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    Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    Like others here, I've used many normal lenses over the years. With the Lumix 20/1.7, Panasonic has produced a lens worthy of its own image thread. So lets see what everyone is doing with their Pana 20 .
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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    Here are 2 recent ones with the GF1--both at f/1.8 rather than 1.7




    and a rather wierd one, but fun (I thought) with GF1 at aquarium.


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    Diane, those are both great! My son Philip and I both like the goldfish photo - very cool!

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    One of mine with the G1 and 20/1.7 at f/1.7:

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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    Diane,
    Both shots are nice but there is something fun about the fish.

    Amin,
    The expressions of your sons a year later haven't changed one bit and their personalities still shine right through.

    I will add some more when I get my technology hooked up. Been a bit lazy this week and still working off a laptop and not my regular computer setup (just moved).

    Here are two B&W snaps from dinner in Oregon that I posted before. Posting them again because I think the 20mm fast lens is the perfect "social snap" lens when out to dinner. Obviously here I used the flash. As much as I like the "fast" aspect of the lens I was happy with the flash shots that I got as well on the GF1 (no fiddling around just popped it up).




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    Terry, those look great; remarkably so for direct on-camera flash! Maybe the lens speed allowed the camera to use a less brutal flash pulse. Was this in-camera JPEG, or did you do the B&W conversion afterwards?

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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    These are direct jpegs untouched. I set C1 on the GF1 for RAW+jpeg and use dynamic B&W with the flash set slow synch and to 2nd curtain. They were shot wide open at ISO 100, Aperture priority at 1/30 on the shutter and I think it was successful at getting the needed background detail. The camera "done" good!

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    Diane,
    Both shots are nice but there is something fun about the fish.

    Amin,
    The expressions of your sons a year later haven't changed one bit and their personalities still shine right through.

    I will add some more when I get my technology hooked up. Been a bit lazy this week and still working off a laptop and not my regular computer setup (just moved).

    Here are two B&W snaps from dinner in Oregon that I posted before. Posting them again because I think the 20mm fast lens is the perfect "social snap" lens when out to dinner. Obviously here I used the flash. As much as I like the "fast" aspect of the lens I was happy with the flash shots that I got as well on the GF1 (no fiddling around just popped it up).
    Thanks--aquarium due to bad weather LOL--and had fun there with the 20 and FD 50--(and its 'weird' not wierd). I tried video with the 20 also--worked out fairly well, though I think the 14-45 is a better choice--or better yet, MF lenses.

    Amin--those are really cute boys--and I like the composition.

    Terry--I don't remember if I remarked on those shots or not, but I really like the flash/monos combo.

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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    Quote Originally Posted by Amin View Post
    Like others here, I've used many normal lenses over the years. With the Lumix 20/1.7, Panasonic has produced a lens worthy of its own image thread. So lets see what everyone is doing with their Pana 20 .
    First of all Amin, can I say that it's . . . . .


    Wonderful to have you back

    I've only had this lens for 24 hours, and most of those were either at work or dark . . . and I've also been playing with the 45 macro.

    anyway, here's a shot from this afternoon:
    taken with the pen

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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    Well, I've only had it out for one morning so far doing some quick snaps, but I believe this is my favorite lens ever!

    Trying to learn to do B&W conversions and not terribly successful yet, but I kind of liked this snap of men chatting on the street corner for some reason.




    Great shots, all. Amin, your boys are So darned cute, LOVE that one!
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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    Thanks Diane, Joan, and Jono!

    Jono, after being away for a while, I felt awkward about returning, so thanks for the kind (not to mention large and red) welcome back .

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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    I have never been a wide angle shooter myself. Since I got the 20f1.7 couple weeks ago, I have been out with the lens a few times and had to educate myself of the 'foot zooming' technique and how to see with a wide angle lens. So far, it is all positive about this tiny lens which works very well with either my G1 or GH1.

    A few shots from two days ago with the 20f1.7 lens, and I was shooting GH1 with Canon 1DMk3 side-by-side:




    This lens is one of the reasons why I am using MFT system when I still own lots of bigger and heavier cameras/lenses. It always makes me wonder why would one uses 'big' lenses on the MFT bodies which seem to defect the whole purpose. But, I can definitely appreciate having the option to use my old favorite lenses again.
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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    anyway, here's a shot from this afternoon:
    taken with the pen
    Well, a picture is worth a thousand words Jono - I know you know what I'm thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    These are direct jpegs untouched. I set C1 on the GF1 for RAW+jpeg and use dynamic B&W with the flash set slow synch and to 2nd curtain. They were shot wide open at ISO 100, Aperture priority at 1/30 on the shutter and I think it was successful at getting the needed background detail. The camera "done" good!
    Very cool. Yes, I was admiring the backgrounds as well. I need to learn more about flash. Well done!

