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    Well, it looks amazing.

    Built in EVF, 42MP BSI sensor, variable low pass filter, phase detection AF, uncompressed RAW ...

    I did not even know I WANTED a variable low pass filter.

    Sony is pushing the technology. And I like it.

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    Re: Rx1r2

    It's really nice but the price is stupid at 3300. A A7rII is 3200

    But I would love to have just can't justify the amount
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    Re: Rx1r2

    I am in.


    I love my Rx1 and have been waiting for this update.
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    Re: Rx1r2

    Color me jealous . I just can't justify it with my current system needs. I do want it though. I mean I really want it. Lol
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    Re: Rx1r2

    Sounds perfect for street. I guess the size is just too small to incorporate IBIS though.

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    The price is stepp - but it looks like a great bit of gear....drool!


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    Re: Rx1r2

    Having owned an RX1, I know how appealing these little cameras are. I'm still not sure why I sold my RX1. But at $3,300, the price of the RX1R II seems ridiculous. It is VERY tempting though. Look away, look away, look away...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    It's really nice but the price is stupid at 3300. An A7rII is 3200
    Yeah but you don't get a free 35mm f/2 Zeiss with your A7rII!

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    Re: Rx1r2

    Sony was the only game in town for this kind of camera since 2013.
    Leica threw the gauntlet earlier this year and it looks like Sony picked it up! Just in time for Leica's October 25 announcement also .
    This is fun!!

    BTW, I love my RX1r (lightweight backup to my Nikon DSLR main system) and it will stay right where it is.
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    Re: Rx1r2

    EVF and tilt LCD makes it more attractive than the RX1.


    HOWEVER...


    Is it still lossy or would it offer lossless RAWs?
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    Re: Rx1r2

    [QUOTE=Guy Mancuso;663497]It's really nice but the price is stupid at 3300. /QUOTE]

    At the EU prices (going by what Sony did with RX1), it is condemnable.

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    *Yawn* another groundbreaking product from Sony :roll eyes: Kidding!

    I don't know that the price is too high: It's literally in a class by itself, and I suspect that will still be the case 24 months from now unless Sony themselves improve upon it before then. Carry a couple of extra batteries though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    EVF and tilt LCD makes it more attractive than the RX1.


    HOWEVER...


    Is it still lossy or would it offer lossless RAWs?
    Uncompressed ...
    http://www.sony.com/electronics/cybe...specifications

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    Battery life 220 images .. that's not so good....

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    Re: Rx1r2

    I'm not saying that I won't get one eventually () but to be honest there's not much that I want beyond my RX1R other than the tiltable LCD (or IBIS if it had it). 42mp and the other tech goodies are nice but for my use with the current RX1R they aren't necessary. I hate to say it but 24mp is already 'sufficient' for my small travel camera. IBIS would make it more interesting. The EVF is nice but I already have the external one with my RX1R.

    Now if it had been the 50mp 44x33mm CMOS sensor in a small package, sort of like a smaller Mamiya 7, I could be more tempted.

    Kudos to Sony for continuing to support this niche. If you want a 35/2 Zeiss travel camera with a mini A7RII on it then this looks wonderful.

    In the meantime, I'll wait and buy an early adopter's camera in a few months in mint unused condition when their novelty has worn off ...
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    Re: Rx1r2

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    In the meantime, I'll wait and buy some early adopter's camera in a few months in mint unused condition when their novelty has worn off ...
    That's what I'm thinking. I'm usually the early adopter who's selling, but that gets old fast.

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    Re: Rx1r2

    big question is what is leica is going to do? sony is going after everybody and leica is the smallest of the bunch, they roll out leica q with 24 meg and sony rolls out a 42 meg with a nice ziess lens that costs less!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    That's what I'm thinking. I'm usually the early adopter who's selling, but that gets old fast.

