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    I understand Jonas. Guess I was doing the equivalent in some ways. No, no one would have bought the G1 costing as much as a FF, but the lenses are creeping up there. I paid $1100 for my 45 T/S and $1400 for my 24-70L (I had one of the first so paid an early adopter price but it is good). I'm just not willing to pay comparable prices for lenses for my G1 *smile*. I guess that's what I'm trying to say--the body/14-45 cost me $530. I don't want to pay $1400 for a lens for the camera at this point (though I admit I've put an expensive lens on my used 400D LOL)--maybe in the future as the format matures.

    Lisa was on the dpreview forum and was involved in a lot of threads but she may have been banned--at least she disappeared. I understood that she was primarily interested in the video ability of the GH1.

    BTW--I was reasonably sure I had seen a 7-14 f/4 in a video last night--the poster was shooting a gold GH1 with 14-140 on it sitting beside a 7-14 f/4 box--but I surely can't find it this morning--so now I wonder if I was dreaming LOL. I believe it was a video. I know there have been several with various lenses--but I was particularly interested to see that lens used. Looks as though many people in Japan preordered or got into the stores immediately to buy those GH1s.

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    Re: Panasonic lens prices

    Diane, I saw it as well but it was a still photo on flickr. I think the link was on DPReview. I'm on my iPhone so can't post a link until we get new software with cut and paste (finally!!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Diane, I saw it as well but it was a still photo on flickr. I think the link was on DPReview. I'm on my iPhone so can't post a link until we get new software with cut and paste (finally!!)
    Terri, I found it--but now I remember that I was a bit confused about its upload date
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/audiobl...28287/sizes/l/ since it was 3/31/09 I'm wondering if he was a beta tester for Olympus since it appears that he has had a GH1 since March (or earlier). I noticed that he had TZ7 shots with a prototype also--and he is in France, so he didn't buy it in Japan yesterday morning LOL. Still--its in a box so that means it must be available--soon at least.

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    Re: Panasonic lens prices

    and he should clean his 14-140mm lens !!!

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    Oh heck, I wish you hadn't posted that link Diane... those lenses look too cute on the GH1. This is going to be expensive!

    What a killer travel kit!

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    and--on a gold and red GH1 also LOL. AND--taken with a G1--so he's well covered in the m4/3rds department.

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    Am I the only one that thinks this is a reasonable price?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=330324901014

    Especially compared to this?

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._Zuiko_ED.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Am I the only one that thinks this is a reasonable price?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=330324901014

    Especially compared to this?

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._Zuiko_ED.html
    or this one?
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...ide_Angle.html

    OK, I know, I shouldn't say anything more. But then again, a 1000 dollar plus lens and not getting a focusing scale...

    Interestingly the seller (a good seller btw) also has the Panasonic 25/1.4 and sells it for USD 1050. That is quite a bit over the B+H list price. I wonder if that is a special case or if the G7-14 will go down in price?

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    The 9-18 is a slower lens, and not as wide. Surely these must be factors, so this really isn't a direct comparison. Add $150 for the 4/3 adapter, too.

    That said, I'd probably buy the 9-18, as that would be plenty wide for me, as infrequently as I would use the lens.

    The Pana 7-14 should go down over time; what was the 9-18 selling for a day after it was introduced, anyone know?

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    Re: Panasonic lens prices

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Am I the only one that thinks this is a reasonable price?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=330324901014
    Hi, Monza,

    that's the one I bought from, he had 2 this morning, just 1 left now !
    So hurry up if you want one, or wait for a second batch ...

    I'm really looking forward to receiving it (still I wonder how much tax I will have to pay ) and making the first pics !

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    Good, someone else thinks it's reasonable too.

    Looking forward to seeing some photos, Rafael!

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    Re: Panasonic lens prices

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Good, someone else thinks it's reasonable too.
    Are you looking for arguments cq a good excuse, Monza

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Looking forward to seeing some photos, Rafael!
    And I am looking forward to making them !

