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New Olympus High End m43 Camera

k-hawinkler

k-hawinkler

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My definition of technical progress: Progress is if mere mortals, i.e. everybody now can do what before only specialists or privileged few could do.
 
MGrayson

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k-hawinkler said:
My definition of technical progress: Progress is if mere mortals, i.e. everybody now can do what before only specialists or privileged few could do.
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A man walked into a Karate Dojo and asked how long it would take him to get a black belt. The Sensei said "here" and gave him a black belt.
 
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ptomsu

ptomsu

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k-hawinkler said:
My definition of technical progress: Progress is if mere mortals, i.e. everybody now can do what before only specialists or privileged few could do.
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Something that Sony is currently showing with their new (to be released) FW updates for the A9 and other cameras.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1TpyRRQBWU&list=PLwIVS3_dKVpsjSZrQ7H-Nw8GQ7ZuDYyaD

Forget abbot Tony who did that video - but the content shows where all this evolution is going .... and IMO it is a good direction!
 
Knorp

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biglouis said:
No intelligent subject recognition for wildlife but there is one for railroads????

I guess any desire I have for this camera has just evaporated....
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Well, I'm sure it probably requires just some more f/w tinkering to take the EM1X from TIM to BIF.
They've got to start somewhere, you know ... :rolleyes:
 
k-hawinkler

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ptomsu said:
Final full specs of the EM1X

https://www.43rumors.com/ft5-these-are-the-full-e-m1x-specs/
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Thanks Peter. That seems to be an incredibly complex machine. WOW!
Bug free? Impossible me thinks. But I hope for the best.

Aside from the obvious items, I noticed the following:

* no mech. shutter, but 3 different electronic shutters < did I get that right?
* PDAF for FT lenses <- yes!
* 12-200/4 lens seems special, is referred to as PRO IS lens, 7.5 stops IS
 
ptomsu

ptomsu

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k-hawinkler said:
Thanks Peter. That seems to be an incredibly complex machine. WOW!
Bug free? Impossible me thinks. But I hope for the best.

Aside from the obvious items, I noticed the following:

* no mech. shutter, but 3 different electronic shutters < did I get that right?
* PDAF for FT lenses <- yes!
* 12-200/4 lens seems special, is referred to as PRO IS lens, 7.5 stops IS
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On one side it is complex, on the other side it does not really change much IMO for Olympus m43:

1) same resolution EVF and still LCD panel - I bet it has the same green cast as the EM1.2 - that really sucks
2) same sensor resolution - they changed some coating to improve sensitivity ?????
3) same number of PDAF points - 121 - where is the real innovation here - how to make AI really work with such low number of info
4) same number of frames in still as EM1.2
5) only 4k/60fps and I guess not 120fps - for what do they use all that additional processing power????
etc....

For that we get a much larger body without possibility to remove grip and for much more weight and higher prize - WHO WILL BUY THAT?

WRT mechanical shutter - I think I read somewhere it has one - should be more quiet?
WRT 7.5 stops and 4/12-100 - who really uses this lens?

A poll from 43rumors shows that 62% will NOT buy this camera, 22% are undecided and only 16% will buy it

https://www.43rumors.com/poll-will-you-buy-the-new-olympus-e-m1x/

That does not sound to good for Olympus - I think they have created a kind of Frankenstein :thumbdown:

For €3000.- I most likely will get something else :ROTFL:
 
biglouis

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ptomsu said:
On one side it is complex, on the other side it does not really change much IMO for Olympus m43:

1) same resolution EVF and still LCD panel - I bet it has the same green cast as the EM1.2 - that really sucks
2) same sensor resolution - they changed some coating to improve sensitivity ?????
3) same number of PDAF points - 121 - where is the real innovation here - how to make AI really work with such low number of info
4) same number of frames in still as EM1.2
5) only 4k/60fps and I guess not 120fps - for what do they use all that additional processing power????
etc....

For that we get a much larger body without possibility to remove grip and for much more weight and higher prize - WHO WILL BUY THAT?

WRT mechanical shutter - I think I read somewhere it has one - should be more quiet?
WRT 7.5 stops and 4/12-100 - who really uses this lens?

A poll from 43rumors shows that 62% will NOT buy this camera, 22% are undecided and only 16% will buy it

https://www.43rumors.com/poll-will-you-buy-the-new-olympus-e-m1x/

That does not sound to good for Olympus - I think they have created a kind of Frankenstein :thumbdown:

For €3000.- I most likely will get something else :ROTFL:
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We don't know how Panasonic will respond. Or even if they will respond. Ever. I am still holding out for a 20mpx BSI sensor and intelligent AF for birds in flight. I may be holding out for a long, long time :ROTFL:
 
k-hawinkler

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ptomsu said:
On one side it is complex, on the other side it does not really change much IMO for Olympus m43:

1) same resolution EVF and still LCD panel - I bet it has the same green cast as the EM1.2 - that really sucks
2) same sensor resolution - they changed some coating to improve sensitivity ?????
3) same number of PDAF points - 121 - where is the real innovation here - how to make AI really work with such low number of info
4) same number of frames in still as EM1.2
5) only 4k/60fps and I guess not 120fps - for what do they use all that additional processing power????
etc....