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    Will stick with the Leica Q.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viramati View Post
    Will stick with the Leica Q.
    But if you didn't have a Leica Q or current RX1 then this would be a VERY interesting camera.
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    Re: Rx1r2

    another issue with this camera as it is with the rx1 is the battery life, i wish they had updated the size a bit for a bigger battery and of course it does not come with a battery charger!! the a7rii ships with two batteries so how many do we need for this one?

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    Re: Rx1r2

    I have an order in for the Leica Q. Well, they take so long to get one it seems silly not to.

    But like Lucille (above) I was waiting to see if the RX1 series was a dead end or not.

    Well done Sony, this looks like a stunner.

    It really is a no brainer for me, if only I can find a site in the UK to pre-order.

    Only problem is I pre-ordered a Loxia 2.8/21 today.

    I think I'm going to have to stick with my CV 1.8/21 for a little bit longer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by msadat View Post
    another issue with this camera as it is with the rx1 is the battery life, i wish they had updated the size a bit for a bigger battery and of course it does not come with a battery charger!! the a7rii ships with two batteries so how many do we need for this one?
    With my old RX1 I invested in an Expro double charger and two Expro OEM batteries. The batteries are so tiny that I was never seriously inconvenienced or out of power even carrying three (including the one in the camera).

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'm with you on this one. I'll wait till the price hits the floorboards
    That is what I have always been waiting for with the RX1R for the last year given the poor performance of the Zeiss 35/2.8 but surprisingly (maybe not?) they have never really come down in price below the 2 grand asking her in the UK. And believe me I have been checking regularly. There is a current offer of a wopping GBP 200 rebate on the existing RX1R but again this only brings it down to just sub 2K in the stores I have checked out. You might have to wait longer than you think.

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    Re: Rx1r2

    Sony Packs EVF and 42MP Full-Frame Sensor into the Compact RX1R II
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/...rm=Sony-RX1RII
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    Conflicting lens info Re: Rx1r2

    From B & H site:
    2x Clear Image Zoom can be used to effectively double the magnification afforded by any lens in use with minimal image degradation. For even greater magnification, 1.4x and 2x Smart zoom is available, as well as 4x, 6.2 and 8x digital zoom.

    The camera is supposed to have a FIXED 35mm f2 lens, but this 2x clear image sounds interesting. Since it says "afforded by any lens in use", maybe it was cut and pasted from another camera?
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    Re: Rx1r2

    The perfect street camera. I'm on the list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen.s1 View Post
    The perfect street camera. I'm on the list.
    While I agree with this, I'm not sure why 42mpx would be necessary for street photography.

    I use an A6000 with the E20 lens. Every bit as small as the RX, has OS and is a LOT cheaper.

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    Re: Rx1r2

    Quote Originally Posted by stephen.s1 View Post
    The perfect street camera.
    Nex-5N (r, t) + E16, E20. Same lossy but without a premium.

    Possibly the most responsive (least delay after pressing the shutter) of all Sony interchangeable cams.

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    Go to B&H site and see interview with Sony tech. BTW, the firmware update for the RII has been released.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen.s1 View Post
    Go to B&H site and see interview with Sony tech. BTW, the firmware update for the RII has been released.
    The update is to be released 19 Oct, I read.

    As for the RX-1R2 is seems to now come with battery charger since the USB charger is still included, because on the "what's in the Box" it also lists a charger BC-DCX. I have on idea what that one is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'm with you on this one. I'll wait till the price hits the floorboards
    Good luck with that idea Guy.... if it is anything like the pricing of the RX1 and RX1r (though it did take a bit of a drop for awhile on the auction site it then went up again once they realized a new model was delayed). For that type camera imo it has never hit my floorboard price new or used. Not saying it isn't a excellent camera because it is an exceptional camera but for my needs and wants it's far too much money for a fixed lens P&S style camera. The tilt screen and evf will make it more user friendly as a pocketable (albeit: a large pocket )travel camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandrewk View Post
    I use an A6000 with the E20 lens. Every bit as small as the RX, has OS and is a LOT cheaper.
    Same here. Great little camera. With the 20mm pancake I can stuff it in one jacket pocket and a 60mm Sigma in the other when I don't want to use the 16-70 Zeiss zoom.
    What interests me with the full frame offering is the much smaller depth of field: f2 in 35mm versus f2.8 in Aps-C ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Nex-5N (r, t) + E16, E20. Same lossy but without a premium.

