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    Not that I disagree with him, but I am pretty astounded that such poor writing could be in an international newspaper.
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    ... astounded that such poor writing could be in an international newspaper. ...

    He's an electronics/gadgets guy with an interest in photography and digital cameras. His "NY Times" column reads more like a blog in many ways -- casual, speaking style.

    And he also blogs, and the blog reads ... also like a blog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    ... I am pretty astounded that such poor writing could be in an international newspaper.

    If you really want to see poor writing skills, hang out on internet forums.

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    I am sorry. I know I come off as a grouch, but I think it is depressing. This is a column in a newspaper that is available in almost every country on Earth. I don't mind a conversational tone per se, but this was particularly awful -- even the colloquialisms are out of date. When was the last time you heard someone say, "Hey ____! _____ called they want their _____ back"? Just because it is "bloglike" does not mean the writing should be poor. Mike Johnston at the Online Photographer has a casual tone, but he still writes well. Anyway, forgive the grumpiness, it just struck me as surprising and unworthy of the Times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    I am sorry. I know I come off as a grouch, but I think it is depressing. This is a column in a newspaper that is available in almost every country on Earth. I don't mind a conversational tone per se, but this was particularly awful -- even the colloquialisms are out of date. When was the last time you heard someone say, "Hey ____! _____ called they want their _____ back"? Just because it is "bloglike" does not mean the writing should be poor. Mike Johnston at the Online Photographer has a casual tone, but he still writes well. Anyway, forgive the grumpiness, it just struck me as surprising and unworthy of the Times.
    I came away from it thinking it was well written, although casual. But more important than the style, I thought it was so much more informative than any technical photo article in major paper I can remember reading. Not that I spend too much time reading major papers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sizifo View Post
    I came away from it thinking it was well written, although casual. But more important than the style, I thought it was so much more informative than any technical photo article in major paper I can remember reading. Not that I spend too much time reading major papers.

    That was the way I saw it, too. The 'style' of writing was initially lost on me, was caught up in the content. I was impressed the article went into detail that I would not have expected to see in a newspaper. And it was 1/2 of a page ... a big, unfolded newspaper page, dedicated to the Sigma DP-1 with a big picture of the camera. But Stuart also has a valid point about the choice of writing style.

    What got me a little hopeful was the last line in the article about a potential DP2, not that the author necessarily knows if there will be one, but one can hope.

    Also, if the New York Times, a major 'news' (?) publication is distributing a 1/2-page critique of the Sigma camera and making mention of the need for larger sensors, less pixels, etc, I suspect the manfrs are hearing about it.

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    A few more samples here:

    http://www.dcfever.com/news/readnews.php?id=2280

    I believe I am going to be first in line for this one ... B&H has it listed "with accessory kit" price TBA. If that means with the OVF and adapter, etc., I CAN'T wait!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joan View Post
    A few more samples here:

    http://www.dcfever.com/news/readnews.php?id=2280

    I believe I am going to be first in line for this one ... B&H has it listed "with accessory kit" price TBA. If that means with the OVF and adapter, etc., I CAN'T wait!
    Joan,
    Does B&H mention the color ofthe camera?
    Really want the black one in half case....*swoon*
    This sample
    http://www.dcfever.com/articles/news...asonic_43l.jpg
    from the link you posted make me feel much better about this camera!
    No smearing!

    Edit; I see B&H does have the black body one, w00t!
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    Yes! That was the one that tipped me over the edge, iso 400! I want the black one with that nifty case, too, and the OVF will make all the difference for me.
    Really excited about this cam, Panasonic seems to have read my wish list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    Not that I disagree with him, but I am pretty astounded that such poor writing could be in an international newspaper.
    As I read this, I thought it has to be David Pogue, and so it was. He's the Tech Writer for the New York Times, also has a TV programme reviewing all kinds of electronic gadgets. He's been writing stuff on Apple products for years.

    While he is much better informed than most reviewers/analysts, it comes with an annoying, irritating delivery style. He's not as funny as he thinks and shares that distinction with Scott Kelby who is one of the many Photoshop gurus.

    It's a pity we can't have informed comment together with genuine wit and humour. But anything is better than the affable ramblings of someone whose knowledge on the subject is clearly the square root of nowt. Just my h.o.