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    The 9-18 is a slower lens, and not as wide. Surely these must be factors, so this really isn't a direct comparison. Add $150 for the 4/3 adapter, too.

    That said, I'd probably buy the 9-18, as that would be plenty wide for me, as infrequently as I would use the lens.

    The Pana 7-14 should go down over time; what was the 9-18 selling for a day after it was introduced, anyone know?
    Ah, I thought everybody had the adapter already. I agree one shouldn't compare the 9-18 with the 7-14. But I can't help to do it anyway. I'm old school and never used anything wider than a 20mm lens on FF. For a long time a 24mm was my widest. Now I have the 9-18 and it is plenty wide and I don't usually zoom out to 9mm. Anyway, the 9-18 puts things a little into perspective when discussing UWA zooms and prices.

    That said, if I had a 7mm lens I guess I would find some use for it.

    I have no idea what the initial price of the 9-18 was. The same as now I guess, it is after all released not long ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by f6cvalkyrie View Post
    (...) he had 2 this morning, just 1 left now !
    So hurry up if you want one, or wait for a second batch ...
    Wow! Rafael, that's a bit exciting, isn't it? I hope you'll like it. I'm interested in some raw samples of buildings and such.

    regards, /Jonas

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Am I the only one that thinks this is a reasonable price?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=330324901014

    Especially compared to this?

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._Zuiko_ED.html
    Monza, its relative LOL. I don't think I would make up my mind until I saw results from the 7-14 and read (and heard first hand) reports/reviews of the new lens.

    I do think the $1,750 is more than I would spend for a lens I would use not too often. If it was one I used quite a lot, felt it was a 'must have', then perhaps.

    I guess I have to admit, too, that I'm influenced a bit on the wide angle side because I do have 4 options for WA for my 5D. Granted, if I don't have the camera with me to shoot with the UWA it doesn't really matter--if I only have the G1 with me LOL, but when I need a wide wide lens--I believe I'll know ahead of time and plan. Its hard to untangle one's biases from these kind of decisions. That being said--I did buy the 9-18 and the adaptor (which I planned to use with other lenses eventually--I have the Konica Hexanon 40 f/1.8 being worked on). I knew from previous use that I didn't use my 12mm widest often--usually I shot in range of 18mm or so (FF), so the 9-18 is wide enough for me. I also know that if I shoot inside wide--it will be on a tripod, so all in all, its a good fit. That really doesn't have anything to do with other's choices of which lens though. I still anticipate that the 7-14 f/4 will be a good lens--and small (same size as 9-18 really--but then the adaptor and 3 oz which eat up the small difference in weight between 9-18 and 7-14). I even wonder if I'll carry it for travel--or perhaps carry it, but decide day by day if I need more than 14mm.

    Still--*smile*--looking forward to those images from the new lens, some comparisons with the Oly 7-14 and the 9-18. Because I wish Panasonic well with the m4/3rds, I hope they sell a lot of them--and hurry with the 20 f/1.7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Am I the only one that thinks this is a reasonable price?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=330324901014

    Especially compared to this?

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._Zuiko_ED.html
    No you aren't the only one who thinks the price is somewhat reasonable considering the pricing of direct "competition" and other options. That's the point I made previously. Comparing other options and this lens is significantly cheaper than similar options from Olympus. It just has to prove it possesses similar or at least sufficient optical quality before I personally will jump on it.

    I would be sold on Micro 4/3 if I could go from 14-400mm (35mm equivalent) with decent optical quality in 3 lenses. I can always get standard 4/3, M-Mount lenses, or other primes for the faster aperture "needs" until they release a larger lens selection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    I shouldn't have brought up the weather sealing thing. I did it as Lisa (wherever she went...) claimed the lens to be a "pro" lens at a reasonable price.
    Wherever I went? That was yesterday. I never made any such claim. I just asked a question.

    I hear people claim that Panasonic lenses are overpriced-- and so what I wonder is if there is a company that makes comparable quality lenses at a better price.

