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    In the old days, people would post negative comments about the DPR tests in their forum, and either there would be no response or Phil Askey would make a short, caustic reply without addressing the criticism. Nowadays, people make the same negative comments in their forum, and one of their staff will give a reasoned reply. For example, they will sometimes use an f-number well into diffraction-limited territory to strike the best balance between center sharpness and edge sharpness, and different findings across the frame are often explained by field curvature rather than misfocus.

    They still make their share of technical errors, but they do a better job of explaining and aren't as careless as we sometimes assume.

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    Is this some sort of random defence of dprevs and their fabulous reviews or it has something to do with Rx1?

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    Hi Amin, I'm not sure that I care any more... Cameras seem to have progressed to the point where IQ is better than most people need and it's more about bragging rights and excitable tech collectors (I'm not excluding myself here!) than being in pursuit of imaging excellence.

    Having said that, I do find it all inspires me to pick up the latest camera and shoot something to share... Hopefully there will be images that will be meaningful to me in 10 years time too.

    Also, I love the 35mm perspective, and the novelty has worn off my X100... Even though it could turn out to be better than the RX1 (as I said, image quality is now 'good enough' and I love the ergonomics).

    It's all good, just want to take some keepers of my family this Christmas and count my blessings. The RX1 could add to the sparkle, that's for sure

    All the best

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    Re: Sony RX1

    The latest cam to get a "gold award" with 84 points (that is apparently two more than the D800) certainly made me rethink what new cam I would like. I will now look for Amazon deals on it.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Has anyone tried long exposure over 1 min with this camera?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryan Aqajani View Post
    Has anyone tried long exposure over 1 min with this camera?
    I took one this evening. See the Fun with the RX1 thread.

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    His image is amazing! By the way I shot 186 images today and my battery is still showing nearly full. I had the camera on for about 3 hours. It goes to sleep in between action and could use a faster wake up time.
    V/r John

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    Re: Sony RX1

    I have a question for RX1 owners. Do you know what external flash units besides the Sony one for over $500 will work on the RX1? How does the wireless flash work? I see nothing in the user guide or user manual on how to use it. Is it compatible with certain wireless flashes? So you need a wireless trigger device in the hot shoe to make it work? I'm not sure what selecting that option under the flash setting does. Does anyone know? I tired using an old standard none TTL flash unit I had and it would not trigger it. Every other camera I have had worked with it. It just has the center connector.
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    Re: Sony RX1

    Quote Originally Posted by barjohn View Post
    I have a question for RX1 owners. Do you know what external flash units besides the Sony one for over $500 will work on the RX1? How does the wireless flash work? I see nothing in the user guide or user manual on how to use it. Is it compatible with certain wireless flashes? So you need a wireless trigger device in the hot shoe to make it work? I'm not sure what selecting that option under the flash setting does. Does anyone know? I tired using an old standard none TTL flash unit I had and it would not trigger it. Every other camera I have had worked with it. It just has the center connector.
    I do not have a RX-1, but do have a A99 with the new ISO type hot-shoe which looks identical. I have no idea if they are actually the same, but would strongly suspect they are ... except for the front pins under the lip to enable the external EVF which the A99 doesn't require.

    The A99 works with radio senders, so I do not know why the RX-1 would not. If not it is a crime since this is a leaf-shutter with higher flash sync ... at least 1/500th with most radio transmitters, and even higher sync with new radios like the Profoto AIR transmitter.

    With a radio transmitter in the hot-shoe, I did have to learn to turn off the view-finder effect in the menu in order to see anything when shooting in manual mode with strobes ... other-wise the viewfinder is dark/or black in a darkened studio with a fast shutter speed and stopped down lens.

    The new 60 flash automatically turns off the viewfinder effect: when in the hot shoe and turned on.

    The Sony wireless isn't a radio, it is IR ... so limited to line-of-sight and shorter distances. I haven't tried the new 60 flash with the older 58 flashes using the wire-less mode yet.

    To my knowledge, Sony doesn't make a separate IR transmitter like the Canon STE-2.

    Since this ISO hot-shoe is new, it'll be awhile before pass-through TTL radio transmitters are available ... I'll be on the look-out for the Phottix version to work with my other Phottix Stratos-II receivers.

    The 60 speed-light flash for the Sony A99 is way to big for the RX-1 ... it remains to be seen if they produce the smaller speed-light with ISO shoe like they did previously with the Sony/Minolta shoe.

    -Marc

    P/S. does the RX-1 have a PC outlet? I can't see one in the photos of the camera.

