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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Uwe,
    I like all three shots. I look forward to getting more details if you find a "magic HDR recipe".

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    In a thread on DPR on NEX vs EPL-1 the same conclusion I have been reaching about in camera metering has been observed. There are conditions under which the multi-metering mode seriously under exposes the image. I have found cases where I can not pull it up in LR to overcome the under exposure. In retrospect, when I was shooting I noticed that the display seemed dim but I didn't attribute it to under exposure as I should have. Now I set to center weighted. It still under exposes a bit in many circumstances but it is easy to correct in PP. I don't know if this was a change made in the new firmware in response to DPR's claim that it over exposed or if that was the way it always was. Even shooting an 18% grey card I can't repeat DPR's results.
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Yes, geared up is correct.....but gearing down is coming soon!
    Which gear is coming down though?

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Don't be starting a trend here, Terry!

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Which gear is coming down though?
    Probably the E-PL1 and a few lenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Don't be starting a trend here, Terry!
    You started it Vivek, by selling your Samsung.

    I'd like to downsize too, but I just don't know how to start!

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    You started it Vivek, by selling your Samsung.

    I'd like to downsize too, but I just don't know how to start!
    Correction, Jono.

    Attempting to sell my Samsung NX10. It is still open for sale.

    I will entertain any reasonable offers!

    (My 10 year old wants a small P&S cam. Even he is not impressed by a brand new NX10. )

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    Terry, you will sell the E-PL1? Is there any reason for doing that except the compatibility of Alpha-lenses with the NEX? I'm just a bit between the two cameras and don't know which to buy.

    And one question: Does the image quality alone justify an upgrade from an Canon IXUS 210? I like the design and also the menu as far as I can say, but I'm not really sure if it's worth the money for image quality. Test pictures help, but I can't make a clear decision without using the camera.

    Does iAuto work well enough to get better images than from most compacts?

    Thanks for your help! And sorry for my naive questions - everybody has to begin sometimes.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Poki - first, welcome to the forum!
    First up, the E-PL1 is a very good camera and in my opinion the best of the Olympus models so far. My decision to possibly sell it has more to do with all the gear I currently have and not the performance of that particular camera. If you saw the picture that spawned the comment, I have 5 small cameras. I use a Sony dslr and the little NEX can use those lenses. This appeals to me because it gives me a good back up on a long trip.

    The image quality on the Sony is very good. No complaints.

    But, the image qualilty on the E-PL1 is also excellent. The E-PL is part of a larger system so there are more lenses available for it right now. Not sure if this is a major concern or consideration.

    I beleive the auto mode on each camera is very good.

    In the same category of camera I own two Panasonic GF1's. One is normal and the the has been converted to shoot infrared.

    So, if i want to sell something it doesn't make sense for me to split up the pair of GF1's, the NEX solves my backup problem and the E-PL1 is the odd one out - but a very competent camera.

    Now for the harder part. Will they do better for you than the camera you are using now. Answer is probably but it depends on what you shoot and what you do with the photos. Outdoors/good lights/small prints or on computer screen you might say to your self "why did I make a change" but changing any of these will favor the bigger sensor camera. If you are really interested in Phootography and want to learn more these are excellent cameras. If you do want to learn about using more manual controls, I think the Sony (even if reviewers have ecomplained about the interface) is easier to learn. Olympus menus and sheer number of things you can customize gets a bit daunting.

    Bottom line is most cameras today are very, very good and you won't go wrong. If you have a chance to hold them and play with them, it is best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    UK1 - welcome to the forum and congratulations on your new kit! As you start to use the camera it would be great to hear your thoughts in moving from the smaller sensor p&s camera to the NEX.

    Terry
    I can't imagine that any enthusiast here would be interested but just completed my first day or so with the my two lens black kit - so in return for being the pivotal place for my decision to buy I thought I'd write a few lines of observations from a non-photographer viewpont.