    The nice thing about this platform is that you can adapt just about any lens... and so I am curious to know if there is a better deal out there.

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    Every other lens but Olympus (some) will only MF. There isn't a comparable lens except the Olympus version AFAIK. One alternative that some are considering is the Oly 9-18.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LizaWitz View Post
    Wherever I went? That was yesterday. I never made any such claim. I just asked a question.
    It was April 27. Before that it was a month or two since you last posted and you talked about comparisons you had seen. When asked about the comparison you didn't reply. Yes, I wondered if you were to return.

    Quote Originally Posted by LizaWitz View Post
    Are these not pro lenses? I've seen them compared to pro lenses and very favorably, as I understand it. I wouldn't call myself a pro-- but the camera can take just about any lens ever made-- are there better alternatives for less money? If so, what are they?

    What's the relative pricing of the nikkor 14-12 vs the panasonic 7-14?
    If you need a 7-14mm lens for your G(H)1 there is no other one for less money. If you don't mind a bit slower AF the Olympus 9-18 can be an option (and supposedly an easy lens to sell if you don't like it).

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    I don't understand the Panasonic strategy. A 7-14mm zoom at £1.100 is a bit extreme for a system having only 2, or now 3, other lenses in total.

    I mean, we have two kit lenses, a special lens made for video and an extreme UWA zoom. What sort of a lens line-up is that to show for a presumptive buyer?

    From what I have seen the G7-14 isn't bad at all. As I understand it it leans heavily on software correction and this may cause a noticeable lack of definition compared to better corrected lenses. It is not announced as being silent or to have this stepless aperture (or what it is called). It is not weather shielded and it comes without distance scale.

    So, what is the Panasonic idea really? Is it wealthy women out shopping in Tokyo? Family shooters? Movie enthusiasts? "Prosumers"?

    Time will tell but I think Panasonic should work to give the µ4/3 a momentum and bring out lenses building a stable base for future more extreme stuff. What about a fast portrait lens, a really fast normal (in addition to the pancake), a 9-18 or thereabout and then a couple of tele zooms?

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    I believe all of that will come but you are demanding a full lens lineup from a system that's been around for 6 months. That's the main thing to remember and hence why adapted lenses are so important for the time being. I would think that people would be clamoring for more variety in body types as well.

    Good lens design takes time to create and produce. I'd rather them take their time on lenses that fit "the mold" than to just release junk for the sake of a large lens lineup. If the lens doesn't fit your M 4/3 profile then great, look for the alternatives. Until there are competing lenses though Panasonic is free to charge whatever they want. I personally would like them to send me a full set of M 4/3 lenses and adapted Leica M lenses for free but it's not going to happen. We are all speculating on lens quality at this point - especially only having limited jpeg files to compare. If the kit lenses are anything to go by then the 7-14 will be more than adequate in quality for most people.
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    I hope the 7-14 is better than kit lens quality, but generally I agree with you... I bought my G1 specifically to use with my Hexanon legacy lenses, and so the 14-45 kit lens was a bonus. I actually think that it's perfectly fine.

    I hope that the rumour of an Olympus 17mm prime lens is true... I'd love a 35mm EFL prime lens for m4/3rds. It will be interesting to see whether Olympus have full speed CDAF in line with the 14-45mm OIS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I believe all of that will come but you are demanding a full lens lineup from a system that's been around for 6 months. (...) If the kit lenses are anything to go by then the 7-14 will be more than adequate in quality for most people.
    I guess you are replying to me. I didn't know I demanded a full lens line-up. I said I don't understand Panasonic's strategy. Reading your post it seems as you think I demand good stuff for free and if everything isn't to my satisfaction I should leave the area.

    I still don't think an extreme and expensive UWA zoom makes sense as lens No 3 in a new system. Do you, really?