For that we get a much larger body without possibility to remove grip and for much more weight and higher prize - WHO WILL BUY THAT?

WRT mechanical shutter - I think I read somewhere it has one - should be more quiet?
WRT 7.5 stops and 4/12-100 - who really uses this lens?

A poll from 43rumors shows that 62% will NOT buy this camera, 22% are undecided and only 16% will buy it

https://www.43rumors.com/poll-will-you-buy-the-new-olympus-e-m1x/

That does not sound to good for Olympus - I think they have created a kind of Frankenstein :thumbdown:

For €3000.- I most likely will get something else :ROTFL:
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Quoting from the article (I added formatting for better readability):

Shutter format :

• electronically controlled focal-plane shutter,
• electronic front curtain shutter,
• electronic shutter

shutter speed:

• electronically controlled focal-plane shutter: 1 / 8,000 to 60 seconds, bulb, time, live composite

• electronic front curtain shutter: 1/320 to 60 seconds, the

• electronic shutter 1 / 32,000 to 60 seconds


flicker scan: video 1 / 30.0 to 1 / 250.0, still images 1 / 50.0 to 1/7634


No mention of a mechanical shutter. :clap:
Maybe that's mechanical: electronically controlled focal-plane shutter
That raises the question of sensor readout time, no?
 
ptomsu

ptomsu

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k-hawinkler said:
Quoting from the article (I added formatting for better readability):

Shutter format :

• electronically controlled focal-plane shutter,
• electronic front curtain shutter,
• electronic shutter

shutter speed:

• electronically controlled focal-plane shutter: 1 / 8,000 to 60 seconds, bulb, time, live composite

• electronic front curtain shutter: 1/320 to 60 seconds, the

• electronic shutter 1 / 32,000 to 60 seconds


flicker scan: video 1 / 30.0 to 1 / 250.0, still images 1 / 50.0 to 1/7634


No mention of a mechanical shutter. :clap:
Maybe that's mechanical: electronically controlled focal-plane shutter
That raises the question of sensor readout time, no?
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Did not look at these - maybe you are right!

That would actually change a bit of things .....

We'll see tomorrow ;)
 
k-hawinkler

k-hawinkler

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ptomsu said:
Did not look at these - maybe you are right!

That would actually change a bit of things .....

We'll see tomorrow ;)
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Torstein Olaf Hall • an hour ago
The two most important data you can not read from the spec sheet will determine if this camera will be a success or not are:
1.C-AF performance
2. Sensor performance
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Phanter Torstein Olaf Hall • 19 minutes ago
Well if you read between the lines it will use the same sensor. So 2. is probably set.


And while 1. is not clear. The same sensor means the same sensor scan time of 1/60th, which means this camera is doa as a sports camera because of the rolling shutter
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Torstein Olaf Hall Phanter • 7 minutes ago
I don't read between the lines when reviews are probably arriving tomorrow.
I predict it will have a faster readout speed from the sensor ,a very good C-AF and 1 f/stop improved low light capacity.
Anyway, the answer will probably arrive tomorrow...

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PeterA

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Jorgen Udvang said:
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since I have most of the lenses I need for the Olympus and none for the Panasonic, I'd better spend those monies going to strange places that are still not crowded by CaNiSony cameras and selfie sticks, and take some strange photos while there.

Fuji S3 with Tamron 24-135mm f/3.5-5.6 @ 24mm, f/3.5, 1/25s and ISO 1600

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Nice shot Jorgen!
 
ptomsu

ptomsu

Workshop Member
k-hawinkler said:
Quoting from the comments:

Torstein Olaf Hall • an hour ago
The two most important data you can not read from the spec sheet will determine if this camera will be a success or not are:
1.C-AF performance
2. Sensor performance
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Phanter Torstein Olaf Hall • 19 minutes ago
Well if you read between the lines it will use the same sensor. So 2. is probably set.


And while 1. is not clear. The same sensor means the same sensor scan time of 1/60th, which means this camera is doa as a sports camera because of the rolling shutter
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Torstein Olaf Hall Phanter • 7 minutes ago
I don't read between the lines when reviews are probably arriving tomorrow.
I predict it will have a faster readout speed from the sensor ,a very good C-AF and 1 f/stop improved low light capacity.
Anyway, the answer will probably arrive tomorrow...

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As I already said - I fear that the sensor did not change too much - same number of AF points, same resolution,....

The one thing is there is no mechanical shutter Olympus must feel safe to only use electronic shutter, that means they are confident that no rolling shutter will happen - hence hopefully also much shorter sensor readout times :facesmack:
 
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