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    HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Ladies and Gentlemen - worlds first 11-24mm Shift and Tilt System
    over 130 degrees of Image angle diagonal, up to 15mm of shift and unseen Movements with a Superwideangle ZOOM !

    More to come soon.

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Beautiful Stefan.

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Wowsers!!!

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    So Stefan, what do you like more the Canon or the Nikon?

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Well the Nikon has a way to operate the aperture, but the Canon is a better lens,
    BUT at double the price.........
    The Nikon already does the job very well, the Canon does it outstanding !
    It is sharp to the corners already wide open in all focal length.
    The Nikon is of course some years older ,but has f2,8.
    the Canon is latest technology and probably the product of the year 2015
    I´m serious, this lens is a milestone, there isn´t even vignetting (better than the 17TS-E!) at 11 mm !!!
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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    How DO you operate the aperture in the Canon monster?

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Prestopped down. I have a viltrox adapter that can stop the lens down on the Sony body, remove it while its stopped down and use with the selected aperture.
    Not as big a nuisance as it sounds just set it to F9 or F11 and forget about it.

    and then there is this coming up - already some signs of 56 Mpix. My wallet is already itching:

    http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-d...apixel-sensor/
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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    I think it is best to have electrical connections like the metabones, vitorex etc adapters. I would find it a big hassle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    How DO you operate the aperture in the Canon monster?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs8Z2LyLaEo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Steib View Post
    Well the Nikon has a way to operate the aperture, but the Canon is a better lens,
    BUT at double the price.........
    The Nikon already does the job very well, the Canon does it outstanding !
    It is sharp to the corners already wide open in all focal length.
    The Nikon is of course some years older ,but has f2,8.
    the Canon is latest technology and probably the product of the year 2015
    I´m serious, this lens is a milestone, there isn´t even vignetting (better than the 17TS-E!) at 11 mm !!!
    Hi Stefan,

    Does Canon 11-24mm have mojo / micro-contrast [similar to Zeiss]?
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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I think it is best to have electrical connections like the metabones, vitorex etc adapters. I would find it a big hassle.
    Agreed that it SHOULD be fully integrated or at least as integrated as it can possibly be with the host body. If I had to own a Canon body to use the lens then I'd just use it on a Canon body or buy a 17 T/S instead more than likely.

    Just one opinion though. Looking forward to your test shots though.
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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    I've tried the pre-stop down trick using my Metabones adapter. It's a piece of cake. S K Grimes is making me a Canon mount lens board for my Arca. So, while always having the lens at f/9 is slightly annoying, the Arca will provide WAY more control than a TS-e does.

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    I would say this lens is on par with the best wideangles ever built - like the Distagon 15mm. Here is one shot (but not shifted), done with the Sony A7R and the 11-24mm at 11mm

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Hi Stefan
    That does sound interesting. You mention 15mm shift. That sounds pretty incredible on a 35mm system. Can you elaborate. What is the shift at say 11mm, 14mm, 16mm, 20mm, 24mm. Can you provide a price the setup?
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    Hi Stefan
    Would you happen to have any info on the shift amounts at lets say 11, 14, 20 and 24 mm. 15 mm sounds too good to be true not even the 17TSE got an image circle that supports that amount of shift.


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    HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Ladies and Gentlemen - worlds first 11-24mm Shift and Tilt System
    over 130 degrees of Image angle diagonal, up to 15mm of shift and unseen Movements with a Superwideangle ZOOM !

    More to come soon.

    Greetings from Germany
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enda Cavanagh View Post
    ...Can you provide a price the setup?
    Stefan,

    FYI. all your great product photos, and price list are gone from Final version: HCam Master TS 14-24mm thread.

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    Hi Rupho
    If you read Stefan's brief text it says UP TO 15mm. The shift on the 14-24mm Nikon is UP TO 10mm. It is FROM 4mm.
    If the Canon offers such a high shift or anywhere close through all of the focal ranges than I am very very interested but we need more info. That and the fact I could have rise/fall with shift for a panoramic would be fantaaaaboulous!!