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    Why wouldn't a wide zoom be a good choice? You have a normal zoom, a telephoto zoom, and a wide zoom would be somewhat of a logical choice to many people who want to do landscape photography. Just my opinion. Yes a fast normal prime or a portrait lens makes sense too as does a macro. I'm sure these would be the next 3 options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    I hope the 7-14 is better than kit lens quality, but generally I agree with you... I bought my G1 specifically to use with my Hexanon legacy lenses, and so the 14-45 kit lens was a bonus. I actually think that it's perfectly fine.

    I hope that the rumour of an Olympus 17mm prime lens is true... I'd love a 35mm EFL prime lens for m4/3rds. It will be interesting to see whether Olympus have full speed CDAF in line with the 14-45mm OIS.

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    For the proposed price I hope the lens is much better than kit lens quality too but unlike many kit lenses the 14-45 and 45-200 aren't complete "throw away" lenses. I would like high quality autofocus primes as much as the next person but in the meantime I have a CV 28/2 Ultron and a 50/1.5 Nokton to cover those wants.
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    Re: Panasonic lens prices

    fwiw, there's some 7-14mm samples from a gh1 (and lot's of other lenses)

    here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/minami/...7617372503052/


    has a US MSRP been posted for the 7-14 yet??

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    Thanks for the link icebud, the ISO 400 (-1EV) images look promising... for effectively ISO 800 shots.

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    So ready around the net it seems the 7-14mm is going for about $920 in Japan (street price.) Hopefully we can possibly see it over here for under $1100 before too long.
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    Re: Panasonic lens prices

    I was reading a post on Flikr where someone stated that the Lumix 7-14 could be had for the equivalent of about $920 at some places. I don't think they mentioned a specific place but it was posted a few days prior to me reading it.
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    Protecting the 7-14mm lens from scratches?

    I am new to this forum and have a question about the forthcoming 7-14mm wideangle zoom for the Panasonic G1 and GH1. It does not seem to be threaded, so it will not take a protective filter. Is this lens, which appear to bulge forward slightly, coated with a covering that minimizes random scratches?

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    Re: Protecting the 7-14mm lens from scratches?

    Quote Originally Posted by pnd1 View Post
    I am new to this forum and have a question about the forthcoming 7-14mm wideangle zoom for the Panasonic G1 and GH1. It does not seem to be threaded, so it will not take a protective filter. Is this lens, which appear to bulge forward slightly, coated with a covering that minimizes random scratches?

    Many thanks for your help.

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    Welcome here, Phil! Hope you“ll like it here (and that you get a real answer to your question, not just my ramblings.... )

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    Re: Panasonic lens prices

    Hi Phil,

    welcome indeed!

    I'm afraid the Lumix 7-14, as the Olympus ZD 7-14 does not allow for filters - protective or otherwise... you just have to be careful.

    If you're open to an alternative which does allow filters, check out the Olympus ZD 9-18... you will need a 4/3rds adapter though.

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    Thanks, Per, for those kind words on my pbase instructional site. I am glad you find it useful -- and I welcome the other members of this forum to use it as a reference work on photographic expression. I have heard good things about this forum and look forward to participating in it.

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    Thanks, Brian, for your welcome and your suggestion. I plan to stick to lenses made specifically for the G1, so I guess I'll just have to use its vulnerable 7-14mm wideangle zoom with a lens cap always in hand.

    Thanks,
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    Re: Panasonic lens prices

    Quote Originally Posted by pnd1 View Post
    Thanks, Brian, for your welcome and your suggestion. I plan to stick to lenses made specifically for the G1, so I guess I'll just have to use its vulnerable 7-14mm wideangle zoom with a lens cap always in hand.

    Thanks,
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    Hi Phil,
    I know you liked the v-lux a lot and enjoyed being able to shoot from the hip with the articulated screen. I guess you are enjoying the G1 if you are lens hunting. Your thoughts?

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    Hi,Terry,

    Good to hear from you. I've always cherished the ability to shoot from waist level, and the V-Lux 1 was the ideal all in one travel camera for me until the G1 arrived. So far, I am delighted with the G1 -- it is lightweight, offers a larger flip out viewing screen and a much better EVF than the V Lux 1, and of course renders a cleaner image at higher ISOs. I can use ISOs from 100 to 1000 without any noticeable noise problem. (Such was not the case with the V Lux 1.)