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    I agree. It is certainly better to have an informed person write poorly than an uninformed person write well (at least if you are seeking information rather than diversion), but it is a shame we cannot have both. If you want a clear demonstration of how the state of newspaper writing has declined, try reading an article from the beginning of the century. I was a graduate student in history, so I did this regularly. For example, here is an excerpt from a NY Times article from 1914 about the breakdown of relations before WWI:

    "Germany is doomed to sure defeat. Bankrupt in statesmanship, overmatched in arms, under the moral condemnation of the civilized world, befriended only by the Austrian and the Turk, two backward-looking and dying nations, desperately battling against the hosts of three great powers to which help and reinforcement from States now neutral will certainly come should the decision be long deferred, she pours out the blood of her heroic subjects and wastes her diminishing substances in a hopeless struggle that postpones, but cannot alter, the fatal decree." Hey David Pogue, the 1914 NY Times called. They want their newspaper back. Ok, that was just dumb, but the difference in the writing is stark. Granted, it is a hell of a run on sentence, but the sheer authority of the words and structure is impressive.

    At this point I will stop and not bring this up again.

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    Good example of the way they used to write the news.

    And this is how they write the news today:

    And it came to pass, in the eighth year of the reign of the evil Bush the Younger (The Ignorant), when the whole land from the Arabian desert to the shores of the Great Lakes had been laid barren, that a Child appeared in the wilderness.

    The Child was blessed in looks and intellect. Scion of a simple family, offspring of a miraculous union, grandson of a typical white person and an African peasant. And yea, as he grew, the Child walked in the path of righteousness, with only the occasional detour into the odd weed and a little blow.

    When he was twelve years old, they found him in the temple in the City of Chicago, arguing the finer points of community organisation with the Prophet Jeremiah and the Elders. And the Elders were astonished at what they heard and said among themselves: “Verily, who is this Child that he opens our hearts and minds to the audacity of hope?”

    In the great Battles of Caucus and Primary he smote the conniving Hillary, wife of the deposed King Bill the Priapic and their barbarian hordes of Working Class Whites. ...





    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle4392846.ece

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxide Blu View Post
    Good example of the way they used to write the news.

    And this is how they write the news today:

    And it came to pass, in the eighth year of the reign of the evil Bush the Younger (The Ignorant), when the whole land from the Arabian desert to the shores of the Great Lakes had been laid barren, that a Child appeared in the wilderness.

    The Child was blessed in looks and intellect. Scion of a simple family, offspring of a miraculous union, grandson of a typical white person and an African peasant. And yea, as he grew, the Child walked in the path of righteousness, with only the occasional detour into the odd weed and a little blow.

    When he was twelve years old, they found him in the temple in the City of Chicago, arguing the finer points of community organisation with the Prophet Jeremiah and the Elders. And the Elders were astonished at what they heard and said among themselves: “Verily, who is this Child that he opens our hearts and minds to the audacity of hope?”

    In the great Battles of Caucus and Primary he smote the conniving Hillary, wife of the deposed King Bill the Priapic and their barbarian hordes of Working Class Whites. ...





    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle4392846.ece
    That's really funny.

    I'm living in germany at the moment, where the more traditional style of writing is more preserved than in the uk or in the states, and I do have a problem with it. Plenty of newspapers still measure 1 meter by 2 meters The problem is that everybody in these papers uses it, in the vast majority of cases it's unnecessarily constraining, and more often than not it's really style over substance. Very often a sentence will stretch over a whole paragraph, and if you take time to dissect what it says, you'll find: well, often not very much at all. I'm much more in favor of having a culture where style is secondary. If somebody is able to and enjoys writing more elaborately, than fine. Say for example Sein Reid's reviews, wonderful writing, wonderful substance. If not, they may have a lot to say anyway. I'm happy to see established newspapers change away from the traditional.

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    As panosonic have only announced a 24mm viewfinder I suspect that it wont have a step zoom feature.Now if the leica version were to have a step zoom then it would be well worth paying the extra.Square format in raw would be icing on the cake.

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    http://exifdb.popco.net/... ...=PANASONIC&model=231&modelname=LUMIX%20DMC-LX3

    These test shots look like good news for the lx3 but Im not sure that I know what Im talking about.What do you think?(from dpreview blog)
    link does not work,maybe best to try from the dpreview panosonic blog...Korean.
    Last edited by nei1; 2nd August 2008 at 05:15. Reason: link does not work

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    Here's the post on DPReview with the links -> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=28812853

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    Thanks

    Thanks Amin,they look pretty good dont they.

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    They really do look pretty good. The in-camera noise reduction seems much nicer than that in the LX2, and there is also better edge/corner sharpness. The processor seems to be correcting for barrel distortion (eg, in the 18mm wide converter shots) as well as lateral CA. Image quality is very good for a small sensor camera, and the studio ISO tests (linked directly from our blog here) suggest that this will be one of the best compacts around for low light/ Possibly the very best when one takes into account the f/2 lens and OIS.

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