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    Flash, video and mic out put are in the "hot shoe". No separate PC outlet. There is a pop up flash instead. Goes well with the shape and the looks.

    Because of the new hotshoe setup, any wireless (radio) trigger needs to be seated properly and attached firmly to have trigger capability. The front of the hotshoe is taken up by numerous propriety connections for video and audio outputs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Flash, video and mic out put are in the "hot shoe". No separate PC outlet. There is a pop up flash instead. Goes well with the shape and the looks.

    Because of the new hotshoe setup, any wireless (radio) trigger needs to be seated properly and attached firmly to have trigger capability. The front of the hotshoe is taken up by numerous propriety connections for video and audio outputs.
    No PC outlet with a leaf shutter lens?

    I suppose you could Rube Goldberg a set-up using a in-shoe adapter with a PC port, but those have too many contact points and are notoriously unreliable.

    I just tried my MicroSync for the M9 on the A99 which would be a better sized radio transmitter for a camera like the RX-1 and it worked, then didn't work, then did ... which it will also do in the M9 hot-shoe ... as Vivek says it has to be properly seated.

    The Profoto AIR works all the time on any camera including the M9 and A99.

    -Marc

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    I spent an hour with a RX-1 in store yesterday...dispelling a lot of mis-information concerning the camera for myself.

    NO PC outlet but the hotshoe would trigger a Canon 600 flash all the way to 1/2000 in M mode.

    Focusing in A mode the lens does NOT stop down to focus...appears to in all other modes.

    AF is suprisingly quick and seems accurate.

    Shutter is dead quiet...as mentioned by others.

    Screen on back is drop dead gorgeous...I may buy one and use it to view all of my digital files....just kidding.

    Lens sharpness and contrast from distant objects is very good. Played with zooming in on captures for quite a while...not disappointed at all.

    My only concern at present is that most of the portraits shown here are too close...35mm and gorgeous fall off bokeh of the lens tends to give everyone a mid-face spread that makes them look like they are in need of a mild rhinoplasty. Like looking into the convex reflection of a spoon...only milder.

    If it had a built in optical finder I would buy two....

    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post

    My only concern at present is that most of the portraits shown here are too close...35mm and gorgeous fall off bokeh of the lens tends to give everyone a mid-face spread that makes them look like they are in need of a mild rhinoplasty. Like looking into the convex reflection of a spoon...only milder.
    I did not see the need for plastic surgery of the subjects at all.

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    Just a quick reply here, I've modified the Sony 20 flash somewhat to rotate with a Giotto mini ball head with flash cable, yes it's a bit of a monsterous TTL modification on top of the Rx1, but it works! It still isn't as big as or as heavy as a 60 unit on top.

    Anyway back to the tramitter part, and a manual flash solution only but works well is to use Nikon flashes (900 and 910) in SU-4 mode and trigger with the on camera flash. I'm used to using flashes on DSLRs, so when systems don't offer small flash TTL options or good flashes it simply bothers the head outta me! Although the only reason I made a modification myself is that I am intrigued by Sony to offer the only proper flash rotate system or versatility and bounce, as offered by the 43, 58 and 60 flashes. Neither Canon or Nikon offer offer this genius rotate system for portrait mode to get the most out of the flash head!

    I will post my silly monster modification photo setup later! Also I hate the idea that you need a huge flash unit to trigger, when sony released the accessories product photo, I was quite boggled by it! When they release something better, I will replace my silly setup in a FLASH
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    Re: Sony RX1

    Sony should have made a functional accessory (with a TTL outlet and all the other electric connections accessible) out of the thumb grip instead of a plain old machined part that many can do and for much less.

    But, that would have pushed the rating to 9*.

    I look forward to seeing your contraption, Po (I would have visited a plumber's shop instead of the Giotto. There are many lightweight/strong/cheap plastic ball joints).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Sony should have made a functional accessory (with a TTL outlet and all the other electric connections accessible) out of the thumb grip instead of a plain old machined part that many can do and for much less.

    But, that would have pushed the rating to 9*.

    I look forward to seeing your contraption, Po (I would have visited a plumber's shop instead of the Giotto. There are many lightweight/strong/cheap plastic ball joints).
    Yes, the THUMB GRIP to not offer functionality is totally DUMB!
    Giotto, well it works and offers the right size screw thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I did not see the need for plastic surgery of the subjects at all.
    No need...the photographers need to step back just a small amount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    No need...the photographers need to step back just a small amount.

    Bob
    Or the viewer can get closer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    Or the viewer can get closer...
    Actually your last set with the guitar player were wonderful....it is when the distance in less that it tends to look a little different. But that is why 35 has never been a first choice for headshots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Actually your last set with the guitar player were wonderful....it is when the distance in less that it tends to look a little different. But that is why 35 has never been a first choice for headshots.