    The G1 also responds more quickly than the V Lux 1, with less lag time, and faster bursts. As far as lenses go, the G1's 14-45mm kit lens does not work well for me -- I keep the 45-200mm telephoto zoom on my G1 all the time. I am pleased with the look it gives to my images, and love its shallow focusing area, and abstracting power. Of course, I am constantly using it along with the Leica D Lux 4, which is always with me. The D-Lux 4 weighs next to nothing, and gives me a fast f/2.0 lens for low light shooting along with a 24-60mm (equivalent) zoom range. This leaves me with a 61-89mm gap, a focal length area I rarely use in my travels. If I find that the G1's telephoto zoom brings me too close to the subject, I can use the D-Lux-4 at 60mm, and if needed, walk forward a bit to fill its frame. Or perhaps I will just back up a bit with the telephoto zoom, if there is room to do so. So far, this combination of cameras is working well for me. The D-Lux 4, which is a clone of the Panasonic LX3, has a very similar menu system to the G1, which is another advantage for me when I am working with the two cameras almost simultaneously.

    As for other possible lenses, I prefer to stay with lenses made specifically for my system. The new 7-14mm wideangle zoom seems to be a natural fit for me. Although I don't really like to have to change lenses in the field, I would gladly accept that tradeoff to be able to add super wideangle coverage embracing such focal lengths as 14mm, 16mm, and 20mm (equivalents). The rumored hefty price tag does not bother me -- a lens such as this should hold its value well and easily earn its keep over a period of time.

    If you check my pbase postings from March and April, you will can see the results of my early field testing of the G1 using the 45-200mm lens. I am more than pleased with both the camera and that lens -- together they provide a remarkable all-around tool for travel photography, and suit my shooting style and needs perfectly.

    Best,
    Phil

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    Hi Phil,

    I find your comments truly refreshing (we're very accustomed to technical minutiae dominating forum discussion) - and hope that you will return here often.

    The ZD 9-18 is fully compatible with the G1... and balances well, but I agree the Lumix 7-14 would be more desirable - I think you'll love the UWA perspective made possible.

    By the way, your cyberbook continues to astound me... it will be a fine legacy, and is a tremendous gift to photographers worldwide.

    I know that the comments are a major part of your cyberbook, but I would love a printed version... have you considered a blurb book?

    Kind Regards

    Brian

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    Thanks Phil,
    I appreciate your thoughts as I've heard you speak about other cameras in the past that I've also used. I went back in to look at your work on line when I posted the last message. It amazes me how you continue to have sooooooooo many publishing worthy images.
    I hadn't really thought about it until Brian just mentioned it but a book through an outlet like Blurb (including your thoughts on the various topics) would definitely find a prominent place on my coffee table.

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    Thanks, Brian and Terry, for your comments on my images and for your suggestions regarding a self-published book based on my cyberbook. I will continue to follow the discussions on this wonderful forum, and contribute what ideas I can. As you note, Brian, I am more concerned with the purpose and effect of photographs, than I am with technical minutiae, so any comments I am likely to post here are more likely to deal with photographic content and meaning, rather than with the fine points of technology.

    I am glad that both of you feel that some of my images may be worthy of publication in print. Now that self publishing is with us, I can see how a printed book based on my internet cyberbook might be feasible and hopefully useful. I have often thought about it, and your enthusiastic comments are encouraging me to think further. Obviously, no printed book would be able to display all 2,633 cyberbook images, as well as the 18,294 interactive comments left beneath them -- that's what the Internet is for. However I will certainly continue to think about an abridged version, containing some of my favorite images and accompanying thoughts. Thanks for your encouragement.

    Phil

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    Great to see you went forward with the book Phil!

    Just took a look, and commented here :
    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=32595636

    Congratulations! will look forward to future versions.

    Kind Regards

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