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    No love for E-P3?

    Just curious. While I saw lot of enthusiasm about G3s, don't see anyone talking about E-P3. At least from the specs Olympus might have a winner in the hand, but bit surprised to see no one is talking about.

    Did anyone here get hands on E-P3? What's your experience so far?

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    Still waiting for it to land in the UK... plenty of comments over on mu-43.com here.

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    As my EP2 went to my son, I ordered the EP3 kit with 14-45 and 45-150 and hope to get it in 2 weeks. Will keep you updated about my findings, and how I like it. But as I already liked the EP2 very much I assume I will become a real fan of the EP3.

    Will see what I will do then with my GH2, maybe sell and get some of the M43 primes for that money.

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    I've got lots of love for my new E-P3

    My wife being a good sport with the "new camera smile":



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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    Sounds fantastic to me. I have one on order, but all they can say is 'sometime in August'.
    We shall see - Amin - please give yourself a smart slap for getting yours before I do!

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Sounds fantastic to me. I have one on order, but all they can say is 'sometime in August'.
    We shall see - Amin - please give yourself a smart slap for getting yours before I do!
    Dips toes in water again....

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Dips toes in water again....
    Ah - the pot and kettle syndrome! But to be honest Terry, a year ago it was only Sony and Leica - since then everything has hit the fan (Olympus, Panasonic, Pentax) . . . and in 3 months I might predict that it will be . . . only Sony and Leica.

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    Quote Originally Posted by sagar View Post
    Just curious. While I saw lot of enthusiasm about G3s, don't see anyone talking about E-P3. At least from the specs Olympus might have a winner in the hand, but bit surprised to see no one is talking about.

    Did anyone here get hands on E-P3? What's your experience so far?
    They may well have a winner on their hands, but perhaps via a more traditional route. Most of the major review sites have yet to offer their full reviews, but a lot of previews are somewhat unenthusiastic about the EP3. Certain features are appreciated (fast AF being an example), but there is a lot of "..this is what the EP2 should have been...", going on.

    Photographers, on the other hand, are loving it. Sure, image quality doesn't push things forward much, but for the class of camera the EP2 was a winner in this regard. The important thing is that so far, most of the users I know (some personally, some via forums) who take photography seriously really like the camera and enjoy using it.

    So it may get very good, but not rave technical reviews. But it's getting some good photographer buzz: it looks good, feels good, it's fast, can capture an excellent file and has a few new features that are opening some creative doors. This is stuff that's hard to headline if you want web traffic, but it can sell a lot of cameras to people who care about such things.

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Ah - the pot and kettle syndrome! But to be honest Terry, a year ago it was only Sony and Leica - since then everything has hit the fan (Olympus, Panasonic, Pentax) . . . and in 3 months I might predict that it will be . . . only Sony and Leica.
    Yeah I am waiting to see what the NEX7 brings. For a company that I've had a love/hate relationship with over the years they seem to be pretty thoughtful on the camera side of things. They do slip up now an then like about 2 years ago with a whole mash up of different models but the A77 is going to be an eye opener.

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    I don't think the E-P3 is going to get very good reviews from the major sites. There's a lot of emphasis on sensor image quality, and that's a definite weak point for this camera.

    For me, the major strength of MFT image quality is the lenses. Sites like DPR and Imaging Resource mention the lenses only in passing when reviewing these cameras.

    Scoring on points, the GH2 and G3 would KO the E-P3, but I'm very happy with the Pen. Jono and Brian, hope yours comes sooner than you expect!
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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Ah - the pot and kettle syndrome! But to be honest Terry, a year ago it was only Sony and Leica - since then everything has hit the fan (Olympus, Panasonic, Pentax) . . . and in 3 months I might predict that it will be . . . only Sony and Leica.
    LOL! Uh huh, the Wheel Of Magpie Syndrome continues to turn! ;-) (Hey, I'm as susceptible as anyone else.)

    I have some interest in the E-PL2, E-P3 and E-PL3 bodies as vehicles to use Leica RF lenses on, it depends on how well the GXR's upcoming M-lens camera unit works. Although what I should do, rather than buying anything else, is just put money away towards acquiring that black M9 body and the lenses I want use on it. But WOMS is hard to defeat ...

