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actually they are all okay outside... they just don't display a very usfull image. The plus is contrastier than the non plus... the black (backlight) of the non plus is not really black so it looks softer. Too, as the non plus has less resolution. The plus LCD is good enough to tell the focus plane if you shoot at wide apertures (so you can roughly tell sharp from soft). On the non plus even this is impossible. With wide DOF both displays are not approriate to judge if the image is really sharp at all (you can't tell softness due to shake for example).My Sinar screen is no better. I think only the Leaf is larger, and only the Leica is bright enough for outside (supposedly, since in this forum, I think only David Farkas has tried it outside so far).
So I wouldn't expect very much from the S2 display.The camera's large LCD is good, but not great. Apparently it was specified a couple of years ago and was state-of-the-art then.
Michael was way too kind to Leica when he said that - 2 years ago the high-end LCDs like those sported by the Nikon D3 series were already out and about, let alone specified (D3, announced in August 2007). The S2's LCD, while hopefully good enough, has never been state-of-the-art, not even in the planning stage... shame, for such an high-end product (and for that price). However, if you are into that kind of things, or if you plan to bring the S2 into heavy fights or that kind of action, you can get the sapphire cover for your LCD. The price? You could buy a good DSLR and a lens or two for the same amount of cash, but hey, what are you going to do... :ROTFL:...
As to the LCD of the S2 Michael states on LuLa in his S2 first impressions article: The camera's large LCD is good, but not great. Apparently it was specified a couple of years ago and was state-of-the-art then.
So I wouldn't expect very much from the S2 display.
well, if you can't that's your problem. As you can't use it seriously for anything else than the histogram or a rough idea about the composition anyway ... it is okay to see the Histogram. Simple as that. Actually you knew it before or at the latest in the moment you bought the back. If you need the display for anything else than the histogram and changing settings than it's clearly the wrong purchase for you. Use it like a film back with "metering" incorporated; that's all.How in HELL can someone be satisfied or think it is OK for outdoor use ?
No matter how good the LCD of a camera/back it's ALWAYS better to learn to read a histogram than to try to judge based on the brightness of the LCD.How in HELL can someone be satisfied or think it is OK for outdoor use ? I mean yes you can see the image in a form or another, you can even check focus, but to check the exposure it is hard. Without switching between highlight clipping and the histogram it is impossible. That is just sad for such expensive backs. I mean compared to my 5DMkII it hurts every time to go back to that ****ty Phase LCD. I'm not even starting to talk about the new High End LCDs on a d3x. It will be interesting if phase actually re designs their next generation or if they risk to ship the same old LCD from, well it feels like 2000. My Canon 10D LCD was far better.
especially as the Phase backs display the image tagged with the default color space and the film curve "linear response".No matter how good the LCD of a camera/back it's ALWAYS better to learn to read a histogram than to try to judge based on the brightness of the LCD.
yes. that's simply untrue.any comments?
The S2's screen is much better than the Canon 1Ds mkIII, but not quite as nice as the D3x (all three cameras use 3" LCDs and are current models, so it's the closest comparison). It is much, much nicer than H3DII, P1, or Leaf screens. If you are okay with the resolution and size of an iPhone, you will like the S2's LCD. They are both 360x480 pixels and 3".Michael was way too kind to Leica when he said that - 2 years ago the high-end LCDs like those sported by the Nikon D3 series were already out and about, let alone specified (D3, announced in August 2007). The S2's LCD, while hopefully good enough, has never been state-of-the-art, not even in the planning stage... shame, for such an high-end product (and for that price). However, if you are into that kind of things, or if you plan to bring the S2 into heavy fights or that kind of action, you can get the sapphire cover for your LCD. The price? You could buy a good DSLR and a lens or two for the same amount of cash, but hey, what are you going to do... :ROTFL:
Hi Jim,
David, I certainly don't doubt your experience nor (as I wrote in my previous message) the adequacy of the S2 screen. However, the point was wether it was "state-of-the-art" when it was planned, which it certainly was not: much better screens were out there two years ago, which means they were specified at least 4 years ago. Leica choose not to use one, which is fine, and choose to offer the sapphire upgrade as a (very) expensive extra, which is fine - a manufacturer can do what they want, of course; however, the good part of this is that we the customers can then vote with our wallets on wether a manufacturer did the right choice for us or notThe S2's screen is much better than the Canon 1Ds mkIII, but not quite as nice as the D3x (all three cameras use 3" LCDs and are current models, so it's the closest comparison). It is much, much nicer than H3DII, P1, or Leaf screens. If you are okay with the resolution and size of an iPhone, you will like the S2's LCD. They are both 360x480 pixels and 3".
I'm not sure why Michael would have written what he did, but my experience differed from his. Outside, the screen wasn't as bright as I would have liked, but it was okay in bright sun. To date, the most visible LCD in bright daylight is still the Leica DMR. Small, yes, but better than anything else in FL sun.
David
wrong reading of the LuLa article and the issue. If you change contrast, saturation or any other image setting on DSLRs the adjustments (of the image, not the LCD) are reflected in the histogram of the JPEG - and this is what DSLRs display. The same applies to motif programs of DSLRs of course. DSLRs do not display the actual RAW file but the processed JPEGs.
The iPhone's screen is 3" X 2" (3.5" diagonal) I doubt the S2's screen is as big.If you are okay with the resolution and size of an iPhone, you will like the S2's LCD. They are both 360x480 pixels and 3".
David
Okay, so the S2's screen offers a higher DPI res than the iPhone. If they have the same number of pixels and the S2 LCD is slightly smaller (3" vs. 3.2") it should look sharper.The iPhone's screen is 3" X 2" (3.5" diagonal) I doubt the S2's screen is as big.
Vieri,David, I certainly don't doubt your experience nor (as I wrote in my previous message) the adequacy of the S2 screen. However, the point was wether it was "state-of-the-art" when it was planned, which it certainly was not: much better screens were out there two years ago, which means they were specified at least 4 years ago. Leica choose not to use one, which is fine, and choose to offer the sapphire upgrade as a (very) expensive extra, which is fine - a manufacturer can do what they want, of course; however, the good part of this is that we the customers can then vote with our wallets on wether a manufacturer did the right choice for us or not