light (red or blue) are.
    Dancer is under blue light, see how clean the image is in full size (http://goo.gl/oFLWS).
    Rather unusual example but the most effective (in favor of the monochrome sensor) I have seen to date!

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    Quote Originally Posted by riclib View Post

    What I love about the monochrom is how clean images under monochromatic light (red or blue) are.
    Dancer is under blue light, see how clean the image is in full size (http://goo.gl/oFLWS).
    I'm particulary impressed by the entire area produced behind the elongated spotlight and the tonality chosen for this particular image. Extremely effective!

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    Quote Originally Posted by riclib View Post

    What I love about the monochrom is how clean images under monochromatic light (red or blue) are.
    Dancer is under blue light, see how clean the image is in full size (http://goo.gl/oFLWS).
    Absolutely one of the very best MM images to date. The extreme lighting conditions that were managed in this image, combined with the detail and tonality rendered are a testament to both the photographer and the camera. Bravo.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Thanks, Brad, for starting this thread.


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    28mm chron with orange filter. The camera over samples this lens in the outer 20% of the frame or so.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    shades of grey

    many more on my flickr (incl. screen shots of LR 4.1 and Nik Silver Efex2 and full size images)

    My first impressions of the MM after 2 weeks are here at the.me
    and three RAW DGNs for download and comparison between M9 and MM here at the.me

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    Leica M Monochrom, Leica Apo Summicron 75mm/2.0
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    Leica M9 Monochrom, Summilux 35/1.4 FLE


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    Overall, the exposure looks very nice. The clipped highlight is typical of what I have been seeing. I have no issue that it is clipped/blown, but the harshness of the tonal transitions at the boundaries is what concerns me.

    Can you elaborate on how this image was metered?
    Did you consider the light when metering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiritshooter View Post
    I have no issue that it is clipped/blown, but the harshness of the tonal transitions at the boundaries is what concerns

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    The boundaries of certain tonal transitions has also been a concern of mine and I've seen it manifest itself in a number a ways in certain images. On occasion it looks like it does in the image Mike seleted, other times almost appears as though that part of the image is a cutout, when the blown area is against a very dark deep rich black. There will always be tradeoffs and anomolies when dealing with digital and for the most part, I have been extremely impressed at most image aspects of this (the monochrom) camera.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Quote Originally Posted by Spiritshooter View Post
    Overall, the exposure looks very nice. The clipped highlight is typical of what I have been seeing. I have no issue that it is clipped/blown, but the harshness of the tonal transitions at the boundaries is what concerns me.

    Can you elaborate on how this image was metered?
    Did you consider the light when metering?

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    It's specular reflection from a shinny lighting fixture. The correct approach would have been to change the angle of the lamp slightly to eliminate the reflection.

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    It's specular reflection from a shinny lighting fixture. The correct approach would have been to change the angle of the lamp slightly to eliminate the reflection.
    In a posed photo maybe so...but really?

    Life is full of compromises .... very compelling photo in spite of the 1% specular reflection...lets get a grip on reality here....

    I personally would not change a thing...has anyone here looked at the old HCB or Saul Leiter photos? full of little vexing things which mirror our personal existence.

    My opinion....nice photo ...never saw the "clipped highlight"...guess I was too busy thinking about the context.

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    Woody, very nice shots!
    Riclib, love the setting of your low light shot
    Dierk, nice series and blog!!

    Shots from yesterday near Natural Bridge with M-M, 24 Lux and LR4





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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Did you guys experiment with filter on the MM?
    light yellow vs yellow vs dark yellow?
    yellow-orange vs light red?
    I think I would want either light yellow and yellow-orange or yellow and light-red.
    I am afraid normal red to be to extreme for my taste.
    Thanks for any insights, ´Tom

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    Hi Tom,
    I am still waiting for my filters My favourites with B&W film, was the red and orange, as it gave interesting contrast with the clouds in landscapes/seascapes. If it is too extreme, with the raw file it can be toned down in PP, but at least the information has been captured.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlesK View Post
    Woody, very nice shots!
    Riclib, love the setting of your low light shot
    Dierk, nice series and blog!!