    Possibly the most responsive (least delay after pressing the shutter) of all Sony interchangeable cams.
    Hopefully you are near a construction site ... multi exposure sounds like an impact wrench ... but loved the image and form factor....


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    Re: Rx1r2

    Yes, an APS-C cam with a BSI sensor and a silent shutter option is due.
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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    The update is to be released 19 Oct, I read.

    As for the RX-1R2 is seems to now come with battery charger since the USB charger is still included, because on the "what's in the Box" it also lists a charger BC-DCX. I have on idea what that one is.
    It's the BX1 charger. I carry 4 batteries so I'd rather that there was a multi-battery charger so that I can charge two at once.
    Sony Battery and Travel DC Charger Kit with NP-BX1 ACCTRDCX B&H

    Better yet just pay the $30 and get yourself a couple of these. That's the approach I took with the A7 series cameras. No point getting all worked up over Sony being cheap with including battery chargers. Heck for $3k they should include a couple of batteries, a normal charger AND a USB charger!
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    Re-thinking this... I can't really imagine hand holding this 42mp box without the aid of IBIS. I do like my RII because it has a fine IBIS.
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    I just rented rx1 for a week and had a lot of fun with it. Images, controls and size of camera were beyond great. Despite of all the fun rx1 had plenty of shortcomings. Looks like Sony fixed ALL issues I found except for a short battery life.

    If I ever going to have two full frame camera setup again one of them will be rx1[r2] or similar.
    After all I had 35mm lens on one body pretty much 100% of time on my Canons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen.s1 View Post
    Re-thinking this... I can't really imagine hand holding this 42mp box without the aid of IBIS. I do like my RII because it has a fine IBIS.
    Well it is a heck of a lot smaller to hold steady too. I bet you could get really close to the RII with IBIS on.
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    "big question is what is leica is going to do?" --msadat

    Yes. Loyal as I've been, and as much as I like the way Leicas feel in my hands, I'm afraid they're not going to be able to keep up. An A7rII has replaced my Monochrom, and this may replace my M-E. I'm afraid the present Q and the forthcoming SL will outdo Sony's offerings only in the market for jewelry.

    Anyway, the name of the new model is interesting: how many upper and lower case R's and how many Arabic and Roman numerals will it take to reach "R2"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by msadat View Post
    big question is what is leica is going to do?
    A Herme's edition Q. After all, this is their target audience.

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    A Herme's edition Q. After all, this is their target audience.
    Followed by Safari edition Q.

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    A Herme's edition Q. After all, this is their target audience.

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    Followed by Safari edition Q.
    And then the Lenny Kravitz edition. They'll be busy indeed
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    Re: Rx1r2

    I "had" an RX1r. I really did like it...but the continuous/tracking AF was weak. So if the new one is decent since it has the hybrid setup same as A7 series that could make things interesting. The optic is awesome.

    I looked at it as a great backup camera to a nikon/canon system. Perhaps something to take with you when you really don't want to take a camera.

    And even better...a backup to MF tech cameras since it takes up so little room in a bag. Hauling MF gear usually means other cameras get left at home...

    But yeah...price is a little rough. Sony A6000 seems like a great compact camera for the money. Good AF too.

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    The first thing that came to my mind after the initial awe was that a built-in flash was missing. Sorry.
    The A6000 with a substantially quieter shutter would be the perfect wedding and street camera. Yes, not necessarily silent, just a lot quieter.
    My 6D with EFC on is way quieter than the A6000 and it is a reflex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jordanreeder View Post
    I "had" an RX1r. I really did like it...but the continuous/tracking AF was weak. So if the new one is decent since it has the hybrid setup same as A7 series that could make things interesting. The optic is awesome.

    I looked at it as a great backup camera to a nikon/canon system. Perhaps something to take with you when you really don't want to take a camera.