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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    Yes, Brian it is obvious what you are thinking but please explain what a RAW file with the same sensor as a G1/GF1 developed in C1 has to do with Oly color?

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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    Diane -- I was immediately drawn to your B&W example. My compliments.
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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    Amin, Nice to see you. Your boys are so cute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Yes, Brian it is obvious what you are thinking but please explain what a RAW file with the same sensor as a G1/GF1 developed in C1 has to do with Oly color?
    Ah, then it's clear you don't know what I'm thinking

    Certainly nothing to do with Oly colour, so pipe down

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    Well then, Brian, what WAS so funny about Jono's lovely picture and what WERE you thinking? Surely you can let us all in on this private joke!?

    I only ask because when i read it, I interpreted your original comment the same way Terry did; and quite understandably I might add, because you DO go on and on about Oly color.
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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    Here's a couple from the GF1 and 20mm. I was in Denver for a conference. The 20mm is a perfect combo with the GF1.

    Attachment 24556 Attachment 24555

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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    Hello Amin, welcome back and thanks for starting this thread. The 20 1.7 is my current favorite lens for the G's. Here are two local shots from this fall.




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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    Quote Originally Posted by Joan View Post
    Well then, Brian, what WAS so funny about Jono's lovely picture and what WERE you thinking? Surely you can let us all in on this private joke!?

    I only ask because when i read it, I interpreted your original comment the same way Terry did; and quite understandably I might add, because you DO go on and on about Oly color.
    Joan, I don't want to upset any Pany fans (and I sense I already have)... so let's just drop it - it was an expression of what a fine image Jono has produced. I love it.

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    scho, those two are lovely captures too... excellent sense of depth.

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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Ah, then it's clear you don't know what I'm thinking

    Certainly nothing to do with Oly colour, so pipe down

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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    indeed... I didn't think Terry was diving in as a moderator - of course respect cuts all ways. I apologise for using 'pipe down' - meaning 'back off', 'chill out', 'give me a break', etc... how sensitive / politically correct do we need to be exactly?

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    GF1/20mm in a gloomy weather in northen Sweden today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    indeed... I didn't think Terry was diving in as a moderator - of course respect cuts all ways. I apologise for using 'pipe down' - meaning 'back off', 'chill out', 'give me a break', etc... how sensitive / politically correct do we need to be exactly?

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    As I said, respect cuts all ways... I'll do my best from this end Guy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
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    Thanks to Cindy and Scho.

    Many beautiful images already in this thread!

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    Kjell,
    Lovee the dogs. They are obviously each looking at something but still amazing that they can see.

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    Love everybody's photos--the sheepdogs are a neat catch. But I'm always a sucker for a good dog photo.

    Interesting the diversity in the shots just in a short thread.

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    Brian,
    I am not sure how I disrespected you. Clearly from Joan's post and from a couple of the emails/PMs I received after my post, others felt the same way. In other posts when you like a shot you simply tell the person you like a shot and what you like about it. So, in this instance it seemed pretty clear there was an inside joke going on.

    If you are calling me a Panny fan (implied in your answer to Joan), yes, I do like the GF1 better than the E-P1 but I've continued to say my issues with the Oly camera have nothing to do with IQ but the user interface and focus. In addition, I still own the E-P1, and as people around here know, I'm not shy about selling gear.

    What I react to here and on DPReview is that most of your posts tend to very subtly contain a dig against the Panasonic cameras which is really quite unnecessary. Everyone will find the camera that suits them best. The best thing that can happen to m4/3 is that there is a very broad base of customers to support R&D for more lenses and bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Joan, I don't want to upset any Pany fans (and I sense I already have)... so let's just drop it - it was an expression of what a fine image Jono has produced. I love it.

    Cheers

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    Well, Brian, I'm sorry, but I don't believe you were just complimenting Jono. If you were, there would have been no need for the ' ' and the ' .' It has nothing to do with being a "Pany fan." I happen to love Olympus colors, but I don't think we need any one-upmanship here. So, please don't treat us as if we are imbeciles and can't "get" the subtext.

    And yes, now I'll drop it, out of respect to Amin and this otherwise lovely thread. Sorry, Guy, but I felt that I had to respond to Brian, but now I'm out.
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    I'm sorry Terry, Joan - my post was inappropriate and insensitive to you both... I was referring to a private e-mail exchange I'd had with Jono recently, and not intending to insult any brand loyalties - which is why I reacted badly to Terry's post - even though I accept she didn't intend any disrespect towards me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    First of all Amin, can I say that it's . . . . .