    Bob
    I don't have a set with a guitar player.

    I agree, your typical head shot is best at some other focal length. But baring that (unless I use the clear converter function, I really can't do a lot with the RX1), just make a 6' x 4' print and stand 3-4' away. Viewing distance will fix the problem too.

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    Mea culpa...it was Shtarka1.

    Here:

    http://www.getdpi.com/forum/479296-post410.html

    Your landscapes and Newfounland pics have been wonderful...I have just been running through these two threads on the RX-1 after spending an hour with the camera. Have not sorted all the posts out in my mind.

    Looking for reasons to or not to buy it...it is much better than the majority of reviews would lead one to believe.

    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post

    ...just make a 6' x 4' print and stand 3-4' away. Viewing distance will fix the problem too.
    Makes sense...thanks.

    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Looking for reasons to or not to buy it...it is much better than the majority of reviews would lead one to believe.

    Bob
    Do you need it? I bought it for my second/backup camera to a Pentax 645D. I wanted something small and inconspicuous that was going to give an image quality that would not look out of place next to a 645D file. The Pentax has the interchangeable lenses and I had nothing for it with a 35mm equivalent FoV. So far the pairing has worked out swimmingly.

    Now, if it is just a lust thing, I have no help to give. The cure and the disease are one and the same...

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    Depends...

    I have and love the DP2M which works for good light...the RX-1 would allow a bit more latitude in shooting...I think.

    And SPP really needs some competition.


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    Re: Sony RX1

    Any of you guys have experience with the cheap, knockoff HK hoods they sell on eBay?

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    I am not aware of any dedicated RX-1 hood with bayonet mount from any 3rd party.

    However, compared to the original hood, the 49mm metal hood at <1/20th price is a no-brainer.

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    Seriously it is really nice and we have to give it credit for what it is but it's also a danger as one would become to narrow minded in a visual way. After awhle it will only make YOU see in that FOV and honestly I think that can be very limiting to your art. Let's face it the world is not only one focal length and even our own eyes can focus in and focus out on subject matter. This can't do that it is what it is unless you got some happy feet going on. This goes with any fixed lens out there. Just thinking about it makes me somewhat nervous. Not sure I could actually not shoot well without at least 3 focal lengths to work with. It's lovely though and nice and small. My bet the quality is very good too. I think after awhile the issue is many will get bored with it.
    alternative is to spend more time at home thinking about which lens to buy than which picture to make, and more time in the field thinking about which lens to select and looking for it in bag than paying attention (not money) to what is going on around you and when to press the button... maybe this can also be very limiting to your art?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowep View Post
    alternative is to spend more time at home thinking about which lens to buy than which picture to make, and more time in the field thinking about which lens to select and looking for it in bag than paying attention (not money) to what is going on around you and when to press the button... maybe this can also be very limiting to your art?
    I guess you have not seen the Sony spread of accessories to go with the Rx1.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    actually i quite like this one

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    Re: Sony RX1

    If anyone is looking to see what the RX1 can do, my real world review is up here:

    Sony RX1 Review Peter Adams Photography

    I put the camera to work in a number of situations including portrait, long exposure, macro, etc.

    Hope that helps.
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    Re: Sony RX1

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I am not aware of any dedicated RX-1 hood with bayonet mount from any 3rd party.

    However, compared to the original hood, the 49mm metal hood at <1/20th price is a no-brainer.
    For anyone interested, Fotodiox makes a pretty cool rectangle hood that attaches to the RX1 via bayonet, and it's around $50 on Amazon. I should mention that a friend bought one and said the finish looks a little bad, but the one I received looks fine.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    I've been asked to make a compact grip for the RX1 (similar to those I currently make for the sigma, fuji and OMD).

    any interest? typical features could be:

    simple base leaves battery accessible with grip (1/4" tripod hole centered on lens)
    could also have:
    arca-style grooves on base;
    a combo version which adds an L-plate (with 1/4" tripod hole and arca-style grooves)

    target price for basic $120 (no arca grooves)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    I've been asked to make a compact grip for the RX1 (similar to those I currently make for the sigma, fuji and OMD).

    any interest? (...)
    Darn. I wish you had materialized this idea earlier. This time I had to buy the RRS grip (I bought the complete setup including the L part).
    It works well but the grip part is too slippery. I liked your laser threatened E-M5 grip providing a better...grip. As it is I have applied some friction tape to the RRS grip part. A detail with the RRS grip which your E-M5 grip didn't offer is that you can open the port door on the left of the camera without taking the L part of the grip. Not everybody needs it but it when needed, well...