    And even better...a backup to MF tech cameras since it takes up so little room in a bag. Hauling MF gear usually means other cameras get left at home...

    But yeah...price is a little rough. Sony A6000 seems like a great compact camera for the money. Good AF too.

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    Re: Rx1r2

    ..as i own a a7r and an a7 i have the guts to write the following in the sony section of this forum....: i would like to have the technology of the rx1r2 in the form factor and with the dials and bells and whistles of a fuji x100t..i went to do some landscape photography last month and was surprised by the "analog feel" of using the fuji (but of course it cant mess with the picture quality of the a7(r)..even though ist not bad at all for 16mp etc..which is why nevertheless i took the more "serious" shots with the sonys, of course)..

    ..put the technology of the rx1r2 in a retro styled body, give it ovf and evf, pair it with a fine lens (which the 35/2 undoubtedly is, maybe a little less depth would be fine just for handling) and you also reach a broad margin of leica users..

    ..just my 2 c..

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    Quote Originally Posted by olegkin View Post
    Looks like Sony fixed ALL issues I found except for a short battery life.
    Actually I think they're right about using the same little battery across all their models. Many have more than one Sony camera and with one interchangeable battery it makes life much easier. Also bear in mind that bigger battery means inevitably bigger and heavier camera. Unless you're a machine gunner, 300 shots before stopping to change a battery; what, 30 seconds? Can't be such a bind.
    With 35mm film it was every 36 shots, medium format, even more frequently. I do think popping a couple of small batteries in a pocket is well worth the difference.
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    one thing still baffles me. that super high res EVF in leica Q..... as far as i know, not that many manufacturers out there that make high res EVF-type display.... so i wonder why sony held back and not follow suit. but whats even more interesting is that not alot of big people make a big deal out of that even in glowingly positive leica Q review. the 2m dot EVF has been around for some time and it's probably one of the last thing that hasnt been upgraded since NEX-7 days. yea, i know the video feed from sensor has greatly improved and also refresh rate as seen on A6000 but in the name of chasing pixels...shouldnt the 3m dot EVF be pushed forward too. on A7rII may be building cost is the restriction, but on RX1rII, really?
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    Ha, I hadn't considered the problems of shooting 42 MP, really getting that detail considering no IBIS/blur....

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    Re: Rx1r2

    Quote Originally Posted by raist3d View Post
    Ha, I hadn't considered the problems of shooting 42 MP, really getting that detail considering no IBIS/blur....

    - Ricardo
    Why would that be a problem considering the high pixel 1", m43 and such sensor cams out there?

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    Was waiting (forever) Ricoh to announce the Pentax FF... then Sony announce this one. It is a pretty powerful versatile camera especially for landscape and street and the EVF (even if I do not like it) is a pretty essential addition for this kind of device. The new AF, the sensor, the EVF, the lens... a pretty overkill camera for most of us. In some months the price will be lower. Grey market on such device is less risky than on DSLR (less moving parts).

    Good job sony.
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    Re: Rx1r2

    Sold my original RX1 yesterday to a local friend so hopefully he will let me borrow it back to do a comparison when the new model arrives.

    For me it ticks off all of my wish list items so this is a no-brainer purchase. The original gave so much joy and satisfaction and still stands as my favorite Sony body but having fast PDAF, a built-in EVF, tilt screen, wifi and the variable low-pass filter is too much to pass up.

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    Re: Rx1r2

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    It's the BX1 charger. I carry 4 batteries so I'd rather that there was a multi-battery charger so that I can charge two at once.
    This is your lucky day:
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...arger_for.html
    Have been using this charger with a whole bunch of different battery plates, and it's been great.
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    Re: Rx1r2

    Quote Originally Posted by 4season View Post
    This is your lucky day:
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...arger_for.html
    Have been using this charger with a whole bunch of different battery plates, and it's been great.
    +1

    Although the Watson Duo Charger isn't exactly compact, it works great and is not much more expensive than buying two Sony single-battery chargers.

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