    The camera largely replaces a Lumix DMC FX100 although I have previously owned SLR kits but never rwally mastered them. I've also bought the perspex screen cover (an outrageous 12 in the uk!) - a spare battery and I'm using class 10 Sandisk 16GB Extreme 30MBS Secure Digital SD Cards. My main use for the camera is that we travel extensively for pleasure - each year a trip to Oz and Singapore, several trips to Vienna and Cannes some cruises on several small cruise lines (Silversea and Seadream mostly for the small ports) and also take children pictures.

    I downloaded the instructions before the camera arrived (who ever reads the instructions once the toy is in the hands .... it's a bloke thing ....) and familiarised myself with it's basic philosophy and layout. It took me around half an hour of shooting all the different options with it to become reasonably familiar.

    My first reaction is that the camera is that it is simply stunning and it is totally perplexing how such a small camera can do so many things reasonably well. I find the GUI satisfactory although some bits seem illogical. I couldn't believe how small it was. Why for example isn't there a simple entry point for panorama so you could go say shoot mode>panorama>3d or normal>wide or normal> etc ....

    I think the main thing that emerges from my reading about other people's reactions is that a real photographer/enthusiast is looking for perfect pictures and any controls that are deeper within the camera that give him/her those improvements he wants them and wants them quickly. SLR's are covered with controls. A point and shooter with a bit more cash than is requred for a normal P&S wants P&S but with better pictures. I'd never notice if a shelf wasn't straight or a picture a touch too dark. And I have Adobe Elements and some other sw to take care of anything I mght want. For us it's about capturing memories not the technical quality of the picture. I'm quite certain that some of my enthusiast friends who see my pictures don't look at the content as much as the technical failings. The other thing is that of all of the thousands of pictures I've taken there's less than a dozen that I think are great pictures. Predominently they are of a moment I would not have captured if I'd had something more complex.

    I love multi-shot. This morning I had a deer in the garden and I took a few moments to put the camera on to multishot and took a few dozens pictures before it saw me and bounded away. I simply slotted the card into the PC and selected those I'll keep and dumped the rest. This mode will also be good for photographing kids. It's a different mind set. You don't wait for the picture and then shoot but simply take a load and select. I wish the motor was completely silent though ....

    I've taken some HD video but I plan to shoot it alongside our small Sony HD to see if it makes that camera superflous.

    I'm completely puzzled as to how such a small camera achieves panorama which has produced some stunning results. I'm also impressed with it's darkness performance - particularly hand-held night - and believe it opens up more night time shots for me - and I wonder whehter I'll ever use the flash.

    I'm certain that the camera was designed exactly for me in mind and I'm more than happy to compromise around any small quirks I find.

    Anyway I promised a newbie non-techy's first reaction - and I hope it wan't too boring or too untechnical.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    UK1- I think your write up is perfect. If you look back a few posts there is another new user Poki, asking some of the same questions, so your answers are all very relevant.

    I envy your travels!

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    UK1, welcome to GetDPI and my compliments on the excellent write-up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    UK1- I think your write up is perfect. If you look back a few posts there is another new user Poki, asking some of the same questions, so your answers are all very relevant.

    I envy your travels!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    UK1, welcome to GetDPI and my compliments on the excellent write-up!
    Thanks - I noticed Poki's post and I was just about to order the EPL1 when I read a short intro to the Sony. To be absolutely frank I didn't see either the Sony or the Olympus before deciding to buy - I live right out in the sticks -but with the benefit of hindsight it's my perception that the Olympus is just a touch further down the scale than the Sony from what I've read ie plasticy v metallic - and some of the shot modes that I'd expect to use elements or painter for seem to be in the camera. The Sony does fit in the trouser pocket with the pancake lens and the Olympus clearly doesn't with it's standard lens. The bigger lens mounted on the Sony will I hope just get into a large jacket pocket......... I think the Sony was probably the better option for me - but not for everyone.

    I'm very fortunate with the travel .... it's a passion!

    Thanks for the welcome to the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    UK1- I think your write up is perfect. If you look back a few posts there is another new user Poki, asking some of the same questions, so your answers are all very relevant.

    I envy your travels!

