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    My 7-14 arrived.....

    .....It is tiny. Here it is compared to the 14-45 with and without hood. I think I need to go buy some dust off for my 14-45. This lens is tiny and light.

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    Now compared to a full frame Sigma 12-24 hehe

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    Next up two quick shots


    I tried to put the cars in the corner to see what would happen.


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    More soon....thank you Bill

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    you are welcome Terry, I know you will enjoy, and we are all looking forward to seeing your photos, Bill

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    Re: My 7-14 arrived.....

    terry...ever try Boulette's Larder at the embarcadero? (OT)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    terry...ever try Boulette's Larder at the embarcadero? (OT)
    No, it's been on my list. I do walk over that way every Saturday AM that I'm in the city and go to the Ferry Market. The fruit is now coming in full force and that is my favorite time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    .....It is tiny. Here it is compared to the 14-45 with and without hood. I think I need to go buy some dust off for my 14-45. This lens is tiny and light.
    ...
    Now compared to a full frame Sigma 12-24 hehe
    <LongSlowEmphatic>wow</LongSlowEmphatic>

    man that is sweet. I'm quite interested in this lens as I retired my Tokina 12-24 and 10D with the idea of getting this lens for my G1. I wonder how the Sigma compares to the Tokina in size? Dunno, but these two lenses (7-14 & 14-45) make the G1 into one light n tidy travel camera.

    looking forward to seeing some of your images from this lens

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    Re: My 7-14 arrived.....

    congrats on you new glass, Terry.
    Having one myself (my first UWA), I'm sure you'll like it.
    If you use a RAW convertor that doesn't take lens data into account, you'll even gain extra angle of view !

    Did you know we have a topic for these UWA pics ?

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7089

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    Oh Terry
    I want one too!
    What a lovely lens - still, it's not much use to me yet.
    Tell me - what are the corners like at, say, 8mm at f5.6?

    Roll on the Olympus offering.

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    Me toooooooo!!!

    Congratulations Terry - I'd love to see some serious landscapes with this lens.

    Kind Regards

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    Re: My 7-14 arrived.....

    I'm going to take it to work and maybe go out towards the beach after work.

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    Hi Terry

    Its has been too long a time without my posts.

    Where did u purchase the Lens???

    Most of my sources don't have the lens, and don't know when it will be available.

    Thanks.

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    Bill Wilby @ contact photo arts. See his post above

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    Re: My 7-14 arrived.....

    Two similar shots from the 7-14 one at 7mm and the other at 12mm




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    Beautiful images Terry

    Which raw converter are you using?

    Thanks for sharing.

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    These look great Terry. This type of photo is where ultra wide angle lenses excel and our 7-14 looks like a good one.

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    Hi Brian,
    They were both done in Lightroom. Not toooo much done to them. Outside my normal processing I did bump up the saturation a tiny bit as we had some bad lighting this morning.

    Mark,
    This lens is sweet! So tiny and light and it certainly gets the job done.

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    Re: My 7-14 arrived.....

    Nice Terry!!!

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    I WANT ONE!!! Nice photos of the canyon.
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    The rafters in the river give a size context to the river canyon--nice shots. I can remember, as an Easterner, as being awed by the immensity of it all. The WA gives one a feeling of the --well, can't think of anything else but 'vastness'.

    I hate to ask it here, but did you take similar shots with the Sony and the 12-24??

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Hi Brian,
    They were both done in Lightroom. Not toooo much done to them. Outside my normal processing I did bump up the saturation a tiny bit as we had some bad lighting this morning.

    Mark,
    This lens is sweet! So tiny and light and it certainly gets the job done.
    So cool... I think this is going to be an expensive month... I don't know whether to or

    Does Lightroom do distortion correction etc, as defined by Panasonic lens data?

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Two similar shots from the 7-14 one at 7mm and the other at 12mm
    thans for posting these comparisons. I've been wondering about the wide end of the scale on my G1 and really feeling like the 14mm is not wide enough. On 35mm a 24mm is about where I like (although I also like the Oly 21mm). I'm worried that the 7mm end will be a little wide for my preferences which leads me to ask:

    what's it like in the middle of the scale? For example the 14-45 is better at full wide than it is in the middle of the scale if you ask me ... so how have you felt about this one at something like 10mm?