    Shots from yesterday near Natural Bridge with M-M, 24 Lux and LR4
    These are lovely, I especially like the toning. How did you accomplish this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlesK View Post
    Hi Tom,
    I am still waiting for my filters My favourites with B&W film, was the red and orange, as it gave interesting contrast with the clouds in landscapes/seascapes. If it is too extreme, with the raw file it can be toned down in PP, but at least the information has been captured.
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    I have only tried yellow so far and think got landscape a little sky "darkening"/contrast couldnt hurt.
    On the other side I dont want to change filters all the time and yellow might work better if people are in the image/street images.
    I have ordered also a "yellow-orange", see how that works and then decide if I (probably) might add a light red filter as well.
    I plan to work on my b&w knowledge "step-by step" and keep it simple.
    Regards, Tom

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    MM plus f.95 Nocti at f.95 and iso 1250.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    Did you guys experiment with filter on the MM?
    light yellow vs yellow vs dark yellow?
    yellow-orange vs light red?
    I think I would want either light yellow and yellow-orange or yellow and light-red.
    I am afraid normal red to be to extreme for my taste.
    Thanks for any insights, ´Tom
    I used an orange yellow filter on the tree shot above. I am sure it got overlooked (as could have happened to many others) due to dancer shot and I cannot blame any of you. It (the dancer) is a great shot with interesting subject to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    I used an orange yellow filter on the tree shot above. I am sure it got overlooked (as could have happened to many others) due to dancer shot and I cannot blame any of you. It (the dancer) is a great shot with interesting subject to say the least.
    And I thought you were trying to spur our interest by laying the tree down ala "the dancer shot!"

    I prefer the tree, by the way....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    MM plus f.95 Nocti at f.95 and iso 1250.

    Great shot Woody.
    I am a "fan" of "group-images" since they often show the spirit of a come together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    And I thought you were trying to spur our interest by laying the tree down ala "the dancer shot!"

    I prefer the tree, by the way....

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    MM + 50mm DR chron + orange filter. 3 frames stitched:

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Same setup

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    MM + dr chron no filter

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    In the land of Leica a la Bavaria. Yes, the bier was good too.

    Attachment 63412

    ISO 6400 35/1.4 FLE @1.4 1/250

    P.S. Sorry for the small size. By the way this is OOC Jpeg without any PP so far, but did use B+W 022 Yellow filter.
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    One more comment--



    If I were to PP this image the first thing I would do would be to crop the top out, but remember this is OOC jpeg without touching it,i.e., no in camera adjustments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    If I were to PP this image the first thing I would do would be to crop the top out, but remember this is OOC jpeg without touching it,i.e., no in camera adjustments.
    Great shot Lou, but the image size is so small here it's really difficult to see any details. Try resizing your jpegs to have a long edge around 1000 pixels and they will show up much better. Love the composition, and agree about the crop, although it doesn't have to happen in post!

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    Thanks Stephen-

    When I double click the image preview comes up and then I hit tools/resize (since it is huge in size) and put the longest dimension to 1200 pixels as this site allows. So as not to destroy the original I then "duplicate" the image and hit plus to increase the size to the maximum size of the image box, then save it with a new name.

    Here this gives me the size you see but on the LUF it gives me a much bigger size. I must be doing something wrong. Iam trying not to use LR3 which is on this computer as I will get a 13" something with like 16GB which should then last me longer than this one.

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    algrove, maybe you need to change the dpi from 240 to 72, in addition to changing the pixel dimensions
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    MM-with Nocti 0.95
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    Congratulations Tom!
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    Quote Originally Posted by erudolph View Post
    algrove, maybe you need to change the dpi from 240 to 72, in addition to changing the pixel dimensions
    Thanks I will try this.
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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Has anyone attempted to do tri-color photography with MM just for fun? It would be great to see what a color composite would look like.

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    I wondered how it would behave with an older, uncoated lens. One straight out of the camera, with the Rigid 50 Summicron.
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    Thanks I will try this.
    Bear in mind that 1200 long side works great for landscape but 850 to 900 in portrait orientation allows viewing without panning on most monitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    I wondered how it would behave with an older, uncoated lens. One straight out of the camera, with the Rigid 50 Summicron.
    Lloyd: Nice! I've been looking for a good copy of that lens.

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    It's a great one, Matt. I like it better than the current (less the new ASPH) version. Mine is not "tabbed", which makes it a bit slower to focus, but only very slightly so.

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    Tom, congrats on the new M-M
    Lloyd, beautiful tones and sharpness! Great lens. I do feel that there is magic in a lot of the older lenses. This may well be the answer to some of the abrupt transition with burnt out highlights
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