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    Looking for recommendations for Wide angles for M8

    Hi all

    Im looking to acquire a wide angle lens for my M8 this year does anyone have any suggestions for any that can be bought for not too much money ( I know I know, cheap and leica are mutually exclusive)

    But I have been looking at some neat vintage LTM wide angles, Canon Serenars, Nikon Nikkors , and the soviet industars and Jupiters.but are any of them decent or is it a crapshoot?. How about the older summarons or elmars ? I have a weird vintage lens fetish so that may work out to my advantage also but I am not up to speed on how they work

    How are the ZM Zeiss and CV lenses? they seem a lot more affordable to me, but the main reason I bought the M8 was to have access to the leica glass , so Im not sure if I want to go that route though I have seen some great shots taken with the M9

    Like I said I have some coin burning a hole in my pocket and having excess cash is a rarity now that Im on disability , so give me some ideas/sugestions etc.

    Thanks in advance

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    Re: Looking for recommendations for Wide angles for M8

    What is a "wide" to you?

    FWIW, is it wise thing to say: "Like I said I have some coin burning a hole in my pocket .." in a Leica forum? LOL.

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    Re: Looking for recommendations for Wide angles for M8

    Like Vivek said, ' how wide '?

    Some zeiss zm wides are not cheap!!
    cv has the 12 and 15mm. Relatively ' cheap ' as in price.

    If an apprx 28mm would do, the zm 21/4.5 is a gem of a lens.

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    My favorite lens on the M8 was the Zeiss Biogon T* 2,8/25 ZM, bar none - but of course, that comes out to about a 33mm lens. How wide did you have in mind?

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    Re: Looking for recommendations for Wide angles for M8

    My apologies, I mean something 35mm or wider , but preferably 28 or less , for cheap prices, well Ive been lucky so far, my cron ( smal scratches) was 400 , my 135 elmarit was 300 and my elmar 90 was 60 ( scratched again!)

    I was trying to see if I could get something around 500 . but if that wasnt going to work, I was going to save up a bit longer .

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    Re: Looking for recommendations for Wide angles for M8

    I use a Voigtländer Color Skopar 21mm f/4 on both my Ricoh GXR-M and Leica M9.

    On the GXR-M's 16x24mm format, it is pleasantly wide but not extremely so (the 'A12 28mm' camera unit presents a slightly wider FoV with an 18mm optical focal length). Very little if any color shifting in this configuration, and very sharp/contrasty throughout the aperture range.

    Used with the M9, it presents an ultra-wide focal length. I process the raw files with CornerFix fairly often as there is a bit of color shifting and falloff apparent. Again, very good results from it. And a not too terrible price.

    An M8 would fall between these two for FoV and likely be more similar to the M9 in terms of sensor behavior.

    (The Zeiss Biogon 25mm f/2.8 T* ZM lens is simply one of the best lenses in this focal length available. I'd like one, someday. It's effective FoV on the M8 is about the same as the 21mm on the Ricoh GXR-M.)

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    Indeed, the Color Skopar lenses are sweet. Small, cheap and rather good. I've got a bunch of 'em and they make a great set to travel with or stash in your pockets. They're *that* small. The 21 and 28 would be good options - the 25 not so much (it's not RF coupled).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    Indeed, the Color Skopar lenses are sweet. Small, cheap and rather good. I've got a bunch of 'em and they make a great set to travel with or stash in your pockets. They're *that* small. The 21 and 28 would be good options - the 25 not so much (it's not RF coupled).
    The M-mount version of the 25mm f/4 is rangefinder coupled.
    The older, LTM mount version wasn't.

    Cosina/Voigtländer reissued the 21, 25 and 35 mm Color Skopars in M-mount, didn't do so with the 28 and 50 mm for some reason. I have all but the 25mm. They are nice performers and reasonably priced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude163 View Post
    My apologies, I mean something 35mm or wider , but preferably 28 or less , for cheap prices, well Ive been lucky so far, my cron ( smal scratches) was 400 , my 135 elmarit was 300 and my elmar 90 was 60 ( scratched again!)

    I was trying to see if I could get something around 500 . but if that wasnt going to work, I was going to save up a bit longer .
    Keep the cash and keep looking for the best prices. When I tried to sell my CV21/4 (boxed with the VF and all) it took a long time before it was sold for US $275 to the lucky buyer.
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    275! dang! someone has a color skopar 35/2.5 for 275 , is that a decent buy?

    Im not trying to be super cheap here , just my wife has heard me go from hating the Monochrom to raving about it in the last 5 days so I have to keep the spending under semi-control lol,

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    I would recommend the ZM18 or the ZM25 if 18mm is too wide for you. Both these ZM lenses are stellar on the M8 (or M9)...

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    Another vote for the ZM25mm. Haven't used it yet on my M9, but it was stunning on the M8.

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    The ZM 25 is excellent on M9 as well. The only problem is it well exceeds the budget of $500

    Cheers,

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    Re: Looking for recommendations for Wide angles for M8

    Oh crap! I missed the part about the budget...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Clennan View Post
    Oh crap! I missed the part about the budget...
    Budget?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    The M-mount version of the 25mm f/4 is rangefinder coupled.
    The older, LTM mount version wasn't.

