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    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    Nice work, biglouis, really.
    +1, I love these sorts of shots and they do look superb.

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    amazing pictures in this thread! congrats all!!!!!

    I'm Street Photographer I already have Fuji but the quality of DP2 is amazing really, the question is.... how about high ISO? 1.600? Someone have experience DP2 at high ISO?

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    Hello Ricardo,

    The DP2m is absolutely usable at high ISO but, from 800 ISO you should switch in B&W to avoid Chroma problems. Here is a backstage @ 1000 ISO, Exifs inside.



    And the crop to show what you can expect at 100%

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    The Marshes of Glynn, southeastern Georgia, US. This picture is almost untouched in post...just a tiny bit of contrast added.

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    Thank you Hulyss Bowman really a very nice shot! I shoot only BW... so this is not a problem at all. Did you use the optical viewfinder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricardsonwilliams View Post
    Thank you Hulyss Bowman really a very nice shot! I shoot only BW... so this is not a problem at all. Did you use the optical viewfinder?
    I never use optical view finder on compact camera. I'm a Nikon FX user and this is the only VF I want in my life (with the S2 vf).

    My point is, for street photography and hyperfocal, this is not a problem. The real problem with VF come when you need critical focus at a certain area of the frame AND!!!!! while I speak to you, I just gor an idea

    Why not SIGMA do not build an Optical View Finder with hologram projection of the current af selection (transmitted by the hot shoe) ?? I hate EVF they are fugly and I'm close to be sick each time I look in one.

    Anyone know this : Reflex Sights*- Docter
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    Fine pics with good leading lines, BigLouis

    Would "Church open daily" not benefit from a tiny bit exposure down ?
    (11th Century Saxon Church,St Hubert's in the field at Idsworth)

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    I have just received the camera, and has only had time for some few test shot:

    I have read here, that it is mandatory to shoot with overexposure + o.3 or+ 0.7,("the sensor need light") and then later set i down in PP, and some - at the same time - recommend to shoot with spot or center W., ......NOT Matrix.

    What do you use Quentin ?

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    Hi Hulyss welcome here, seen your photos before
    (Tired of all the whining on the FM forum? )

    From the " Mager brug '' across the Amstel river. A view on the Town hall and Music Theater and on the right The Museum Hermitage.

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    And from the other side of the same bridge looking at the Carré theater.

    Michiel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyndel View Post
    Fine pics with good leading lines, BigLouis

    Would "Church open daily" not benefit from a tiny bit exposure down ?
    (11th Century Saxon Church,St Hubert's in the field at Idsworth)
    Thanks, Kyndel, Sapphie, Kit et al.

    Kyndel, here is the 100% crop of the "Church open daily" without further processing. I think the exposure is fine. And remember, you have to get up early to get the post on a Saturday - although aparently you can get a post up to 6:30pm at the Waterlooville Delivery Office during the week.



    I've said it before and I'll say it again - the detail up to 100% on this camera is freakingly good! especially considering this was handheld at f5.6 and this is the edge of the frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Thanks, Kyndel, Sapphie, Kit et al.

    Kyndel, here is the 100% crop of the "Church open daily" without further processing. I think the exposure is fine. And remember, you have to get up early to get the post on a Saturday - although aparently you can get a post up to 6:30pm at the Waterlooville Delivery Office during the week.



    I've said it before and I'll say it again - the detail up to 100% on this camera is freakingly good! especially considering this was handheld at f5.6 and this is the edge of the frame.
    Perhaps you are right - I wrote it after looking at the whole picture (1399).

    Another thing: Most here recommend to shoot Center W. metering - do you use that ?

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    >Would "Church open daily" not benefit from a tiny bit exposure down ?

    I would tune highlights slightly down in Lightroom. Of course a matter of personal taste.
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    A few from a frigid walk up Fall Creek gorge to Ithaca Falls. I used a small tripod, to stabilize both the DP2M and for myself as a walking stick going up the icy trail. These are all two shot stitches.









    This is a full size original image with good detail in the gorge wall.

    Last edited by scho; 4th February 2013 at 18:05. Reason: add image
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    Carl your a brave man going there this time of year........ everything is ice covered and slippery and a fall can be a long fall. Down this way they close off access to some of our area falls because it is so dangerous to walk to them.

    Very nice shots....

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by Hulyss Bowman View Post
    Hello Ricardo,

    The DP2m is absolutely usable at high ISO but, from 800 ISO you should switch in B&W to avoid Chroma problems. Here is a backstage @ 1000 ISO, Exifs inside.