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amin View Post
    I don't think the E-P3 is going to get very good reviews from the major sites. There's a lot of emphasis on sensor image quality, and that's a definite weak point for this camera.

    For me, the major strength of MFT image quality is the lenses. Sites like DPR and Imaging Resource mention the lenses only in passing when reviewing these cameras.

    Scoring on points, the GH2 and G3 would KO the E-P3, but I'm very happy with the Pen. Jono and Brian, hope yours comes sooner than you expect!
    Exactly right.

    I feel that MFT sensor 'weaknesses' are overstated, and the lenses ignored. It's the overall system that should be considered, but review sites are not set up that way.

    I much prefer field reviews by photographers.

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Sounds fantastic to me. I have one on order, but all they can say is 'sometime in August'.
    We shall see - Amin - please give yourself a smart slap for getting yours before I do!
    LOL, Jono... Amin would have slapped himself silly by now if he was following that advice - I've already scolded him about that

    Congratulations Amin, you're a lucky man... do you really have to let the GH2 go though? I would have thought the 2 cameras a great match. Lovely photo of your better half too

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    Thanks, Brian. I can't afford to keep both cameras, unfortunately. Also, I find that I bond better with a camera when it is my one and only. Hopefully the GH2 will bring as much enjoyment to the new owner as it did to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    LOL, Jono... Amin would have slapped himself silly by now if he was following that advice - I've already scolded him about that

    Congratulations Amin, you're a lucky man... do you really have to let the GH2 go though? I would have thought the 2 cameras a great match. Lovely photo of your better half too

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    MY hierarchic order:

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    When Oly puts a good EVF into the EP3 and adds an articulating screen, I'll consider getting one! What it loses in sexy form factor, it will more than gain in functionality, versatility, and useability. That's the deal for me and how I like to work. For now, Panny still rules the roost for me (GF1 first foray into m4/3, then added GH2 and now a G3 coming soon).
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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    When Oly puts a good EVF into the EP3 and adds an articulating screen, ..
    then it is named LUMIX ...

    such things exist ---> conclusio: we don't need Olys with good EVF & articulating screen,

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    I was thinking the same thing - you already have the solution... a GH2!

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    I've got the GH2 and the EP3 now (its sort of a loaner) and a EVF and articulating LCD would not make it a GH2

    GH2 is a very good hybrid still/video camera. Far outclassing the PEN in that regard.

    The PEN though is quite different than the Panny's because of its IBIS and form factor.

    If they made a PEN with a built in EVF and kept the RF style body it would still be rather different than the SLR styled G series bodies.

    Panny's jpeg's would still be quite different as well.


    Similar cameras but often quite different when your shooting with them. The Gh2 is the better overall camera. It does way more, have more features, evf, lcd, video, direct controls, ergonomics with larger glass, and with RAW I think it does have the edge in IQ

    However, I really do enjoy the PEN for what it is as well. I tried my 100-300 on it and it was a nightmare (maybe the VF2 would help, dont have it) but with the 14mm f2.5 on it, it handles like a dream and can easily slip into my pocket on my cargo shorts.

    Big difference with it and the GH2, and with those faster primes, none of which have IS, the PEN IBIS actually makes a bigger difference than I thought.

    I've always been one to say you don't really need it except for long lenses, but given the less than stellar high ISO quality of these cameras, being able to get a sharp handheld shot at a slower shutter speed rather than bumping the ISO a few stops makes a big difference.

    I kind of like having it in camera and wish Panny would follow suit.

    I really don't think I'll keep both, but sort of want to. I want the Gh2 for video, 7-14, 100-300 and the EVF/LCD for bright sun and tripod work.

    EP3 just for its stylish body and handling with a small prime. More of a camera when you want to take just a single lens and head out.

    Sadly they both cost $899 so kinda pricey to do that

    Quote Originally Posted by hot View Post
    When Oly puts a good EVF into the EP3 and adds an articulating screen, ..
    then it is named LUMIX ...

    such things exist ---> conclusio: we don't need Olys with good EVF & articulating screen,

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    As a Lumix m4/3 shooter from the early days of m4/3, I am very comfortable and happy with the GF1, GH2, and soon to add G3. That said, I agree that the E-P3 has a nice form factor and would be a cool camera to have. I wouldn't give up a GH2 or G3 to have an E-P3, however. Perhaps Panasonic will finally come out with a high end GF model (GF pro?) that would have a low profile (or no hump) EVF and articulating screen. I'd buy something like that in a heartbeat.
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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    Different strokes...