    Wonderful to have you back

    I've only had this lens for 24 hours, and most of those were either at work or dark . . . and I've also been playing with the 45 macro.

    anyway, here's a shot from this afternoon:
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    Your impressions of the 45 macro would be highly appreciated. The DPR conclusions were somewhat lukewarm. But real live usage might show it's actually a decent performer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by retow View Post
    Your impressions of the 45 macro would be highly appreciated. The DPR conclusions were somewhat lukewarm. But real live usage might show it's actually a decent performer?

    Jono seems to be the only one here that has seen the 45 f/2.8 let alone actually has one LOL. Otherwise, I'd suggest he start a thread like this on the 45.

    I do want to see some other shots with it. I played this morning with several lenses in that range--35-50, including even my TS which is 45 f/2.8 (though not a useful lens as this would be)--trying to talk myself OUT of wanting it. So far--it hasn't really worked LOL. Looking at the lens roadmaps there doesn't appear to be anything coming down the pike for a good while that would be better in that range (I would have liked a bit faster--but if needed, I can pull out my 40 f/1.8 MF). I don't shoot all that much macro, per se, but do like closeups--and I do like in the range of 45 on the 4/3rds and would like an native lens in that range.

    SO--Jono, favor us, please with some more shots with this lens.

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    Wide open, ISO3200, heavily cropped ~1:2. This is Alison Sudol of A Fine Frenzy

    Messing around with Dfine and SilverEfex... I bought it on a whim, ha. Though, I'm thinking LR3's grain and NR might actually be enough for my needs. Too bad a) it's still beta, and b) can't return software you buy before any LR3 announcement =)

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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    Looks like a terrific lens.....just ordered one from Amazon for my G1, but they say it may be 1-2 months before it's delivered.

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    Terry, Diane - thanks a lot.

    I really like my mFT-gear - to be able to take good pictures without having to carry tons of DSLR stuff!

    I only wish the 20/1,7 had OIS....... would make it easier to take pics in available light - which I enjoy!

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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    Some night shots with the Panasonic 20mm on a Olympus E-P1...





    While it does take nice pics under most circumstances, flare is a bit of a problem with this lens...





    The UFOs in the sky are a nice touch in that last one. The next shot shows the seven blade apeture in all its glory...



    The double star point diffraction caused by the odd number blade aperture is rather neat. I have hear of this but as most of my lenses have 6 blade aptures or 12, had never seen the effect before. At least in that last shot, the lovely septagon is easy to remove from the black sky.

    While I am overall quite pleased with the lens, it does dissapoint in the slow focus speed. It may not be noticable on the Panasonic cameras, but auto focus is around 0.1 second slower than the 14-42 Olympus zoom which itself is pretty slow and it takes almost twice as long to focus as the Panasonic 45-200 zoom. Doesn't make any sense.

    Manual focus (which is what I normally use) is also slow at around 0.4s on the E-P1 compared to 0.3s or just a bit less for the 14-42 Olympus zoom.

    The weather has been really crook lately so I haven't given the lens a decent workout during the day. I am hoping for next weekend to be fine.

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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    I'm sorry Terry, Joan - my post was inappropriate and insensitive to you both
    I should think so too - glad that's out! (It was putting me off my toast as I wended my weary way down through the thread)

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    ... I was referring to a private e-mail exchange I'd had with Jono recently,
    I didn't understand the inside joke implications either - but the conversation was about the advantage of using the panny 20 1.7 with the EP-1, because of the image stabilisation . . . .I guess the joke could have been something about IBIS sorting out my shakey hands Brian?

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    Thanks Peter, I particularly like your first and third captures... very nice!

    I use the 20mm f1.7 on my G1 also, and it's noticably slower to focus than the 14-45mm kit lens... different focusing motors, presumably to keep the lens compact.

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    Jono, I was looking forward to your quadraped IBIS test!

    Don't mention the war!

    p.s. where's the 'Fun with PL 45mm f2.8' by Jono Slack? I want to know how it will do as a portrait lens!

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    Songbook in old church in Kiedrich/Rheingau/Germany (E-P1 with 20mm/1,7)



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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    Beautiful shot Karl!

    Thanks for sharing.

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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I didn't understand the inside joke implications either...
    I thought Brian was referring to some sort of sexual innuendo hidden in those trees, but I couldn't figure it out. Glad I was wrong - was beginning to think I lacked imagination .

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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    This is a repost from another thread, but it was done with the 20/1.7. Image had some simple "secret sauce" processing done in CS to generate this look:

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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    There you go Amin, it would have been much more fun to leave it to your imagination

    Cheers

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    Re: Fun with the Lumix 20mm f/1.7 (Image Thread)

    I will add some from the Oregon workshop here. Really like this little lens and FYI this is the first time I used the camera. Just received it that morning already setup from Terry ready to shoot. Most of these are wide open











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