    I keep wondering if I would be better served with a 5D and my 21mm lens, cost of a 5D used is about the same as this lens but I just wanted to avoid the weight issues.

    thanks for your inputs

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    I bought the 9-18 and use it with the MA-1 adaptor. Its similar in size to the 7-14 but the adaptor adds a bit of length (its a middle of the road Oly so I don't know how it stacks up against the Panny 7-14 IQ wise). I knew that I didn't shoot much at the 12 end of my Sigma 12-24 on my 5D so expected that the 9-18 would serve my purposes fine.

    I'm not sure what 21mm lens you are thinking about on the 5D. I have a Sigma 20 f/1.8 (which is a bit larger than the Canon 20mm--but I tried both and liked the Sigma better) and the combo with the 5D is very bulky. I haven't given up my 5D and WAs for the G1 and WAZ, but am thinking about it--I did some stitched wides and they printed beautifully at 16 x 24. The weight issue for me makes a difference in a lot of situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diane B View Post
    I bought the 9-18 and use it with the MA-1 adaptor.
    ok ...

    I knew that I didn't shoot much at the 12 end of my Sigma 12-24 on my 5D so expected that the 9-18 would serve my purposes fine.
    sounds like me ... I did have the Tokina 12-24 but it vignets on the full frame after about 18mm anyway.

    I'm not sure what 21mm lens you are thinking about on the 5D. I have a
    the Oly 21 mentioned about my first paragraph. I have an OM -> EOS adaptor and its works nicely. I suspect hoever there will be some metering issues based on the reports of others, however it must be a focus screen thing as my trusty film EOS 630 has not the slightest problem.

    Sigma 20 f/1.8 (which is a bit larger than the Canon 20mm--but I tried both and liked the Sigma better) and the combo with the 5D is very bulky.
    that's how I felt about the Tokina 12-24 on a 10D (which would be about the same bulk as a 5D).

    I haven't given up my 5D and WAs for the G1 and WAZ, but am thinking about it--I did some stitched wides and they printed beautifully at 16 x 24. The weight issue for me makes a difference in a lot of situations.
    again we're in the same page for strategy, and while that works for me for somethings I find that on other occasions a wide just works better (like interiors without a tripod for careful camera rotations)

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    Re: My 7-14 arrived.....

    If you can afford it, I would get the 7-14. It is really hard to get an idea of how small/light it is until you hold it in your had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    If you can afford it, I would get the 7-14. It is really hard to get an idea of how small/light it is until you hold it in your had.
    well, its not the money that puts me off the 7-14 ... its that I really like using a polarizer in moist broad leaf foilage under the canopy to get that sheen off the leaves, and I don't think the 7-14 can accept a filter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
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    well, its not the money that puts me off the 7-14 ... its that I really like using a polarizer in moist broad leaf foilage under the canopy to get that sheen off the leaves, and I don't think the 7-14 can accept a filter.
    Correct on filters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    So cool... I think this is going to be an expensive month... I don't know whether to or

    Does Lightroom do distortion correction etc, as defined by Panasonic lens data?

    Cheers

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    I believe all the Adobe products do the Panasonic corrections (which is why I use Lightroom 2 for both the G1 and the D-Lux 4.) People actually were complaining because there's no way to view the image without corrections (why they would want to I have no idea) and the Linear DNG conversion file sizes are rather large.
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    Pellicle a polarizer on an ultra wide lens can give some curious results. If you must have a filter thread, the Olympus 9-18 has one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Pellicle a polarizer on an ultra wide lens can give some curious results. If you must have a filter thread, the Olympus 9-18 has one.
    sure ... mainly with skies, I think. anything else? But I'm thinking of the 9-18 exactly :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    If you can afford it, I would get the 7-14. It is really hard to get an idea of how small/light it is until you hold it in your had.
    I would likely agree with Terry. I didn't want to spend the money and wanted the MA-1 anyhow. I use a WAZ less than any other lens, so my decision was pretty easy, but if size/weight are important and you can swing it, then I would go the 7-14 route. You don't have to shoot at 7mm LOL--Terry showed that the 14mm is very good also, so I'm sure that the 10 is--and I guarantee you that there's no comparison with that and a 5D and a 20mm weight/size wise *smile* .

    That being said, I do like the 9-18 and when you compare specs, the 9-18 is actually just a hair shorter and lighter. I think it is a bit wider--and has a largish hood.