    I love my E-P3. I like the flexibility of having or not having the EVF on it. I like the form - so much like the camera I grew up with: OM1/2. That camera body was no bigger than the E-Px's and no one complained about 'looking foolish' or 'can't handle' big lenses. Many admired what Oly was able to accomplish in size and ergonomics at the time. The ever increasing size of DSLRs is one of the main reasons we're all here.

    Would I accect/want a built-in EVF? Well, if it were no more obtrusive than the OMs, yes. I'd also prefer it on the left side -there is no longer have a need for center VF and the RF-style positioning only makes sense (who wants their nose stuck in a camera)?

    I love the fact that Oly and Panny are both such viable lines!

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    Tom, did you every try to shoot a 200-600mm equiv lens on your OM though ? I doubt anyone complained about it handling "big lenses" because I doubt there were any.

    Have you actually tried the 100-300 on the EP3 even ? I find 600mm equiv is difficult to shoot even with the GH2. Thats a lot of focal length and it really does require some technique for sharp files. Even with EVF and my hands giving two points of contact its tough.

    I just can't have any luck with the EP3 and that lens. Its not well balanced, there isn't enough grip, and holding 600mm with arms outstretched is just the worst possible way to shoot.

    I think the VF2 would help a bit, but then again, I kinda figure if I spend nearly $300 for a VF, why not just keep the GH2 and the EP3. Having a Gh2 is far more useful than just sticking a nearly $300 awkward looking VF on the PEN I suppose


    Quote Originally Posted by thearne3 View Post
    Different strokes...

    I love my E-P3. I like the flexibility of having or not having the EVF on it. I like the form - so much like the camera I grew up with: OM1/2. That camera body was no bigger than the E-Px's and no one complained about 'looking foolish' or 'can't handle' big lenses. Many admired what Oly was able to accomplish in size and ergonomics at the time. The ever increasing size of DSLRs is one of the main reasons we're all here.

    Would I accect/want a built-in EVF? Well, if it were no more obtrusive than the OMs, yes. I'd also prefer it on the left side -there is no longer have a need for center VF and the RF-style positioning only makes sense (who wants their nose stuck in a camera)?

    I love the fact that Oly and Panny are both such viable lines!

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    I was thinking the same thing - you already have the solution... a GH2!
    Wrong! "only" G1, GH1, G2, G3

    I never had desire for GH2

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    I've been practicing with the 100-300 and am finding a monopod useful. With the monopod it also becomes much easier to use both touch focus and touch shutter. I know that increases the size of the kit but the 100-300 is not exactly part of a street shooting stealth kit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Millsart View Post
    Tom, did you every try to shoot a 200-600mm equiv lens on your OM though ? I doubt anyone complained about it handling "big lenses" because I doubt there were any.

    Have you actually tried the 100-300 on the EP3 even ? I find 600mm equiv is difficult to shoot even with the GH2. Thats a lot of focal length and it really does require some technique for sharp files. Even with EVF and my hands giving two points of contact its tough.

    I just can't have any luck with the EP3 and that lens. Its not well balanced, there isn't enough grip, and holding 600mm with arms outstretched is just the worst possible way to shoot.

    I think the VF2 would help a bit, but then again, I kinda figure if I spend nearly $300 for a VF, why not just keep the GH2 and the EP3. Having a Gh2 is far more useful than just sticking a nearly $300 awkward looking VF on the PEN I suppose

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    Quote Originally Posted by hot View Post
    Wrong! "only" G1, GH1, G2, G3

    I never had desire for GH2
    Which is where you exactly are wrong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Which is where you exactly are wrong!
    G3 has IQ as at least as good as the GH2 without the extensive video control. I have both and for day to day shooting keep picking up the G3 over the GH2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    G3 has IQ as at least as good as the GH2 without the extensive video control. I have both and for day to day shooting keep picking up the G3 over the GH2.
    Knowing IQ from GH2 and from EP2 I still prefer EP2 - sorry. So if G3 is as good as GH2 then ok, I will prefer my EP3 then in terms of IQ

    What a lot of people do not like in the EP series is that it does not have built in EVF. Which s a big benefit of the G3 and other Panasonics. But lack of built in IS and lack of IQ I am used from Olympus still do not compensate enough to go for a G3.