    And the crop to show what you can expect at 100%

    very, very beautiful done! very nice way the grainy look render. Thanks for adding aspects to the Merril
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DE View Post
    Carl your a brave man going there this time of year........ everything is ice covered and slippery and a fall can be a long fall. Down this way they close off access to some of our area falls because it is so dangerous to walk to them.

    Very nice shots....
    Thanks Jim. This is one of two area gorge trails that remain open all year, the rest are closed from late Nov to early May. The only real danger here is to make sure you are not walking on an ice shelf of unknown thickness down at stream level near the falls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorkil View Post
    very, very beautiful done! very nice way the grainy look render. Thanks for adding aspects to the Merril
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    +1. Very nice B&W processing. I like the fine grain film look with low contrast.
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    Thank you guys. Then, it come to my mind that the numerous Samples out of the future new SPP monochrome are not that cool, after all : SIGMA Monochrome - a set on Flickr

    The grain in the above photo is camera grain at 1000 ISO (and you can push further just below 1600). For someone who master curves and B&W, I don't think this new SPP will bring THAT much in our work-flow. I'm probably wrong so just wait and see. So far, I prefer the natural grain of the camera and I push you to test it.
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    Are the raw files for the Merrill's the same type as the original DP1? I ask because I was playing with some raw images off my old DP1 yesterday and I'm able to open them directly in photoshop (Elements 11 on a Mac in my case). So SPP isn't required for those files. Would the Merrill files also open directly in the Adobe RAW processor?

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by snowy View Post
    Are the raw files for the Merrill's the same type as the original DP1? I ask because I was playing with some raw images off my old DP1 yesterday and I'm able to open them directly in photoshop (Elements 11 on a Mac in my case). So SPP isn't required for those files. Would the Merrill files also open directly in the Adobe RAW processor?
    They probably are. Interesting that you can open those RAW's directly. I didn't know that. Bridge (CS6) doesn't recognise Sigma RAW files and I can't open them.
    But why wouldn't you want to use SPP for it? It is especially designed for it and does something to the files no other program probably can.
    It works well for me.

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    No, they're not. Different sensor, different processing.

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    The older Sigma cameras worked in LR but not DP2M.
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    My DP2m arrived today ..... everything I have seen as far as images here and else where and all the positive comments about DP2m are spot on. I did some of the obligatory test shots (I too have a single dust spot but only visible at f16 and I never shoot at that setting so it's a non issue for me as of right now) and was cut short due to battery power (which are currently charging for tonights outing).

    On my 27" MAC the images are eye hurting sharp and intensely detailed right from the get go in SPP (I dialed it back a bit). Use the info I acquired from a couple of our members with the color wheel and exposure setting and created a 16bit tiff. Took the TIFF file , < cough > 86mp each, and finessed them in Aperture for my final review. All I can say is WOW and thanks to all who have helped me on this quest. I am one happy camper!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    They probably are. Interesting that you can open those RAW's directly. I didn't know that. Bridge (CS6) doesn't recognise Sigma RAW files and I can't open them.
    But why wouldn't you want to use SPP for it? It is especially designed for it and does something to the files no other program probably can.
    It works well for me.

    Michiel
    I found SPP very frustrating with extremely slow response and frequent crashes, so using ACR to open them is much easier! But if SPP is the only way of doing some of the processing I suppose I'd better persevere with it!

    The files on my old DP1 are still X3F - is that not what the Merrills use? I guess I'll find out when I eventually can afford to buy one

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowy View Post
    I found SPP very frustrating with extremely slow response and frequent crashes, so using ACR to open them is much easier! But if SPP is the only way of doing some of the processing I suppose I'd better persevere with it!

    The files on my old DP1 are still X3F - is that not what the Merrills use? I guess I'll find out when I eventually can afford to buy one

    Simon.
    The Merrill's also use X3F, but the way the RAW data needs to be processed is not currently supported by Adobe. The more people that write to Adobe and ask for such support, the sooner it may happen...

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by snowy View Post
    I found SPP very frustrating with extremely slow response and frequent crashes, so using ACR to open them is much easier! But if SPP is the only way of doing some of the processing I suppose I'd better persevere with it!

    The files on my old DP1 are still X3F - is that not what the Merrills use? I guess I'll find out when I eventually can afford to buy one

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    I think the crashing is solved now. At least it doesn't happen anymore on my computer since that I downloaded the latest version.
    Magnify is a little slow but for the rest it is oké, I think. I don't think SPP is that bad. In fact once you get used to it, for me, it is a rather fast proces to get the files to the point that I like them.
    It takes some exercise.