    Good luck with the design!

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    I've been asked to make a compact grip for the RX1 (similar to those I currently make for the sigma, fuji and OMD).

    any interest? typical features could be:

    simple base leaves battery accessible with grip (1/4" tripod hole centered on lens)
    could also have:
    arca-style grooves on base;
    a combo version which adds an L-plate (with 1/4" tripod hole and arca-style grooves)

    target price for basic $120 (no arca grooves)

    Wait for the variation that is rumored to appear in a few months.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    I've been asked to make a compact grip for the RX1 (similar to those I currently make for the sigma, fuji and OMD).

    any interest? typical features could be:

    simple base leaves battery accessible with grip (1/4" tripod hole centered on lens)
    could also have:
    arca-style grooves on base;
    a combo version which adds an L-plate (with 1/4" tripod hole and arca-style grooves)

    target price for basic $120 (no arca grooves)

    Hi Jim,

    Absolutely (I reviewed your Fuji plate for Robert over on the Fuji X forum btw - still have it on my X-Pro).

    What I would like to see is a grip the extends the length of the camera (on the grip side) to make room for your fingers and improve the hold comfort. Not sure how you could do that and still have access to the lug.

    Chad
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    Hi

    I have the RRS grip and love it, it gives so much more freedom, allowing a hand strap for security but just carrying it by fingertips, I think it adds brilliantly to the overall form. I'd be interested to hear how you are looking to improve over the RRS version.

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    Yes, that RRS grip looks perfect but I would like to see Jim's version. His product is top notch.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Wait for the variation that is rumored to appear in a few months.
    It's likely to be a similar camera with just a different lens.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Quite possible but there is NO guarantee that a Gariz case will still fit it though.
    Last edited by Vivek; 10th June 2013 at 10:18. Reason: missing word!

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Quite possible but there is guarantee that a Gariz case will still fit it though.
    Interesting, I wasn't aware of that. I'd imagine that it could have a wider, slower lens, but who knows?

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    Re: Sony RX1

    Sorry about the typing mistake!

    Yeah, that was exactly my point as well in the original post you quoted.

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    Same image quality and handling but with a longer lens, I'd sign up now!

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    Re: Sony RX1

    re: my RX1 grip:
    worked out some details today. there is about 5/8" between the grip and the lens, just about right; any more and the grip overhangs the camera too much.

    i also figured in an L-plate version, the L-plate allows opening the USB door while fitted, and the base also allows battery and card access.

    grooves for the arcs style tripod clamp on base and L-plate as well as threads for a tripod, lens centered, and index marks also on lens centerlines

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    Re: Sony RX1

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    re: my RX1 grip:
    worked out some details today. there is about 5/8" between the grip and the lens, just about right; any more and the grip overhangs the camera too much.

    i also figured in an L-plate version, the L-plate allows opening the USB door while fitted, and the base also allows battery and card access.

    grooves for the arcs style tripod clamp on base and L-plate as well as threads for a tripod, lens centered, and index marks also on lens centerlines
    So does the grip extend out past the left edge of the camera (when looking at the lens), like the RRS grip does? I like the flatter style of grips that you use Jim. The RRS is a bit bulbous, which I'm sure some prefer.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    the grip does extend past the camera a bit; but i need the finger clearance to the lens. i think it integrates well, however, and stays slim, which is suitable for what is really a tiny camera
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    All that sounds very much as what the RRS grip does. I guess your grip handle isn't as deep as the RRS? I again wish you had offered your design before they did.

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    Re: Sony RX1

    More 'rumornews' has appeared about the RX-1R, which is supposed to be the same camera without an AA filter. If they also upgraded the low-light autofocus, I wouldn't be able to resist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    More 'rumornews' has appeared about the RX-1R, which is supposed to be the same camera without an AA filter. If they also upgraded the low-light autofocus, I wouldn't be able to resist.
    I already get moire with the RX1 as it is. I'm not sure how much I'd want no AA with this camera, unless maybe at resulted in less astigmatism at the edges for better performance (the lens is already good at the edges, though.)

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    Re: Sony RX1

    They've reduced moire when taking JPEGs. So if shooting JPEGs is your thing, the RX1R might be the thing for you!
    Seriously, it's a bit silly. The new version only makes sense for landscapes and other non-moire scenes. The RX1 is a near perfect balance of sharpness and keeping a hold back on moire.
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    Re: Sony RX1

    Michael Reichmann has a preliminary review of the new RX here: Sony RX1R

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