    Obviously not all cameras are equally ok for all users ..... old story, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Knowing IQ from GH2 and from EP2 I still prefer EP2 - sorry. So if G3 is as good as GH2 then ok, I will prefer my EP3 then in terms of IQ

    What a lot of people do not like in the EP series is that it does not have built in EVF. Which s a big benefit of the G3 and other Panasonics. But lack of built in IS and lack of IQ I am used from Olympus still do not compensate enough to go for a G3.

    Obviously not all cameras are equally ok for all users ..... old story, right?
    I was simply commenting on your comment back to Hot about him being wrong about preferring other Panasonic's to the GH2. My comment had nothing to do with the Panasonic IQ vs the Oly IQ.

    I'm not going to touch the IQ differences because I shoot RAW and the distinction between Oly Jpegs and Panasonic jpegs isn't a factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    I was simply commenting on your comment back to Hot about him being wrong about preferring other Panasonic's to the GH2. My comment had nothing to do with the Panasonic IQ vs the Oly IQ.

    I'm not going to touch the IQ differences because I shoot RAW and the distinction between Oly Jpegs and Panasonic jpegs isn't a factor.
    I am also exclusively shooting RAW. But with the right processing SW the Oly files look (far) better to me on my screens as the Panasonic files - even from GH2. So if G3 has similar IQ as GH2 then I know I would not prefer it above a EP3.

    But I was commenting on the lineup mentioned by HOT, as he listed G1 and GH1, he prefers to GH2, which I cannot follow. Or did I get something wrong because I did not exactly follow all the posts in this thread?

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    Hehe, I never use RAW - if you have good cameras, you do not ned (lifetime consuming) RAW.
    It's the same like believing to need a RollsRoyce to get fresh rolls from backery next street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hot View Post
    Hehe, I never use RAW - if you have good cameras, you do not ned (lifetime consuming) RAW.
    It's the same like believing to need a RollsRoyce to get fresh rolls from backery next street.
    Sorry to say, but it is exactly the other way round for RAW - maybe you will find out one day.

    WRT RollsRoyce you are right though.

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    What makes you prefer the G3 over the GH2 out of curiosity ? I had and sort of hated the G3 in some ways but love the GH2. My previous m4/3 was a Gh1 so maybe that has something to do with it.

    G3 while not really any smaller/lighter in a meaningful way just as that little numb of a grip that just makes my hand cramp up holding it. Maybe its the size of my hands but I feel like I'm holding it with my fingertips rather than being able to wrap my fingers around the grip.

    Also the lack of the EVF/LCD switch I find personally annoying as I go back and forth between the two on a shot by shot basis often.

    The overall lack of controls as well I find a little annoying on the G3 as well. GH2 is great with a switch/dial for nearly every shooting mode/AF type etc you could want. Its really got probably the most direct control of any camera of any type I've ever owned.

    G3 isn't bad by any means, some overly small and hard to press buttons perhaps, and I find the EVF not as good. I don't know if my eye is sensative to refresh rates or what, but the EVF on the GH2 just looks far more comfortable to my eye. G3 sort of made me feel like I'd get a headache. probably just me.

    Again, not saying the G3 is a bad camera, but it just seems to have no advantage over the GH2 other than its a bit cheaper (and far easier to find in stock)

    Just curious what would make you grab for it when both are sitting side by side ?


    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    G3 has IQ as at least as good as the GH2 without the extensive video control. I have both and for day to day shooting keep picking up the G3 over the GH2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Millsart View Post
    What makes you prefer the G3 over the GH2 out of curiosity ? I had and sort of hated the G3 in some ways but love the GH2. My previous m4/3 was a Gh1 so maybe that has something to do with it.

    G3 while not really any smaller/lighter in a meaningful way just as that little numb of a grip that just makes my hand cramp up holding it. Maybe its the size of my hands but I feel like I'm holding it with my fingertips rather than being able to wrap my fingers around the grip.

    Also the lack of the EVF/LCD switch I find personally annoying as I go back and forth between the two on a shot by shot basis often.