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    I can get used to this....
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    I can get used to this....
    Very nice and perfect subject for the Merrill. Congrats for the new DP2M.
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    Thanks Carl..... yeah I found this structure on a old military base today and it was like finding a pot of gold for the Merrell



    I find it is very easy to get a tonemapped look with these files in SPP...... I am not a fan of tonemapped images so I have to remember LESS is BEST in SPP . Today I ended up using Auto and then moving WB to neutral (I am going to set my camera to that instead of landscape from now on) and the color wheel to halfway to 0300. Then cut and ran by half sizing a 16bit tiff as the output and finessed it in Capture One.
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    Yes the DP2M has renewed photographer's love of gritty things and peeling paint.

    Auto WB is terrible in my experience with the DP2M. Set it to daylight in daylight and it's quite good. Likewise in the studio.
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    Kirk, True enough but I also think the DP2m makes the photographer look deeper into his surroundings and transition more deliberately from one subject to the other compared to a dslr and a backpack full of glass.

    I have been using my NEX7 essentially as a fixed lens camera for the past year or so so this part of the move to a DP2m I am already comfortable with and it was painless.

    Like every camera it will take time, shutter actuations, and hours in SPP to know the idiosyncrasies of this camera and software. One thing I am sure of is with resolution like this once I get these learning issues put to bed I will have a tool I can work with. I bought it for one purpose only: that is as a light weight scenic camera. I will always use it supported on a lightweight tripod and will continue to use filters. All this fits in and on a very small doctors bag style case with a shoulder strap with a overall weight that is exceptionally light.

    I have several other camera systems I use for other specific purposes when needed so I went into this merrell purchase eye's wide open and use specifically defined. I see it this way... if Zeiss makes a wide angle that works great on my Nex7 in the near future its price will be more than what I paid for the DP2m and I feel I am getting better IQ right now than I do with the NEX7 and a 45mm CG lens (which is a exceptionally good piece of glass in it's own right).

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots



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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    What is the final verdict / judgment: Sigma DP1 M Vs. Sigma DP2 M here?

    More flare from M1, not so sharp corners Unless stopped down? a bit CA, ......is it that or ..... anything else?

    I ask because I am considering 1M too.

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Kyndel, I cannot speak intelligently about the DP1 but I am pretty sure after using my DP2m for a few days that the DP1m will definitely be a high on my list of potential next cameras in the future.

    As far as cards I have that same card in my DP2m and no issues to report on as yet.

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Thank you, Jim, good to hear - I could be addicted to this camera

    I am about to order the "normal" flash for this camera, but nobody seems to use it or write about it - Sigma EF-140 DG Shoe Mount Flash ?

    I can get my all my big Nikon SB flashes to work in manual mode, but not my small SB400 ?? and I will try this time to have a light combo as an alternative, so therefore I am interested in a small flash for the pocket

    Any experience ?

    (I have seen the flash thread, but this thread is about other flashes than the Sigma EF-140DG)

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

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    Not my general subject, but for the sharpness no cats but ducks:


    Shot in december, but still so bad weather here.
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Hi Everyone,
    Newby here... Just posting a few of my first shots from the DP2M. I'm loving the quality I get from this cam, and as far as workflow goes - it's great.
    It's like therapy for me to take pics, PP them, I mean the whole process just love it. I've been shooting this cam for just a week now, and the weather here (London) has not been in my favour - when its bright, I'm working and when I leave it's dark - but after a month or so I should put it more to use.
    My 5 year old has always been my test subject, and he's tired of it after seeing his dad change camera like every season...so I've just snapped away at the moment without thinking about composition or anything... just testing, but I like what I see.
    PP in SPP->Tiff to LR4->Silverefex Pro, Colourefex Pro and DXO Filmpack.
    CC & guidanace always appreciated. Thank you for viewing.

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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots - Morocco

    This link is to a two-row panorama shot of the interior of Al-Attarine Madrasa, Fes, Morocco, mono sepia conversion, taken using the DP2M, Pano head and tripod last November (I have a colour version as well). Warning: large jpeg file. It has been sharpened for print, so it may look a little over sharp on screen.

    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9806585/Att...a_QDB_Mono.jpg

    I will on some future date link to a fuller set of shots from this trip (I have posted one earlier already). Its a question if having the time. The tinted conversion was done using NIK Silver Effex Pro, then tweaked on Photoshop.

    The biggest problem taking this shot were other tourists....They of course had a perfect right to be there, but getting the rows of images without someones head in it was a challenge It took over two hours as a result to get the final image.

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    Hi Everyone,
    It has been a pleasure using the DP2M. I've not put it to much use as the weather's not been on my side (dark before I start work, dark when I leave) and the cameras still showing me the ropes... But from what I see, I really like it. I can put up with the quirks and slow operation - it rewards some great results.