    Cosina/Voigtländer reissued the 21, 25 and 35 mm Color Skopars in M-mount, didn't do so with the 28 and 50 mm for some reason. I have all but the 25mm. They are nice performers and reasonably priced.
    True - I thought of that after I replied. I stuck with the LTM versions as I find them nicer. The caveat is that you should stick with the "Type II" adapters so that you can code them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    True - I thought of that after I replied. I stuck with the LTM versions as I find them nicer. The caveat is that you should stick with the "Type II" adapters so that you can code them...
    What did you find nicer about them? Supposedly the optics are identical, just the mounts were updated.

    I don't have the older models to compare to, just curious.

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    PS : My budget is , how shall we say, *elastic*

    so a new Zeiss 25mm would be a better bet than a used Elmarit 28/2.8?

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    I would say for landscape type stuff (where sharpness is paramount), the ZM25 would edge out the Elmarit 28. However, the latest asph version which I own is very sharp across the frame. See if you can dig up the MTF's for both and compare.

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    well the latest ASPH is definitely outside of my stretched budget

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    Re: Looking for recommendations for Wide angles for M8

    ZM25 but that will probably blow your budget.
    Zeiss lenses are definetely a notch above most of the Voigtlanders.
    I tried 28mm first on my M8, but found 25mm to offer a better view.
    I shoot 25/35/50 currently.
    If you want to go really wide, there's always the cheapy Voigtlander 15mm, which is great.
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    PS : My budget is , how shall we say, *elastic*

    so a new Zeiss 25mm would be a better bet than a used Elmarit 28/2.8?
    If your budget is 'elastic' definitely consider the Zeiss ZM 25/2,8. If you prefer 28mm focal length, Zeiss ZM 28/2,8 and Konica M 28/2,8 are both excellent performers. The Konica M 28/2,8 has similar if not the same optical formula as the Leica Elmarit 28 pre-ASPH. When I had my M8, the VC 28/3,5 was my standard lens. It's a very good lens but hard to find.

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    Yes, those Konica's are very good indeed!

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    ZM Distagon 18 f/4 is superb on the M8. So are the ZM 25 f/2.8 and, even better, the Elmar-M 24 f/3.8 ASPH, but neither give you much elongation and "real wide" feel on the M8. If you want that real wide feel, and want to save $$, I second the VC 15 M-mount version. No, it's not a Zeiss, but it's plenty good.
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    Re: Looking for recommendations for Wide angles for M8

    Thanks for all the suggestions gang, so it appears that if you go to wide or ultra wide, the choices arent limited to just Leica!

    Ill keep saving and scouring the for sale section and see if I can come up with anything decent.

    Thanks again

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    rob rob rob!

    You know how much I love my Canon 35/2, right?

    And I found a good deal on a Zeiss 28/2.8 here in hong kong... might pick it up while I'm here... figure out how to pay for it when I'm back! I took a few test shots with it... and now I can't stop thinking about it. It was a pleasure to use, and the photos it creates are just beautiful. Pretty much no distortion at all.

    The CV 28/3.5 I've been using is pretty great as well, though... they're a little rare. I find that despite being labeled as a color skopar, the colors it produces are kinda wonky on the M8. Though, I don't code or use UV filters. I'm also slightly colour blind. It's a great, inexpensive, extremely compact lens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickCheung View Post
    rob rob rob!

    You know how much I love my Canon 35/2, right?

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    how much was that and where did you get it, if you dont mind me asking

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    Re: Looking for recommendations for Wide angles for M8

    Bought a skopar classic 35/2.5 with adapter , so now Ill try a CV lens and see how it fares , with teh adapter I can use my dads old zorki lens too, a 50mm/2 jupiter 8

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude163 View Post
    well the latest ASPH is definitely outside of my stretched budget
    it's a solid lens on the M8, depending on what rendering you like. its rendering is definitely more like the new asph lenses than the pre-karbe leica lenses. i love the size of it, but not the rendering so much. but IMO perceptions of rendering are quite personal.

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    well this is sort of a litmus test, if I like the rendering and feel of the CV lenses I can get more, if not Ill resell it

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    I will mention the M mount CV 21/4, even thou it has already been suggested.

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    Lens still hasnt showed up yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude163 View Post
    Lens still hasnt showed up yet
    Where did you order it from?
    I've been shooting with the Skopar 35 for the past week and some on the M9. Lovely stuff. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude163 View Post
    Lens still hasnt showed up yet
    ??

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    The guy was in the middle of moving , so it didnt get shipped until a week or so ago , so we are trying to figure out where USPS has it.

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    Re: Looking for recommendations for Wide angles for M8

    ZM25/2.8 and ZM21/2.8 if you haven't already bought a wide lens.

    Don't sleep on the Zeiss or Voigtlander lenses. Some of them are excellent performers. Some of the them I actually prefer to the Leica lenses at times for certain applications. The Voigtlander 35 Nokton II is amazing by any means no matter the label of manufacturer as is the Zeiss 25/2.8 (tried in a store) and 50/2 Planar (own and will never part with as long as I have M-mount cameras.) I've also owned the CV 50/ 1.5 Nokton and 28/2 Ultron (decent if you like 28.)

    That being said Ido love the Leica lenses I bought too but that's not to say they are above and beyond everything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    What did you find nicer about them? Supposedly the optics are identical, just the mounts were updated.

    I don't have the older models to compare to, just curious.
    The older ones are just a bit smaller, using more brass than alloy. The hoods are smaller (as well as the caps) and finally, I like the aperture rings better.

    But you're right - optically they're identical.

    The one big difference is the 4/25 - the new version is RF-coupled whereas the old one (Snapshot Skopar) was not. It's the one Skopar I don't have.

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