Guy Mancuso
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Never afraid but wait let me check my crystal ball first. LOL
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I'll also take the bet on the Dalsa. I think that, given both Dalsa and Kodak are fine technologists, it makes sense for Phase to differentiate themselves from Hassy by going with the alternate vendor (Dalsa). The Dalsa sensors, based on what I see from the Aptus backs, have a different look and feel from the Kodak sensors and I, for one, like that look. Having a Dalsa back available from Phase (I assume on a Phase/Mamiya body) will make things ever more interesting. And to think that a year ago MF looked like a problem child.I'll take that bet and I'll wager the same as Jack
That tentatively puts you on the hook for two steaks and two martinis
unless you're afraid
Mark
Could happen, but for a while, it would be much better to increase market, rather than just fight over market share. With a bigger market, more money will probably be made than with just a bigger market share of a much smaller market. Would be interesting to see the numbers for some of this stuff.I wonder if it would lead to any more consolidation in the number of MFDB players ... consolidation can be a great way to increase market share.
O.K., but has anybody been able to confirm just what size the P65 is going to be? The P45 is not a 45MP sensor, but a 39MP, so is the P65 a 50MP or something else? Dalsa's would be leapfrogging Kodak if they put something bigger than 50MP out. Right now, they are a few MP behind on things (e.g., 33 v 39 as top end for Dalsa versus Kodak in the various backs that use each).I believe you will see,in tomorrows official announcement to its dealer
network, that the sensor in the unofficial P65 will not be a Kodak
product.
Mark
Problem is that there is very little differentiation from one system to the other. So consolidation would primarily lead to better profitability through savings from getting rid of duplicate functions/workers. It would also lead to more R&D dollars/euros available even if the percentage of sales due to R&D went down slightly. Sales channels would be strengthened due to a larger portfolio of products for sale etc etc.I wonder if it would lead to any more consolidation in the number of MFDB players ... consolidation can be a great way to increase market share.
Problem is that with Phase product numbering system a P65+ may indeed be a 50 Mpx chip or could be larger. No way to tellI heard 60 mpx but can't confirm, waiting on annoucements.
WoodyP
I mean that when you think about it there are only four players now in the MFDB market. Leaf and it's derivatives (Sinar Rollei etc), Phase, and Hasselblad. Phase or Hassy would have to buy Leaf to really make a bold move. This could eventually starve out Sinar and Rollei as they are dependent on Leaf for the backs. I am sure that they would migrate to Phase backs to stay alive but their overall position would be weakened.
Woody
Problem is that with Phase product numbering system a P65+ may indeed be a 50 Mpx chip or could be larger.
i am waiting for the 100000 megapixel back - where the companies throw in a free Ferrari and the state of Texas with each order.
Good Lord Peter, why would you consider the state of Texas a worthwhile upgrade? LOLi am waiting for the 100000 megapixel back - where the companies throw in a free Ferrari and the state of Texas with each order.
MarkWoody
I don't believe you are correct in your breakdown.
As far as I know,Sinar and Rollei are in no way 'derivatives' of Leaf.
The Leaf brand is a property of Kodak by virtue of an acquisition of
Creo some years ago.
Nor are Sinar or Rollei dependant upon Leaf for backs.
Mark
Yes, I'm pretty sure you are wrong about this. At least, wrong in the sense that the Epson RD-1 is the same as a Nikon D70 or the M8 and the DMR are the same camera. Yes, Sinar and Leaf both use Dalsa sensors, but only the sensors are the same. Every other component of the backs is different. Very much so -- it is not just the screens and interface, but the hardware that reads the information of the sensor and everything else. It would be like saying that a Hasselblad and Holga are the same camera because you can put Tri-X in both (not to imply that one is a hasselblad or a holga!).Mark
I am probably wrong so I apologize if I have unintentionally mislead anyone. It would seem though that the Leaf, Sinar, and Rollei backs are all supplied from one source.