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    Special Limited Edition Noctilux-M

    Leica has just announced a special, limited edition Noctilux. These will be the very last 100 Noctiluxes ever made. They come in a special, custom humidor box hand-made by Elie Bleu Tabletier in Paris. Only 100 are being offered world-wide, which means only a handful will be offered in the US.

    Price is $16,100 for this collectable edition. Delivery will start in July 2008.

    You can check out more info on our website:

    Leica Special Edition Noctilux-M 50mm f/1.0
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    Re: Special Limited Edition Noctilux-M

    So you're paying $10,000...
    for a wooden box...
    albeit a remarkably beautiful...
    wooden box.

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    Re: Special Limited Edition Noctilux-M

    Oh yea put me first in line to buy a lens i can't shoot. Problem is some num nut will buy them. They need to make product that sells to users not collectors
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    Re: Special Limited Edition Noctilux-M

    I'd like a free PDF copy of the booklet, please. I already have the noct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Oh yea put me first in line to buy a lens i can't shoot. Problem is some num nut will buy them. They need to make product that sells to users not collectors
    Guy,

    Leica collecting is a whole other world. People will pay tens of thousands for an original MP. Non-working prototypes fetch four or five figures. Limited release lenses like the 35-70 Vario-Elmarit sell used for 3 times what they cost new. Hey, forget lenses and Leica... think about special edition watches, cars, motorcycles, handbags, shoes (!!!), stamps, coins, etc. Would you call a purchaser of a Chronoswiss Regulateur a Tourbillon Squelette nuts for spending $65,000? You can buy a watch for 10 bucks that tells the time, but the Chronoswiss is a work of art and made in limited numbers.

    Leica is not desperate or opportunistic. This is the oldest product in manufacture right now, introduced in 1976. It has always held a certain mystique. Leica is just giving collectors and the lens itself a send-off worthy of a legend. I'm sure this set will increase in value as time goes on.

    I'm told that the hand-made humidor alone costs roughly half of the price! Apparently these are some of the best humidors made in the world. It would seem that people even collect boxes.

    Wait till Photokina and you will see products made to be used. But, give Leica and Leica collectors a break. To each their own passions and addictions.

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    Re: Special Limited Edition Noctilux-M

    But Guy, you can store your cigars and your Noctilux in the same box...I'm waiting for the gold plated M8 to be the suprise at Photokinia then one can have a bling bling around their wing wing
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    Might be time to sell my Noctilux. For $16,000, I will throw in the M8 too and a humidor made to fit

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfarkas View Post
    Guy,

    Leica collecting is a whole other world. People will pay tens of thousands for an original MP. Non-working prototypes fetch four or five figures. Limited release lenses like the 35-70 Vario-Elmarit sell used for 3 times what they cost new. Hey, forget lenses and Leica... think about special edition watches, cars, motorcycles, handbags, shoes (!!!), stamps, coins, etc. Would you call a purchaser of a Chronoswiss Regulateur a Tourbillon Squelette nuts for spending $65,000? You can buy a watch for 10 bucks that tells the time, but the Chronoswiss is a work of art and made in limited numbers.

    Leica is not desperate or opportunistic. This is the oldest product in manufacture right now, introduced in 1976. It has always held a certain mystique. Leica is just giving collectors and the lens itself a send-off worthy of a legend. I'm sure this set will increase in value as time goes on.

    I'm told that the hand-made humidor alone costs roughly half of the price! Apparently these are some of the best humidors made in the world. It would seem that people even collect boxes.

    Wait till Photokina and you will see products made to be used. But, give Leica and Leica collectors a break. To each their own passions and addictions.

    David
    I know, I know . i just cringe when i see the money spent on collecting. I like to use the stuff to much to stick it in a box with my Cubans cigars. Just me i am not a rat packer . It does not get used in a week it is sold. LOL
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    BTW, did anybody tell David we met a kid on a skateboard in OLD San Juan who said he used to work for Dale ? He recognized the Leicas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robsteve View Post
    BTW, did anybody tell David we met a kid on a skateboard in OLD San Juan who said he used to work for Dale ? He recognized the Leicas.

