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It should have been but it is not.Bob,
Wasn't that a Moore quote?
IMO, this demonstrates that you just don't get it. All the rest of your post is tit-for-tat and we go on forever. Frankly, I don't care at all who is sales leader in anything. That has never once been my criteria for selecting anything.
The argument is FOR ME and my applications and what works FOR ME. There is no "universal best" as you keep wanting to hard sell. There is what is best for each shooter. That may be like Shelby with his RZ and Leaf back which is still a "magic" combo for producing his style of work. I still am of the opinion that the Hasselblad CFV/16 and 203FE combination produced images that I rarely see aesthetically equalled by mega $$$ backs from all the makers. Which is why I did not continue on to the CFV/39 or 50 because it didn't translate the same. It is an artistic evaluation not some quantifiable chart.
I think the whole arena has become the "Emperors New Clothes" where a minuscule few need anything near what is now being made, but to keep the juggernaut moving it must be marketed to the many.
Frankly, I'm not married to any of this stuff ... including Hasselblad. Had I been entering the arena of MFD today, given where the market for photography has gone, the last system I'd buy into is Phase One, and most likely not Hasselblad either. I should have stopped with the RZ and 33 meg Leaf 75s that one of my favorite photographers now owns ... and who would have guessed that Leica would produce a ground-up camera that makes them all seem like dinosaurs roaring about how dominate they are ... until they suddenly aren't around anymore
-Marc
Steve and Marc,
Might I suggest you two take this offline and work it out?
Thanks in advance,
Lemma 1:
If a company does not produce a good product from time to time it will surely fail.
Corollary to Lemma 1: No company has the "best" product IN THE MARKET at all times from all perspectives.
-bob
Steve, it isn't about you and me, except in your own competitive head. You really should open up to other perspectives whether you like them or not. And to be clear, I do not care if you like me or what I have to say ... but it is a different perspective that I know I am not alone in feeling.Marc -
I think we're abusing the thread at this point and it's becoming more about you and me. I say that because for whatever reason you have scorpions in your pants about my statement that Phase has always been ahead of Hasselblad on the digital back end and would likely continue, while Hasselblad has been ahead on the camera side. But you continue to mischaracterize my words into some sort of ridiculous mandate for THE BEST. You started the laundry list of tit for tat ("Phase never had a 50MP", you said). In every industry, there is a market leader, and I said when it came to the back end, Phase One has always been ahead of Hasselblad. You say no, but even on the completely elementary level of they have always had new sensors to market ahead of Hassleblad, you probably can't abide my statement, so ok - forget I said it - I withdraw the statement! The fact of whether it is true or not doesn't matter. Can we agree that it doesn't matter? Because as far as what I recommend to a client is concerned, it doesn't.
Today I spent 8 hours in the (hot) sun shooting P45+, P65+, IQ180, and Arca Swiss RM3Di and a client. Throughout the day the discussion surrounded the differences, advantages and disadvantages for how this client shoots with the digital backs and also the RM3Di discussed in context of the Cambo WRS. Nothing was "best". So, please, stop making such a flipping big deal out of my little remark. I am hard selling "best"? Your innuendos about me create the impression you have no idea who I am. There are many people here who know who I am. Please stop twisting my words. I actually just went back to my original post and all I said was I didn't see Hassleblad catching Phase One on the back end. Just my opinion.
Thierry - your correction is appreciated, but it is not a correction, since I only stated that Phase One has always been to market with new sensors before Imacon/Hasselblad. I was actually employed by Sinar at the time Sinar had a short time exclusive on the Kodak 22MP sensor. Initially, Phase One's response was that they would match it with a 22MP Dalsa version, but between then and the release date, that changed and it wound up Kodak. Yes, Sinar was first.
Also, before I joined Sinar, I was employed by Imacon, and Imacon had purchased ColorCrisp I think a year or two before the Sinar 22MP was announced, so yes, there was a digital back division that offered 6MP ad 11MP multishot products (the old Carnival backs).
Steve Hendrix
I still own two of the Sinar 54H to this day and it is still one of my favorite digital back of all time. In fact, I visited another studio who was using the newer version of the Sinar multishot back and was having problem with the color casting. Keep in mind that the 54H was the last Kodak chip that Sinar used on their back. In fact, my first 54H came from Steve Hendrix. I have to say in my lifetime experience with photography, I have learned from many of you here and elsewhere. It is with great pain for me to see many of you disagree over trivial matters. Many of us struggle in these time, and this forum has provided many great benefits to the members and viewers. Whether I agree with all the principles of this forum or not, I find this forum to be a favorite place to hang out due to its uniqueness in diversity from regular members to dealers. I like to thanks all of you for providing many great valuable informations to many folks including myself. I like to view all of you as positive contributors not only here but in many other places before GetDPI was developed. To name a few of you: Guy, Jack, Marc, Steve Gilbert, Steve Hendrix, PeterA, Doug, Yair, Thierry, Paul Slotboom, David and so many others.Correct Jack, it was the SB 54 H, multi-shot up to 88 MPx resolution in 16-shot mode. It is still in use in many studios and the files can still compete with any current single-shot digital back.
Thierry
I thought that American football went on forever.:deadhorse:all other sporting events have an end.
EVEN test cricket is more interesting than a slugfest - and that's saying something coming from an Englishman who despises cricket even more than soccer - sorry - my English DNA must be broken.Now I understand, but they are both more interesting than the current slugfest..
Done."Might I suggest you two take this offline and work it out?"
Maybe more than a suggestion is required. Or at least a time limit: all other sporting events have an end.
Done.Steve and Marc,
Might I suggest you two take this offline and work it out?
Thanks in advance,
Marc -
Thierry - your correction is appreciated, but it is not a correction, since I only stated that Phase One has always been to market with new sensors before Imacon/Hasselblad. I was actually employed by Sinar at the time Sinar had a short time exclusive on the Kodak 22MP sensor. Initially, Phase One's response was that they would match it with a 22MP Dalsa version, but between then and the release date, that changed and it wound up Kodak. Yes, Sinar was first.
Steve Hendrix