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    Hi Diane,
    Thanks and in no way was my post meant to "dis" the 9-18. It is just that the 7-14 is so shocking. It is actually slight smaller than the 14-45 with hood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Hi Diane,
    Thanks and in no way was my post meant to "dis" the 9-18. It is just that the 7-14 is so shocking. It is actually slight smaller than the 14-45 with hood.
    Totally understood. I've had my moments wondering if I made a mistake in not waiting for the 7-14, but in the end, its all good LOL.

    OT--I'm wondering if at some time in your 'spare' moments, you might consider writing up something about carrying 2 systems-- be it one quite small-- on a workshop--mainly aimed at women 'cause the men don't give a hoot about size/weight LOL. However, they might get something from it also. I'm guessing you didn't have to do too much hiking around on this workshop--no long treks, but still--didn't you have to hustle all your gear for each shot no matter where you went? And--in the end, what did you carry, bagwise, and did it work out for the whole shebang? Could you add the tripod to the bag or did you carry it separately--possibly with its own strap or -------

    We're going to do a short trip through the Smokies next week--I'm going to carry the 5D and G1. Having issues how to carry it all--in the end 2 bags, but the SS 200 will easily carry the 2 cameras and a couple extra lens for both--but not a complete setup as you probably had with you. Still--there I am torn because we may hike a bit ( not long but possibly steep) and the SS100 is the better for the G1 for that purpose. Luckily have hidey holes for the rest of my gear (plus laptop) in car IF no one sees where I took my gear from and assumes I have more.

    To add---I've never carried 2 systems--just backup bodies, so it is different. I know a number of you have done this--just wondering how you felt about it, etc.

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    Re: My 7-14 arrived.....

    Does anyone know where I can find a 7-14 these days? I've tried searching around, and can't seem to find one. Is the lens officially released yet?

    Also - has anyone heard when the 20/1.7 will be hitting the shelves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Hatam View Post
    Does anyone know where I can find a 7-14 these days? I've tried searching around, and can't seem to find one. Is the lens officially released yet?

    Also - has anyone heard when the 20/1.7 will be hitting the shelves?

    Mike
    Mike, it doesn't appear its readily available in US. Bill Willby in Canada has had some (that's where Terry got hers)--www.contactphotoarts.com.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    I believe all the Adobe products do the Panasonic corrections (which is why I use Lightroom 2 for both the G1 and the D-Lux 4.) People actually were complaining because there's no way to view the image without corrections (why they would want to I have no idea) and the Linear DNG conversion file sizes are rather large.
    The new version of the Adobe DNG converter does 'ordinary' DNG conversions - no longer those huge 'half cooked' linear files. They don't have the lens corrections in them (for better or worse)

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    Diane,
    Funny you should ask the question about two systems. I was going to take two to Iceland. Then I finally convinced myself to buy a backup A900 when one hit the buy sell here. I missed out on getting that one (found out on the drive to the Grand Canyon). So, for this trip I did bring two systems and it's changed my mind about what I'm taking to Iceland. The G1 is going along with me. However, there are caveats to where for others it could be useful or detrimental.
    1. I wore the G1 across my body with a "y-strap".
    2. I kept a different zoom on the G1 vs the Sony to cover greater focal lenths.
    3. I am intimately familiar with the G1 controls and can get my settings instinctively.


    With those three points in mind, I think the G1 pulls it off due to weight/size as it is barely noticable to me. Conversely, I can't imagine having two A900s going without clunking something around. It is big. Also, after the trip one A900 would be just sitting in the closet.

    One thing to be clear about. If I didn't have full confidence in the IQ I would get from the G1, it would be useless because I wouldn't grab for it.
    I also tried to get the critical focal length on the Sony and fill in with the G1.

    This won't work for a lot of people but I felt comfortable with the kit

    All from iPhone. Typos excused!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Diane,
    Funny you should ask the question about two systems. I was going to take two to Iceland.

    I'll be interested to know how you go with the two systems. I've gone with the G1 because it seems to me that in terms of image quality a G1 is capable of equaling a 5D.

    Certainly at the telephoto end the 4/3 has substantial benefits. However its at the wide end which I'm still scratching my head.

    I'm currently still working with two formats (full frame 35mm and m4/3rds) and find that I'm having logistical issues with adaptors carrying kits and what not. Its annoying to get into the field and find you've left an adaptor behind. I can imagine with two systems you may have similar problems.