    Terry
    I agree. Just terrific writeup. Many users will want it for just your reasons and those others like Terry or Vivek will seek out the ways that it can slot into their systems.

    Like Terry, I envy you your travels.

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    Thanks for the post, UK1!

    And thanks for the welcome and the answers, Terry!

    One big problem with my compact is, for example, if I shoot a pic of my cat, the camera isn't able to capture the black-white coat of it sharp - every picture I've made from it (more than 800) are just good enough for small prints. I watch my pictures on an Apple Cinema Display - a display where every small flaw can be seen immediately, so images should be good enough to fit the great display. Macros are great, but high contrast is a big problem.

    The design of the NEX is perfect in my eyes, and that's one of the biggest points to buy something for me. Thanks for the help, I'm going to try the NEX in a store, that should make my decision much easier.

    Poki

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    One thing that does interest me ..... what is the practical purpose of the panorama shot exactly?

    For most people it gives a very and rather useless very thin letterbox picture on what for many people will be a relatively small screen. I use two 1920 by 1080 screens side beside - so I can at least crop a panorama to 3840 by 1080 to go across both screens as a desktop background. I presume there must be some sort of java script you can imbed into a web page to view these shots - but is the panorama mode a great solution that addresses no real problem or have I just missed it?

    Just found WPanorama which scrolls the panorama across both screens .... and you can load lists of panoramas ... and it's free.
    Last edited by UK1; 8th July 2010 at 07:52. Reason: found viewer!

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    UK1

    Try this. Go into the settings for the Panorama direction and set the direction to down. Now go back and get ready to take a panorama shot (set on mode dial). Turn the camera to the portrait orientation and the arrow will be point in from left to right. Take the pan shot that way. It will still give you a wider angle of view than you could get with just your lens and one shot but in an aspect ratio more suited to your needs.




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    Well ..... why didn't I think of that!?

    I've just tried it ... and cropped it to 3840 x 1080 and it gives me much more of the view ..... across both screens.

    Thanks very much for the tip.

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    the vertical sweep panorama is pretty neat. here's a video where I first saw it done.
    http://sonyalphanex.blogspot.com/201...-panorama.html

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    can you do sweep pano with non-sony lenses (especially leica m lenses on an adapter)?

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    Yes

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Yes
    I was having trouble on my alpha lenses with exposure in sweep pano. I haven't tried it with an adapted lens with manual aperture ring.

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    I have just done quick tests, to see if it would work. I don't have the Pacific coastline available, you see.

    BTW I have seen the underexposure in the multi metering mode as compared to center weighted, as mentioned earlier by barjohn, seems to be about a stop under in the shots I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post

    BTW I have seen the underexposure in the multi metering mode as compared to center weighted, as mentioned earlier by barjohn, seems to be about a stop under in the shots I did.

    Is there anything you can replicate in the multi-exposure like where there are light sources on the edges? I haven't seen it YET

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    The Pano feature is pretty neat, indeed. Nice examples of the coastal scenes, Terry.

    Has anyone found a cable/connector for the teeny NEX flash?

    Also, is there any indication that something larger will be available in the future?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    The Pano feature is pretty neat, indeed. Nice examples of the coastal scenes, Terry.

    Has anyone found a cable/connector for the teeny NEX flash?

    Also, is there any indication that something larger will be available in the future?
    Knowing Sony, it's a proprietary connector.

    Haven't heard anything about something larger. The only complaint I have with regards to size, is that my fingers cover up the LED which is used for low light focusing. Need to develop a different grip to avoid this.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Well, the NEX mount is also a "proprietary" Sony mount....

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    True enough. It's just a tad more expensive to tool up for such a connector, as opposed to a mechanical bayonet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    True enough. It's just a tad more expensive to tool up for such a connector, as opposed to a mechanical bayonet.
    True, but mechanical bayonet is a bit bigger than the width

    Size got rid of my complaints about a non-standard mount, also the fact that other accessories can go there.

    My only complaint is that the add-on flash is not wireless controller for alpha flashes.

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    A and E mount Too many lenses.

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    Getting my old boat ready for the summer.