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Hi Folks

    I am right now calculating the final prices and are preparing the product launch - this is a new Product, I can already say that the HCam Master TS is now version 2, modified for the 11-24mm Lens and some more improvements.

    I will do a table with the possible movements tomorrow and post here, on LL and on my FB hcam.de pages.

    So more tomorrow.

    I just checked and all the images are indeed gone on the Master TS 14-24mm Thread. Anyone of the admins has an explanation ?

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Hard to say Stefan, Bob has made major improvements to the site I mean major improvements. We did lose PMs and some other things. Bob may have more answers but nothing intentional from our end. Actually we are all quite interested in your development of these products. Maybe send Bob a PM and see if he has any answers. Losing any data from our end is something we want to avoid.
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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    As promised here fresh from the calculator the pricelist.

    One drawback - our eloxing will take longer than expected,
    we´ll have some delay from this, the final versions will be shipping in 4 weeks, I had expected these to be ready in 2, but .....that´s life.
    Tomorrow I´ll post a nice file with all the possible shifts on all focal lengths

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    So Stefan everything I see here ready to go outside the body of course is 4600 euro or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Steib View Post
    As promised here fresh from the calculator the pricelist.

    One drawback - our eloxing will take longer than expected,
    we´ll have some delay from this, the final versions will be shipping in 4 weeks, I had expected these to be ready in 2, but .....that´s life.
    Tomorrow I´ll post a nice file with all the possible shifts on all focal lengths

    Greetings from Germany
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    Thank you for updated price list.

    What is eloxing, please,
    and what was improved or added for version II of HCam Master TS?

    Also, I'm unclear about Hcam Novoflex TS Rail geared, with shift and tilt function of standard.
    I can see how it swings, but how does it tilt?

    Thank you,
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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    @Billy
    Eloxating is Black anodizing the surfaces. Unfortunately the people who run these services are filled up with work and as our parts are not exceeding the 1000 Pieces/job, we got shifted backwards as plenty other work came in.

    Version 2 is improved for usage with the 11-24mm. With the first version we had some vignetting that was not useful, so the opening of the unshifted adapter is now 3mm broader and 7mm !!! higher.
    That does a lot of more movements for all lenses, but especially for the 11-24mm this was essential.
    Further: this is the first of a new generation of TS adapters - it has an interchangable back bajonett mount, which will fit for Sony emount, Mft, Samsung NX, Fuji and Canon M.
    This alone is a big improvement, as this will allow dealers to get one TS adapter and some bajonetts and have all customers of evil cameras served.

    @Guy
    Yes that is the price. The Canon lens does have a full Canon International guarantee intact - as the rebuild is done by Canon Germany .
    We do this because this is the only way to keep the full quality of this amazing lens -plus- ensure the rebuild is done by specialists who are trained for this lens. That costs more, but I think at this level of quality we want to reach , that is the only way for full user satisfaction !

    More tomorrow

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Thank you again Stefan,

    Is there a standard zoom lens (35-70mm or thereabouts) that you can recommend
    that is exceptional at full shift/tilt of HCam Master TS II?

    Please don't reply Leica S 30-90mm

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Ok Jury - here are the results of the widest shift competition ever.
    I was a bit positively surprised but also bit negative.

    Test Conditions: evenly lighted white wall, lens set to infinity, stopped down to F11. For explanation the internal "hole" is not quite square so depending of how you rotate, you may either get to the smaller/shorter or the longer side. Thus I did the whole rotation 4x , horizontal and vertical and both in Landscape and Portrait mode. In theory there might be differing results if the adapter is rotated another 180 degrees, but that should be just a mirror of what I have documented here.