    Perhaps like you I sling my G1 between loops on my shoulder straps on my pack for easy access. This is the reason why I value light weight. I have found I just don't like stripping my pack to take a shot. So having compact stuff that is robust (allowing me to pack it on accessible areas of the pack) is an important component.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pellicle View Post
    Hi

    I'll be interested to know how you go with the two systems. I've gone with the G1 because it seems to me that in terms of image quality a G1 is capable of equaling a 5D.
    I'm not sure I believe that, though it certainly depends on what/how you shoot and your final delivery (and if you pixel peep). I compare roughly equivalent shots between my g/f's G1 and my Pentax K20d and while the G1 is good, with good glass the K20d gives a better file. Just as I'd expect a 5D or a900 to give a better file. There is no free lunch...but if you do iq/lb the G1 likely wins

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    The new version of the Adobe DNG converter does 'ordinary' DNG conversions - no longer those huge 'half cooked' linear files. They don't have the lens corrections in them (for better or worse)
    Well, I still get 42MB files when I convert, with the latest DNG converter.
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    I did play around with pixel peeping last month. I don't print above 16 x 24 any more, so that was my goal. I think some G1 files may print okay at that size, but I know they are good at 11 x 17 (I shot the same thing with G1 and 5D, tried to match FL, DOF, etc.)--and I print a lot more smaller prints nowadays and am really happy with those G1 files. But--I also learned that a 2 over 2 pano on tripod, even with fine foliage, is a great file for a large print so that calmed any fears I had. I shoot with a 5D--and yes, there is some difference with DR--but, knowing that, I can bracket. I'm becoming more and more comfortable with the G1--and Terry's use of it in 'iffy' situations seems to confirm it. I'm not saying my 5D and G1 are comparable, but I did find that almost no one could tell the difference between my 11 x 17 prints--both RAWs, etc. I knew--and so its hard to overcome biases--but I'm getting there for many situations.

    I am taking my 5D this week--but I bet I shoot more with the G1. For starters--its more fun LOL. Like Terry, I'm totally comfortable with G1 controls so can get exactly what I want quickly. I'm not taking a lot of alternative lenses--just one fast for the G1--and I've decided not to take the T/S at all. The kit just got too big for enjoyment. When I'm going with David I also have to consider not going into 'Zen' mode--and be a good companion also. Time enough for that when I go off on my own shooting. I've put my G9 into his hands instead of his F30 this time (maybe I can get him to think about an EP-1 for the future).

    I've looked at that Y strap--think I may have to get one--that seems an excellent solution. The idea of filling FL seemed good to me also--putting the critical one on the main cam (but then you also have 25MP vs. 12 to consider--I don't, but have other considerations). I'll have to decide which one I want on which camera--since most of my shooting will be static, it should be easier this trip but I'm thinking future--and thought I should strike while the iron was hot--i.e., while you (Terry) still remembered how you felt about shooting on this trip with that gear.

    Thanks for the little review.

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    Re: My 7-14 arrived.....

    Diane,
    I only took the three Pansonic G1 lenses with me. That plus the body really didn't take up much space in my bag. The only other lens I'm considering for Iceland is the Oly pancake. I am not taking the 25 lux. On my Sony kit, I took 4 lenses: 12-24, 24-70, 70-300 and 135. I left the 24-105 which is a great walk around lens at home.
    Also, I was working off a tripod about half of the time, so it is nice to have a second camera going.

    In the slot canyons, next time, I would NOT bring the Sony in unless I had a private viewing (LOL). The tilting LCD with live view made shooting at odd angles with lots of people MUCH easier.

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    Re: My 7-14 arrived.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    The new version of the Adobe DNG converter does 'ordinary' DNG conversions - no longer those huge 'half cooked' linear files. They don't have the lens corrections in them (for better or worse)
    Well when you leave them in Lightroom they stay in the 10-15 MB range and have the corrections to begin with.

    The reason the Linear are so large is it layers 3 images on top of each other I believe for RGB purposes... I believe that was the way it was explained. I just like Lightroom personally and it's easy and quick to get into for my purposes. That's not to say other programs are worse but LR2 does what I need it to do and works great with both of my cameras. That said I know you're pretty much into Aperture (and I like it too) but I wouldn't let my software dictate my use of a product - fully. That's just my thing though... No offense toward you.
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