    Robert
    I assume that you met Jose. Good kid. He decided to move back to PR about six months ago.

    Small world, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robsteve View Post
    BTW, did anybody tell David we met a kid on a skateboard in OLD San Juan who said he used to work for Dale ? He recognized the Leicas.

    Robert
    so where are the action shots of the skate boarders!

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    Re: Special Limited Edition Noctilux-M

    For the love of God....

    So, for the price of an M8, a Noct plus a couple of nice Asph lenses you get a Noct (that will still need to go to Solms for calibration) and a humidor. Nice margins if you can (and they will) sell them.

    As for the humidor...I tried more types of humidors than I can count for my various 'gars (there are some benefits to being Canadian....;>)over the years . Conditioned them, etc., etc. They looked really nice, but the best cigar keeper by far? A large tupperware container with the humidification unit (really just $0.10 of florists foam in a grilled housing) from my last 'real' humidor (nice unit, birds-eye maple) that my wife now uses for some potpourri. Pop the top every couple of days to ensure they don't get (gasp) too moist and Bob's your Aunt.

    Don't know whether to laugh or just light a cigar and quietly shake my head....Collectors, ya gotta love'm.
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    Re: Special Limited Edition Noctilux-M

    In a small way, my horizons have been broadened today I had no idea such things existed. This reminds me of the suede-lined cherry boxes Leica issued as dealer displays for the A La Carte program a few years ago: Those were really, really well made.

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    Still got the nasty plastic lens hood I note.

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    Re: Special Limited Edition Noctilux-M

    Can I get it with with a Komodo Dragon leather focusing ring?

    I had hoped Leica was past this sort of nonsense but I see they are not.

    Just make the last hundred and send them out as they would any other lens.

    They don't need to be talking to Elie Bleu Tabletier about boxes but to production engineers about a cheaper introduction model.

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    Far be it from me to tell others what to do with their money but this is quite remarkable.

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    Re: Special Limited Edition Noctilux-M

    Well then
    If that means that Leica gets $1.6 million to go towards R&D for the next M, then that suits me down to the ground. Just as long as I don't have to pay $16000 for a second noctilux (with a nasty plastic lenshade)

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    Is there a discount for buying more than one If you think this is expensive check out this article in the NY Times and see what some folks are willing to pay for antique furniture.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/22/garden/22hobbs.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by matmcdermott View Post
    So you're paying $10,000...
    for a wooden box...
    albeit a remarkably beautiful...
    wooden box.
    That's a damn expensive box – It costs more than the lens.

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    Re: Special Limited Edition Noctilux-M

    Two questions: Do they figure that the fact that the lenses will never be mounted on a camera will cut down on the need to correct their focus problems, and does this lens (and its announcement) have anything to do with photography?

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    Re: Special Limited Edition Noctilux-M

    16k is a new VW for my daughter. After her graduation from HS last night if I came home with this , she would probably put the rope around my neck and she would be smart to do it. LOL

    Too me that would be graduating with honors.
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    Re: Special Limited Edition Noctilux-M

    What will the $16,000 Volkswagen be worth in ten years?

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    I'm both amused and amazed by the strong reactions (both here and on other Leica/RF forums) to this small special edition.

    First of all, there are still used Noctilux lenses advertised for sale on a fairly regular basis, so it's not as if taking the last 100 out of circulation is going to prevent anyone who is already in the market from acquiring and using one.

    Secondly, while none us who are interested in actually using the lens would spend that much extra money for the box and other trappings, I'm not at all sure that it won't be a good investment for those who do acquire them. Let's face it, the Noctilux will remain a legendary lens for good reason in my view for a very long time to come. And those who like to collect are likely to consider these final production examples to be very attractive.