    The positive news: the maximum shift of up to 12mm is at 15mm !
    even at 14 mm focal length there is up to 10mm shift. That is more than I expected ! And this means NO vignetting in the corners. if you take some slight vignetting maybe because there is sky or stuff that can be stamped back with photoshop you can add another 2-3mm of shift !
    The sharpness is excellent even to the usable limits, I tried it with our focusing target and at full life view zoom, it´s tack sharp to the limits.
    Vignetting is a bit more but no problem to be removed in post.
    Even better: distortion is also no more than in the center. Focus is really flat, at f11 I was able to move the focusing target around and have even focus on the walls surface.

    Now for the negative news:
    There obviously is an additional lighttrap that is not visible when the lens is shifted at open aperture. But it will become more and more visible when you use it stopped down and it reaches to the longer focal length.
    This means from 16mm and longer the usable image circle stopped down is shrinking again to the value of the 11mm at wide start. so 24mm is pretty useless for all those who wanted to replace the TS-E 24mm with it.

    Even the 17mm TS-E may have its usage on the Master TS as this allows both TS-E lenses over 20mm of shift.

    So this solution is for the superwide specialists, nothing else can offer such an image angle from 11-16mm with up to 12mm of shift.
    Actually even the combination with our shaved Nikon AF-S 2,8/14-24mm G-ED may make sense as there the maximum movements are reached from 18-22mm.

    Next candidate to test will be the Tamron 2,8/15-30mm. I need to get this ASAP.
    Following the actual tests this should max at shifts of either 20 -25 (if the construction is like the Canon) or from 22-28mm if it is similar to the Nikon.
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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Hi Billy

    did you see that post in the other HCam master TS 14-24mm Thread ?

    http://www.getdpi.com/forum/636573-post173.html

    ".....I have a 645 Mamiya 55-110mm which I use for the longer range TS shots.
    As Jack said - works pretty good and even for a budget !

    Even shorter alternatives are the Pentax SMC FA 645 33 - 55mm F4.5 AL and the Pentax SMC A 645 Zoom 45-85mm f/4.5

    Both with a second Mirex MF to EOS adapter...."

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    I would probably have more interest in the Tammy 15-30 that covers a pretty nice focal length for me. Of course it sounds like you need to cut the hood off as well. Maybe not
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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Just when I was about to place an order for the older adapter, you come out with a newer version!

    All good, I guess I can wait 4 weeks

    Next up, Hcam master with electronic communication for Canon Eos lenses! That would be truly epic!

    I think the improvements are a great idea, especially the replaceable rear mounts..

    How much are these likely to be? Say for a Samsung mount?

    Thanks again. Will be looking to place an order once these new version II models are made

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    I can´t tell yet. But I expect these around 100 € each.
    We are right now finishing the adapters and it´s a bit early for this.

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    HCam Master TS V2 with Canon EF-L 4/11-24mm


    Attention - today at 9.56 am german time the gordian knot has been cut.
    I got the info from Canon how to remove the back Lighttrap and now we have full shift to the longer side:
    Maximum 15mm all around at 18mm focal length !!!
    at 19mm shift 14,5mm
    at 20mm shift 14mm
    at 21mm shift 13,5mm
    at 22mm shift 13mm
    at 23mm shuft 12,5mm
    at 24mm we still have 12mm(in Landscape!)

    - vertical full 15mm !!!

    all measured at F11 !

    A major breakthrough !!!

    Now we are ready to deliver the system.
    Even better: no additional costs for this second modification !
    The first final adapters will ship in 3 weeks.
    So if anyone needs one asap, he can order now, as we need to proceed the Canon 11-24mm also around 2-3 weeks until its back from ordering, cutting,shipping and final brushup.


    Hip Hip Hurra - Mission accomplished !
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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Rain is pouring here down like crazy, but I did some shots from my Balcony:

    even the corners full shifted at 18 or24mm focal length are tack sharp with f11. The focus scale on the lens points to something like a bit over 1 m to have best focus from there to infinity. Set and forget. Only thing you will have to do with this is set to manual exposure, and then change exposure time when you do a walktrough of a building/rooms/total view.

    The wet dream of an old viewcamera user like me.

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Is the rear gel filter holder gone? Can you show a picture of the rear, Stefan?