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    Uwe, Very nice shot and nicely processed.

    The exposure in good light is very different in multi which is what makes it frustrating. If it always underexposed by X you could just crank X in but it doesn't.

    One other question. In movable point focus mode the small focus square turns into this large dotted green frame around the entire image. I can't figure out what that means. Pressing the option button brings it back so you can move it but once you press OK you have it back. I can't find any reference to it in the manual. Anyone know what is happening?

    Monza any 16mm lenses available? If not do you know when you expect to get them?
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    On the focus display, it doesn't matter whether center or spot focus mode is selected. When I point at a poorly lit scene and the camera finds focus it creates the large dotted green rectangle, if I point to a well lighted scene it forms the small center green rectangle on focus. No where is this described that I have been able to find in the manual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    On the focus display, it doesn't matter whether center or spot focus mode is selected. When I point at a poorly lit scene and the camera finds focus it creates the large dotted green rectangle, if I point to a well lighted scene it forms the small center green rectangle on focus. No where is this described that I have been able to find in the manual.
    I also have seen it and could not make any sense of it.
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    Yes, I also have been confused by that.

    We have 16mm if you don't mind an NEX3 attached to the back of the lens. Otherwise they are supposed to be en route.

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    Forgive me if the question shouldn't be here ...... but sometimes you have a question you are bursting to ask but there doesn't seem a perfect place.

    My background was originally in selling large main-frame computers. I started so long ago I remember the company I worked for (they painted their computers blue in the factory) celebrating the launch of a 16k processor - up from 8k - and it was water cooled and the whole kit fitted a room and kept a small building warm. To younger people that is around 1 millionth (if my sums stack up) of the power of the processor in your home photo editing PC.

    My question is about the wonderment of the panorama shot and how the camera acheives it.

    Some years ago I tried software in a PC that you could use to put some pictures side be side and try and stitch them together. In those days before the megapixel most PC's struggled with handling two pictures.

    So my question is - how on earth does a camera take all those shots - what 12 or more 5mb pictures, store them all then stitch them all perfectly together, crop the result and produce a perfect panorama - all in moments?

    Does anyone have an idiots English guide as to how it accomplishes that?

    Sorry again if the post is misplaced here.

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    I believe the NEX also takes multiple shots in twilight mode, compares the highs and lows and spits out 1 usable image.

    Stitching and blending are basic photo editing tools so that tiny computer in the NEX is handling all that.

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    Uwe, Very nice shot and nicely processed.

    The exposure in good light is very different in multi which is what makes it frustrating. If it always underexposed by X you could just crank X in but it doesn't.

    One other question. In movable point focus mode the small focus square turns into this large dotted green frame around the entire image. I can't figure out what that means. Pressing the option button brings it back so you can move it but once you press OK you have it back. I can't find any reference to it in the manual. Anyone know what is happening?

    Monza any 16mm lenses available? If not do you know when you expect to get them?
    I read that the camera needs more light and it switches to wide area focus mode.

    There's a 16mm in the Gear FS forum.
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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by ken_vs_ryu View Post
    I read that the camera needs more light and it switches to wide area focus mode.
    Interesting. So how do you know what it focused on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by douglasf13 View Post
    Well, I found my answer for the ZM 35mm f2 on m4/3. It doesn't look great at the edges:

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showpo...9&postcount=58

    I've been looking at the design of the CV 35mm f1.4, and although I'd certainly prefer a Leica or ZM if I was shooting the M9, the CV may very well perform better at the edges on NEX. I'll probably just buy a NEX+M adapter and rent every 35mm I can find until one works well....or, Sony could do me a favor and just release a darn standard prime. lol.

    Hello All,

    This is my first post as a member, but I've followed the forum for a while and I've found the accumulated experience reflected here quite helpful in convincing me to spend more money on cameras. So thank you! Seriously, it's great to follow a forum where people are happy rather than bitter.