    Finally, while I am lucky to have originally bought mine at under $3,000 before prices began to spiral out of control, I am not celebrating their escalation in value. I say that because I do not plan to sell, and am increasingly uncomfortable with the idea of taking the lens on trips to places which are not especially safe. Replacing an M8, or any my other lenses, I can deal with. But the time is fast approaching when it won't be so easy to do so with a Noctilux.

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    Re: Special Limited Edition Noctilux-M

    If Solms had to satisfy their burning desire to produce yet another borderline silly collector edition, in stead of a 2x price on the lens plus a $6000 cigar keeper, they would have been better served instead to offer something like:

    1. The last 100 Nocts paired with a custom-matched/calibrated a la carte M8 at a lower price or
    2. Maybe a Low Light Set commemorating the last 100 Nocts by the above + say a matching serial number 35/1.4 (or a last of the spare parts bin 75/1.4s) for the $16K.

    But $16K for an off the shelf $5000 lens and (what is effectively) fancy cedar-lined wooden box? That's a lot of rubles for 3 serial number digits.

    Also, the OP's post didn't mention anything along the lines of custom 'Last 100' engraving on the barrel a la the CZ 85/1.2, etc. So, given Leica's sometimes 'erratic' serial number record keeping, will anyone, 10 yrs from now, even know, with any certainty, if the Noct in that box they're thinking of buying is one of the last 100?

    Hell, at least they could have filled the humidor with 25 of Fidel's bespoke Cohibas.

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    Re: Special Limited Edition Noctilux-M

    I don't know why anybody cares. When they sell it will be more cash for Leica and for the existing Noctilux owners, it just makes our lenses worth more.

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    Robert

    It's cash for Leica, but can't see it doing anything for existing Noct prices - other than fact that production is coming to an end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robsteve View Post
    I don't know why anybody cares. When they sell it will be more cash for Leica and for the existing Noctilux owners, it just makes our lenses worth more.

    Robert
    I quite agree . . . added to which, if they 'invent' $1000000 profit with this, then how many years will that pay for a good R&D guy?

    (I don't know the answer to this, but it must be at least three weeks).

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    Robert

    It's cash for Leica, but can't see it doing anything for existing Noct prices - other than fact that production is coming to an end.
    Only time will tell on the Noctilux used price. I am betting it will go up, particularly on a Noctilux that focuses well like mine.

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    Re: Special Limited Edition Noctilux-M

    Tony you bring up a good point and reason I sold my 35-70 2.8 R lens. I hated the fact that i had a 6k or more lens in my bag that i could damage , lose or get stolen at any given moment. As a Pro i work fast and anything can happen at any given time. I know i have insurance but having a lens you CANNOT replace easily was just to dangerous.

    As far as a 16k Nocti, frankly never in my wildest dreams but that is me . i really don't care what people spend there money on. To me it is certainly not worth the investment but than again i am a working class guy with not the means to invest like this but many are so good for them. I rather spend it on more useful gear that I can actually use and make money from. But almost any Pro will say the same thing , there tools and for us that is all they are.
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    Re: Special Limited Edition Noctilux-M

    I posted this on photo.net, but I guess my problem is not with the fact that the noctilux is expensive, its that they are charging such an ungodly amount for a lens that is IDENTICAL to the normal noctilux, only in a fancy box and with a special number. With the other special editions you got something just that -- different from what the regular products get you. Now, everyone went crazy when the Titanium M7 kit went for 10,000 dollars, and that was an M7 made out of titanium, along with a 50mm f/1.4 ASPH made of titanium, some book or something etc, only 50 or so. At least that was unobtainable otherwise, looked different (and cool, frankly), and it weighed less than the normal model. Same thing with the MP3 -- it was far cheaper, it looked special and came with a different type of lens that had a marginally different functionality. Anyway, I sort of understand those, though I would not buy them, because their price premium was based on the fact that the actually WERE different. This Noctilux (the lens alone) is more expensive (3 times as much as the MP3 and lens!), yet the only difference is the serial number and the humidor. I know I shouldn't be offended, but I am. It just strikes me as if they are even insulting the collectors.