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    @Vivek
    yes the gel filter holder is completely gone - we have open space now from inner edge to edge of bajonett mount, with the electronic contacts protruding maybe 2-3 mm.

    Mount inside needs to be treated with black stuff/tape/similar now, but as the HCam Master TS is kind of it´s own lighttrap, no problem at all.

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Here´s a view to the Preliminary cover

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Whaouuuuuu
    That looks impressive!
    I may get one of This...but i née to check m'y bank first
    How about the distorsion? I know it can be correct after but i'd like to know what come out of the box with say 7mm of shift ?
    Dis you tryed the 24-70ii ? It xould make the perfect combo with This one...

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Hi DaF
    the Canon is nearly free of distortion ! About the same like the TS-E 17mm or 24mm.
    Even at 11mm there is not much vignetting and it is tack sharp all over nearly from open aperture. A fantastic lens and worth every penny ! I think this will become a revolution in architecture photography.
    About other lenses: I would think a 17-35mm would even match better.
    because then you will already have overcome the starting small image circle of 17mm at 21-22mm and will have the full range up to 35mm !

    Still: next try will be Tamron 15-30mm
    Promised !
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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Update: will have a brandnew 15-30 Tamron for Nikon(it has a little mechanical pin- so we will be able to use the aperture with the Novoflex Nikon G-ED->EOS adapter !!!) and a new version Canon 16-35mm either tomorrow or latest friday.

    Now the real fun starts.

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    I have the 16-35f4,
    There is not Much room for shift 3/4mm at both end and about 8mm shift at 22mm.
    Sharpness is pretty good at f8 from 16mmto28mm not good at 35mm.
    Lot of distorsion on all the range(but easly correctable on capture one) except at 24mm where it is almost free of distorsion.

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Hmm - yes I remember, but this is with the new V2 Hcam Master TS. Maybe that will improve it.
    And just for the research: I will have also access to a Nikon G-ED AF-S 2,8/17-35mm, Lets see how that will perform.

    BTW: just tested
    Sigma ART 1,4/50mm landscape vertical shift 15mm /f11 no vignetting
    Sigma ART 1,4/35mm landscape vertical shift 12mm /f11 no vignetting
    Sigma ART 1,4/24mm landscape vertical shift 7-8mm /f11 no vignetting

    Sigma ART 4/24-105mm landscape vertical shift only 2-3mm /f11 no vignetting, doesn´t improve on any focal range. I´d call this unusable for TS.

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Steib View Post
    Hmm - yes I remember, but this is with the new V2 Hcam Master TS. Maybe that will improve it.
    And just for the research: I will have also access to a Nikon G-ED AF-S 2,8/17-35mm, Lets see how that will perform.

    BTW: just tested
    Sigma ART 1,4/50mm landscape vertical shift 15mm /f11 no vignetting
    Sigma ART 1,4/35mm landscape vertical shift 12mm /f11 no vignetting
    Sigma ART 1,4/24mm landscape vertical shift 7-8mm /f11 no vignetting

    Sigma ART 4/24-105mm landscape vertical shift only 2-3mm /f11 no vignetting, doesn´t improve on any focal range. I´d call this unusable for TS.

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Certainly tempting but the bank took all its money out. Lol
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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Hi Enda
    there is a bit of field curvature on the outer areas of the image circle of 35mm and 50mm ART. But if you focus to something in the shifted corners it´s tack sharp.
    But As I said - it depends on the image if this is usable.

    There are so many effects to try and master with all these movements, all the lenses react different and it takes some time to understand all this.

    A whole new world on a 24x36 FF camera, actually this is the world of viewcameras and the neverending "Glass Story"..... :-)

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Enda,
    What I've seen from art lenses on IQ250 was not good in the corner...
    If you want to shift on a FF24x36... Ts lenses, medium format lenses or FF zoom lenses is the way to go ( zoom is really cool for stitching with hcam).

    But if you already have art serie then art serie +hcam+Sony a6000(apsc) allow you to stay in the sweet spot of the lens() with 60/70mpx output...cool, isn't it? But no rise/fall in addition...

