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Ken Rockwell disparages pretty much everything, Sony included.Me thinks the Sony man doth protest too much.
Despite advancements in the Sony man's camera, it seems that he still feels so inferior that he must disparage both the products of other makers, and those who choose to use them.
- Marc
Digital cameras ARE disposable goods, though I imagine the aluminium in the SL and magnesium in the A7Rii may have some value left after the electronics have gone to the landfill.Digital cameras are close to being disposable consumer goods? ?
Kirk
Clearly because Leica has cornered the market on users who are all fools!!! There can be no other explanation - seriously all Leica users are just silly ...why they don't see the world the way Sony wants them to see it- is just one of those great mysteries - now solved by me- we Leica users are clearly just idjots...Let us be honest- how about overpriced and way behind the curve? Why would anyone dump money on that?
Even Leica will not compare the SL with the A7R II.
No doubt that I also have had my share of Leica trials and tribulations. Most of them rectified eventually.This happens pretty often – people post something that I thought was humorous, and others take it to be snarky. The Leica Man sounded like a good joke to me.
On Jaree's point, I too have had serious problems right out of the box with otherwise beloved Leica products: An M9 with wobbly/disconnected shutter button (whole electronic part of shutter had to be replaced), and a 35 FLE that rattled and didn't 'stay put' at f1.4. Also some repairs that had to be repeated.
But I don't suppose Sony is any better (viz., decentered lenses).
Digital cameras are close to being disposable consumer goods? ?
Kirk
I have Leica M9, Chrom and 240. My wish is that Leica won't put inferior sensor in the next M iteration. I don't mind paying more for the red dot as I like their lenses characters so much but not so thrill with behind the curve sensor.
I disagree on both counts. My feeling from working with M-P files compared to A7 files is that the Leica sensor produces superior results, probably due to being a better match to my lenses and not having a crippled compression mechanism. I felt that way even about the M9 compared to the A7, or I wouldn't have sold the A7.24mp just doesn't cut it any more, particularly at these elevated prices. If the reason given on DPR for Leica using a 24mp sensor, namely that anything over 24mp "seemed excessive", then that answer sounds a tad disingenuous. It is more likely that Leica either don't have the right higher resolution sensor option, or don't want to eat in to their even pricier Leica S camera line, which tops out at 37.5mp.
I'm glad to hear you are happy with your equipment. I look forward to seeing some of the photographs.Well, I just spent a wonderful afternoon with my A7r2 and WATE at Los Luceros, the oldest continuously operated Hacienda, since 1703, in the state of New Mexico. After the last two days of rain, we had perfect weather today.
The Cottonwood trees in the bosque along the Rio Grande were featuring their peak fall colors, glorious yellow under navy blue skies and white snowy mountain tops of the Sangre de Cristos at the horizon, after the generous precipitation of the last two days.
The A7r2 with IBIS and the WATE comprise a rather compact package that fits my hand superbly. After two months of ownership muscle memory has taken over in operating the camera. The mirrorless ILC performed magnificently in the fairly dark interior of historical buildings, among the shady Cottonwood trees, and under bright open skies in full sunshine. The perfect tool for the occasion. No problems, whatsoever, encountered. Great company, a most enjoyable afternoon, here in the "Land of Enchantment"! :thumbs:
I disagree on both counts. My feeling from working with M-P files compared to A7 files is that the Leica sensor produces superior results, probably due to being a better match to my lenses and not having a crippled compression mechanism. I felt that way even about the M9 compared to the A7, or I wouldn't have sold the A7.
And at least for my photography and my lenses, 24 Mpixel is enough to make any output I'm ever going to need to make. It's already more than enough, in fact. I'm not one of those who customarily makes wall-sized prints—if I were, I'd likely find the scratch to invest in one of the Leica S models mentioned. I'd bet the same is true for the majority of photographers.
I believe strongly that there really is a point where enough is enough: Photographs don't always benefit from more, more, and yet more. Photographers even less. No matter what a manufacturer might want you to believe.
G
To what extent do you think they're different? I agree the other comparisons you want to make also make sense, but those are even more dissimilar cameras then the A7rII.I have no interest in the comparison between SL and A7r II. Two completely different cameras, far as I'm concerned. I'd rather evaluate the SL on its own merits, and not gauge its performance by a stupid test that presupposes a foolish way to make exposures and correct them. If I'm going to compare the SL to anything, that will be the Leica R8, Leica S, Leica M240, or DSLRs like the Nikon D750.
I can't comment on the sensor quality, but the crippled compression mechanism in the A7RII is a thing of the past.My feeling from working with M-P files compared to A7 files is that the Leica sensor produces superior results, probably due to being a better match to my lenses and not having a crippled compression mechanism.
Is that what you think?Clearly because Leica has cornered the market on users who are all fools!!! There can be no other explanation - seriously all Leica users are just silly ...why they don't see the world the way Sony wants them to see it- is just one of those great mysteries - now solved by me- we Leica users are clearly just idjots...
Sorry to hear it, but that doesn't mean it's true.Me thinks Thou protest too much! :bugeyes:
Well, how much do you want for it? It doesn't appear that you ever listed it for sale.Now I can't give away the crappy A7R to fund the superlative A7R-II
I don't give a tinker's damn about Sony-Leica comparisons, or the on-going blather that surrounds it.
I want to know what Sony is doing for a customer that already bought one of their cameras, and a few, mostly slow aperture, mediocre FE lenses.
Raw compression may be a thing of the past on the A7R-II ... but not the A7R I already paid for.
Did Sony fix that?, because I'd like to update rather than shell out for yet another camera so soon.
While we are at it, did Sony fix the snail slow lag in the A7R, or the shutter slap heard around the world?
The new giant FE lenses may be excellent, but not the 24-70/4 and 35/2.8 FE lenses I already paid for.
Now I can't give away the crappy A7R to fund the superlative A7R-II ... which is sure to be deemed crappy when the even more superlative A7R-III hits the market in short order.
I suppose the only option is to buy the A7R-II to get the fixes ... thus rewarding Sony for mediocrity.
- Marc
Well, it certainly feels that way to meSorry to hear it, but that doesn't mean it's true.