    Currently have an A850 + CZ24-70 and various m43 bodies/lenses, so the NEX is of obvious interest. While we await results of M-Mount lenses on NEX, I noticed the discussion about 35mm M-Mounts on m43 and thought I'd share my experience. I've used the 35 2.5 Color Skopar, 35 1.7 Ultron and 35 Summarit. While the Skopar was very sharp throughout much of the frame, I found that it had smearing problems in the corners as you neared infinity focus; for closer focus, the problem diminshed or went away, but it was frustrating to deal with. Similar problems with the Ultron, although not as pronounced. The Summarit, on the other hand, performs very well on m43; there is basically no smearing problem, just a little softness toward the corners at 2.5/2.8 (not unlike other M-mounts on m43) and every now and then some odd out-of-focus rendering in the extreme corners at 2.5. In general, though, the sharpness, out-of-focus areas, color and overall look are really superb. It's a lens where I generally don't play much with the "clarity" or "contrast" controls in Lightroom, as it just disturbs what is a great look out-of-camera with great focus fall-off and overall feel. Best around f4.

    I ordered the NEX to M-Mount adapter today, I assume it will arrive late next week -- I'll let you know how it works with the 35 Summarit.

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    I'm amazed as well UK1. It spells an exciting future for cameras. Intelligent AI can help with all kinds of advanced post processing.

    I've tried taking HDR pictures with bracketing, a tripod and Hydra software on the mac. The results weren't good, now I can do pretty good HDR handheld with no postprocessing.

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    Thanks, MPK2010! Look forward to hearing the report.

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    I would definitely like to know which of the CV lenses work best on the NEX.

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    Hope someone can point me to the right products and info sources.

    1. I'd like to buy a dust cap for the rear end of the pancake lens and a dust cap for tne NEX body. Can anybody point me to sizes and or suitable products please?

    2. I'm unable to see any matrix in the instruction book of what functions are compatible with other functions, There's a limited one for shooting modes and flash modes - but I cannot see what camera modes can be used with the various creative styles. For example intelligent auto seems to have all creative styles unavailable. Can anyone point me to a matrix I can print off of what is available with which please......if you get my drift.

    Thanks in advance

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    What do you think about the post processing I've done to this HDR picture. Does it improve it? I find the out-of-camera HDR pictures a bit flat.


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    >I find the out-of-camera HDR pictures a bit flat.

    That is fine for B&W. Much easier to make images less flat than the other way round.



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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Quote Originally Posted by UK1 View Post
    Hope someone can point me to the right products and info sources.

    1. I'd like to buy a dust cap for the rear end of the pancake lens and a dust cap for tne NEX body. Can anybody point me to sizes and or suitable products please?

    2. I'm unable to see any matrix in the instruction book of what functions are compatible with other functions, There's a limited one for shooting modes and flash modes - but I cannot see what camera modes can be used with the various creative styles. For example intelligent auto seems to have all creative styles unavailable. Can anyone point me to a matrix I can print off of what is available with which please......if you get my drift.

    Thanks in advance

    Thanks.

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    1. The ebay seller jinfinance is going to make rear lens caps for the NEX. I also asked them about body caps. They weren't sure but said stay tuned. I will post here when I see them.

    Sony is supposedly sending me a rear cap. I will believe it when I see it. Then as to the rear cap, they didn't a clue or a part number. So, somebody on ebay will step up to the plate and make them. I do have one rear cap as it came on my Alpha to E mount adapter....so we know they do exist.

    2. I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterbrew View Post
    What do you think about the post processing I've done to this HDR picture. Does it improve it? I find the out-of-camera HDR pictures a bit flat.
    I like the additional contrast but it seems to have moved the WB a little blue. I like the effect in the sky but the bottom right hand car is where it seems like it should be cut back a bit.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Uwe - these look good. The tonal range and control over the exposure in the first looks especially good. It looks bright enough that some highlights would blow out but they really as I said seem so under control.

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    Re: Fun with the NEX cameras....

    Some more panos.....advice shoot multiples....you won't see the problem spots on the LCD. I don't think there is any way I would have gotten these on a tripod or handheld shooting single shots and stitching as the people were moving too fast.





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