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    I am right now working on a test of these 4 lenses for german "digit!" magazine.
    Overall - impressing ! Especially the make and finish is really good. The new 24mm is also really sharp for that focal length. We also have shot them on the new Canon 5Dsr, they hold up nicely.........
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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Thanks guys. I'm also intrigued to see how the new Batis lenses will perform. I am considering the Pentax 45-85mm. You suggested it earlier in your post. Stefan have you any first hand experience using it on the mirex. I have been holding out for Canon replacements of the 45 and 90mm lenses but that could be 2 for one and everything in between!!

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Here is a sample of the Sigma ART 1,4/35mm shifted about 12mm diagonal
    (I was a bit off center) with the HCam Master TS V2.
    The image is a bit cropped and I have straigtened it in Photoshop as it is very difficult sometimes to hit perfect angles when you want to go straight.
    But otherwise that´s what you get. The tower is a bit unsharp on top but that was close to the imagecircle´s border.
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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Hi Stefan, cool work with your new HCam!

    I also put my Sigma 35 an 50 Art lenses onto the FPS to see the image circles.
    Please check yourself the links to the full resolution files.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...1%2Bguides.jpg

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...1%2Bguides.jpg

    My findings at f11:

    50 Art: large total image circle, sharp image circle would allow about 6mm shift on short axis of 24x36mm sensor and about 4mm on long axis.

    35 Art: smaller total image circle and smaller sharp image circle allowing only about 4mm shift on short axis and about 2.5mm on long axis.

    IMO MF lenses with their larger sharp image circles like HB 50f4 FLE and Contax 645 35 are more useful in that focal range allowing full 15mm shifts on 24x36mm sensors.

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Chris, do you have any experience with the Contax 645 glass? I'd love to use that stuff for tilt/shift but the aperture control is electronic isn't it?

    I'm on a major hunt for the best 35mm and am considering either the Contax 35mm PC Distagon or the Pentax smc FA 645 35mm f/3.5.

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Ladies and Gentlemen

    @David - do you want to know how to get a full range TS Zoom beast from about 20-35mm ? Take your "disappointing" Canon 16-35mm, set the zoom to 35mm. Now go with two fingers inside the back of the lens. And then Pull !

    There is only a small piece of plastic as a cover which will come out easily, just clipped in (don´t loose it ! ).

    I just came home with the newest version of the V2 adapter and mounted this 16-35mm with the cover removed and now we have about the same result as with the 11-24mm.
    at 16mm there is only very few usable movement. but from 20 onward we now have PLENTY ! especially 24/28 and 35mm are a joy to use.

    I will do some test images tomorrow.
    It was an exciting day.

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    Re: HCam Master TS 11-24mm

    Am really looking forward to having a mini-techcam!

    I will be putting in an order once they are finished...

    One part of that process is having a "normal" lens that has some movements.. Most of my portraits taken with my 4x5 was with a 150mm..

    So the Sigma 50mm 1.4 Art is looking very good indeed

    Would be looking to use it close to wide open, so I think the useable image circle will be somewhat smaller but probably not by much...


    The other thing to remember and as "chrismuc" examples show, is that there is a big difference between "image circle" and "useable image circle"..

    While Stefan states that the

    "Sigma ART 1,4/50mm landscape vertical shift 15mm /f11 no vignetting"

    this is really not the case of sharp "useable image circle". As Chrismuc shows with the Sigma 50mm 1.4 Art, it is really more like "sharp image circle would allow about 6mm shift on short axis of 24x36mm sensor and about 4mm on long axis."

    So am wondering what other fast "standard" lens (40mm-55mm) could be a contender?

    I have a friends Leica R 50mm f2 that I will be able to test out when I receive the Hcam adapter..

    Stefan, do you have the Leica R 50mm 1.4 to test by any chance?

    What about the Zeiss 50mm 1.4?

    Any others that people can think of?

    All medium format lenses at this focal length are essentially pretty slow right?

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