    I've snapped a few of my 5 year old (he's always my test subject for camera testing - and he's had enough of it as his dad changes cameras like every season) Not taken any composiotion into consideration but just saw the light and snapped.

    Aperture Pri - Centre weigheted - PP in SPP->tiff to LR4->Colourefex Pro, Silverefex Pro, and a hint of Kodak Elite Colour 200 via DXO Filmpack on the colour ones.

    (SPP is PITA getting WB correct, the rest I have patience for)

    I love how black and white shapes with the images this sensor outputs (after PP). And now I'm only carrying the Fuji X10 and DP2M in my bag - hands down the 2 best cameras I've ever used...

    CC and advice / guidance always appreciated. 

    Thank you for viewing.
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyndel View Post
    Fine pics with good leading lines, BigLouis

    Would "Church open daily" not benefit from a tiny bit exposure down ?
    (11th Century Saxon Church,St Hubert's in the field at Idsworth)

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    I have just received the camera, and has only had time for some few test shot:

    I have read here, that it is mandatory to shoot with overexposure + o.3 or+ 0.7,("the sensor need light") and then later set i down in PP, and some - at the same time - recommend to shoot with spot or center W., ......NOT Matrix.

    What do you use Quentin ?
    Sorry missed the question...

    Usually I shoot 100iso +0.3 or +0.7 exposure compensation, matrix, or sometimes manual. Quite early on I discovered that some compensation was desirable and it is possible to recover a lot of highlight info. Many of my shots are taken using manual exposure and if using auto, then I will look at the histogram and may bracket. No one set of settings works in all situations, so I play it by eye on the day. For some reason I find the exposure marginally more accurate with the DP1M.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    Sorry missed the question...

    Usually I shoot 100iso +0.3 or +0.7 exposure compensation, matrix, or sometimes manual. Quite early on I discovered that some compensation was desirable and it is possible to recover a lot of highlight info. Many of my shots are taken using manual exposure and if using auto, then I will look at the histogram and may bracket. No one set of settings works in all situations, so I play it by eye on the day. For some reason I find the exposure marginally more accurate with the DP1M.
    Thank you Quentin

    - In the mean time I tryed some shots, but found out, that using Average metering (Center W) gave longer shutter time/slower (pardon my English) - longer/slower than Matrix, and it is not so fine, if you shoot handheld.

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    A few snaps from today's waterfront trail walk with the DP2M. Click images for full size originals.





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    Quote Originally Posted by W.Utsch View Post
    Not my general subject, but for the sharpness no cats but ducks:


    Shot in december, but still so bad weather here.
    I was going to say this is a good example of "hen pecking", but it appears to be a moulting drake doing the pecking or do I have this this mixed up?
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    Re: Sigma DP2 Merrill shots - Morocco

    Positively stunning! Thank you for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin_Bargate View Post
    This link is to a two-row panorama shot of the interior of Al-Attarine Madrasa, Fes, Morocco, mono sepia conversion, taken using the DP2M, Pano head and tripod last November (I have a colour version as well). Warning: large jpeg file. It has been sharpened for print, so it may look a little over sharp on screen.

    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9806585/Att...a_QDB_Mono.jpg

    I will on some future date link to a fuller set of shots from this trip (I have posted one earlier already). Its a question if having the time. The tinted conversion was done using NIK Silver Effex Pro, then tweaked on Photoshop.

    The biggest problem taking this shot were other tourists....They of course had a perfect right to be there, but getting the rows of images without someones head in it was a challenge It took over two hours as a result to get the final image.

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    Today's shot UV filter alone on the DP2m




    The specks in the water is ice.....
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    Finally a little sun on sunday:

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    Some low-light shots on my way to work this morning. Bit surprised to see snow come back again in London.



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    I am really getting to like this "lil black brick" even more than even I anticipated.

    I mounted a Franiec grip on it yesterday (what a nice guy to do business with .. I don't do PayPal and he worked with me to get this deal done) and it does give the body a better feel though I will be shooting with it on a very light tripod 99% of the time so grip is not really an issue for my shooting. I have a Manfrotto hotshoe cube level on it now but ordered some of those flat hotshot cover bubble levels to try on it (.30 USD ... I splurged for 3 ) to try and get rid of some bump issues that big square cube sitting on top the hotshoe sometimes creates while carrying it.

    I am sold on these Merrells and see a DP1m in my future .... thanks to all those who have helped me along the way with this and those who quietly tolerated my questions Hopefully I can start to contribute more to discussions about theses fine tools as my experience with them grows.
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