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    I own a couple of VW’s, and in 10-years they’ll likely still have some utility despite the $200.00 fill-ups. As for the dehumidifier, my son uses the $15.00 rubber tubular style for his 5k hand-made jazz guitars. Then again, here in Arizona, humidity isn't high most of the time so I guess that's an environmental perk. Just knowing that many Nocti’ owners paid less than 3k not too long ago is enough to keep me from wanting one. I have a hard time as it is, rationalizing the 9k I vested in three Leica primes. Then again, I’m just a retired Army sergeant with a meager means.
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    When I was young, we were so poor that we couldn't afford to buy our Leicas packaged in French humidors, no, ours came in these plain cardboard boxes; I was so ashamed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robsteve View Post
    particularly on a Noctilux that focuses well like mine.
    I always wanted a Noctilux, but was appalled at the prices they brought. Then last fall an older example, one with the detachable hood, fell into my lap at a local estate auction.

    This isn't an easy lens to use by any means. The DOF at 1.0 or 1.2 in normal shooting conditions makes for OOF photos as a result of operator error regardless of how well adjusted the lens may be. I wonder if more than a few of the complaints folks have with their lenses result from it being so much more difficult to use than other 50mm lenses.

    It has taken me six months to get good control of it. Now I rarely take it off my camera.

    Plus, I'm developing these cool Popeye forearms from carrying the thing.

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    DaveB
    Yeah, that’s exactly how I would have to end up owning one. I dream of stumbling across a lens like this at some cheesy garage sale where the person doesn’t know or care of it’s true value. As it is, I'm one of those unlucky guys' who ends up paying full-ticket for stuff because I never seem to be in the right place ($) at the right time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    1. The last 100 Nocts paired with a custom-matched/calibrated a la carte M8
    That would have made more sense to me considering the difficulty of getting these fast lens dialed in. At least it would have leveraged their expertise and products and had something more to do with actually taking pictures. Selling a cigar box worth more then the lens as a commemoration to a legendary optic is kind of lame.

    If they put an M3 finder with just the 50 frame line at the 50 position and a blacked out M8 camera with black logo that would have been even better. Less outside costs to. I'm sure they paid a lot for the cigar boxes, better they move another 100 M8's.

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    i find this trick grossly offensive. lenses are made to shoot with them. nobody in a right mind will shoot with a 16K lens. so, leica consciously makes a piece of photo equipment that surely will never be used for its intended purpose. it sucks.

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    Re: Special Limited Edition Noctilux-M

    Well, I know I find this a bit out there, but at least it is not as bad as that telephoto that Zeiss made...a telephoto lens so stupid, a human being cannot even lift it. It is the tsar pushka of camera lenses. I wonder what kind of box THAT comes in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 4season View Post
    When I was young, we were so poor that we couldn't afford to buy our Leicas packaged in French humidors, no, ours came in these plain cardboard boxes; I was so ashamed.
    Rightfully so...especially if you still have said lenses. Some self-mutilation may be required.
    -----

    $16K for low-volume high-end gear? No worries - but at least make it look like it's worth something resembling what you're asking for it.

    I can see some Marketing 'genius' coming up with the idea (they have to do something all day long), but how it ever got through executive approval REALLY makes me wonder what in the hell Solms is up to.

    Summarit lenses one day (nice) and then $16,000 for a normal production Noct in a humidor with $1.00 worth of desiccant in it vs. the usual florists foam (can't recall real name for the stuff) the next.

    Nice focused strategy you've got there guys... keep it up.

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    I'm hoping that Leica uses the profits to help subsidize the R10 prices in the US of A. (Under $5K, he dreamed).

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    The profit margins are higher on bottled water. And some of us continue to buy what is essentially filtered tap water. Are you one of them?

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    Re: Special Limited Edition Noctilux-M

    Another one of those ideas by Leica to sell all of their Nocti's.

    I must say I really hate this behavior and I absolutely dislike offers like this or the "First M8" etc.

    Leica for me is something to work with and not to collect. Shame on this!

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