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The P65+ is a completely different animal, including pixel binning + technology.I would expect the S2 with its 6 micron ccd sensor pixels to have about the same high iso performance as the new Phase 65's which I think has the same pixel size.
Yes Phase one, Mamiya and Hasselblad new digital glass, actually I wasn't the one doing the test but I was present since my interest in moving to MF, test showed variations in all formats, and great resolution charts and performance coming form every manufacturer, also there was more then one copy for each lens, and in some cases copy variation was very evident.Well, I hope you tested digital MF lenses and not older film ones.
Regarding your 400 ISO experience ... doesn't really matter. What matters is what Leica from the get-go (over a year ago) promised and still hasn't delivered upon. The first revolutionary MF camera that offers DSLR like easiness of use and can shoot up to ISO 1600.
Having said that, to give respect where respect indeed is due, Leica did bring us something new and exciting. The S2 is the very first weather-sealed studio camera. Hurray!
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Sorry I was a little off on the # of AF points for both cameras:Not sure what you mean by far superior?
The new 7D and 1d4 share the same new AF and intelligent metering technology with the same dual digic 4 chips. The differences are:
1. more AF sensors 52 vs. 36
2. cross pt sensors are functional with f5.6 or faster lenses vs. f2.8 for the 7d
3. speed, 10fps vs. 8
other non-AF related differences
4. bigger pro tank body vs. smaller prosumer body
5. dual card slots vs. single card slot
6. 16MP APS-H sensor vs. 18MP APS-C sensor, better high iso less reach vs.more reach and poorer high iso.
7. slightly faster flash sync speed
8. $5k vs $1.7k
What I was trying to say earlier is that the new AF and intelligent exposure metering system which will be common for 7d, 1d4, and 1ds4 looks excellent and has fixed some of the problems identified in the 1d3 AF system. The 7d has all the custom functions for AF like the 1 series.
As LJ was saying earlier, the 7d is an interesting new unique dslr system which is between the 50d line and the 1d line. I have a 1ds3,5d, 1d2n and now a 7d. I understand wanting a pro body for out in the field. I think the 7d is a good option for a 2nd body, one which would give you much more reach which is needed for things like bird photography.I like carrying both a FF camera for landscape and a crop camera with fast AF for wildlife/birding. I went with the 7D instead of 1d4 gaining extra reach and saving $3.3k for use soon when I upgrade my 1ds3 to a 1ds4.With the recent shorter life cycle of pro dslrs, one has to take into account more the rapid depreciation of these bodies which is expensive. Not quite as bad as MFDB but then they get special upgrade path deals.
I was making the noise comparison at a pixel level basis and not on the whole image with no pixel binning.Yes, at the full image level, the P65+ has sensor size advantag and would be much better when normalizing for the same FOV.The P65+ is a completely different animal, including pixel binning + technology.
I think it is borderline ridiculous to compare a 37.5 MP sensor with a 65 MP one.