    The overall lack of controls as well I find a little annoying on the G3 as well. GH2 is great with a switch/dial for nearly every shooting mode/AF type etc you could want. Its really got probably the most direct control of any camera of any type I've ever owned.

    G3 isn't bad by any means, some overly small and hard to press buttons perhaps, and I find the EVF not as good. I don't know if my eye is sensative to refresh rates or what, but the EVF on the GH2 just looks far more comfortable to my eye. G3 sort of made me feel like I'd get a headache. probably just me.

    Again, not saying the G3 is a bad camera, but it just seems to have no advantage over the GH2 other than its a bit cheaper (and far easier to find in stock)

    Just curious what would make you grab for it when both are sitting side by side ?
    Let's start with the notion that I like simpler cameras over complexity. I liked my M8 where there was only center weighted metering and very little to fuss with. i don't change around from AFS/AFC/MF all that often. If I need MF I get MF assist on my M4/3 lenses and I automatically get MF on manual lenses. For me the lever and dial on the GH2 left top panel are never a smooth and easy to adjust movement and I generally ended up taking the camera away from my face. Doesn't happen with the G3.

    What I do use more often is all readily available on the G3 with dedicated buttons:
    EV
    Focus Mode (Single and Face detect)
    ISO
    WB
    Burst/Bracketing

    I have a few things on one page of the quick menu (which is much better than the GH2 quick menu)

    I have the camera set to play back on LCD so when I hit the play button it auto switches and when I bring it back up to my eye I lightly tap the shutter and it is auto switched to the EVF. Generally I don't switch between EVF and LCD shooting on a shot by shot basis. It is more situational where it will be how I'm shooting for an extended period. So, in that way I don't mind the button to switch. That doesn't mean I don't like the GH2 auto switching but there are times where the auto switching actually can get really annoying.

    The size is fine with my hands and they don't feel cramped but that is impossible to predict. Some people complained that the G1 was too small when it first came out.

    To me the G3 a form of replacement for the GF1 and give the features most lacking on that camera. If feels better balanced with small prime lenses vs GH2 which is "all camera". For a lens like the 100-300 the GH2 is better.

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    Terry... can you envision giving up the GH2 and only having the G3 instead? Could you make do with long/heavy lenses and the G3?
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    I'm not Terry ... hehe ... but use EVERY lens ... light/short/long/heavy/whatever with G3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DHart View Post
    Terry... can you envision giving up the GH2 and only having the G3 instead? Could you make do with long/heavy lenses and the G3?
    I will have to let you know in a month when I get back from Kenya. Right now I have a G3 and a GH2 in use and ready to go. I'm sitting here with an extra GH2 body and G3 body and am trying to decide which one to take and which to sell. Leaning towards taking the second G3.

    My first G3 was white and my second the unused one is black. I would love a brown one. So, if someone is going to order black and wants to order brown instead I will swap bodies but it needs be done in the next two weeks.

    I'm sorry for hijacking the E-P3 thread.

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    hot.... you are, in part, to blame in pushing me closer toward adding a G3 to my kit... it all started when I found your G3 Brown thread! Great job with that thread, BTW. Does the G3 feel like it can comfortably hang a 14-140 or 100-300 with the body mounted on a tripod?

    Terry... what a fun trip for you and a great opportunity to really test out the cameras. So, you're thinking of ultimately having three bodies: either a GH2 & two G3s, or two GH2s & one G3?
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    I plan on taking three with me and paring back to two once I'm back. So, the questions are what three do I take 1 GH2 and 2 G3's or 2 GH2's and 1 G3.

    I for sure will not keep 2 x GH2. I will either have 1 GH2 and 1 G3 after the trip or 2 x G3.

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    I'm looking forward to seeing how your final anaylsis goes on GH2 vs. G3. Over the next period of time I'll be making the same comparison. In my case I'll probably keep GH2 and G3. There are some video opportunities I'd like to be well equipped for and I think the GH2 still rules in that venue.
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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    GH2 + G3 seems like an almost perfect match. Had the E-P3 had a viewfinder, it would have been GH2 + E-P3, and that would have been perfect plus (only weather sealing lacking). I'm going to my pusher today to give both a thorough review.

    I tested the GH1 for motor-racing this weekend. That went surprisingly well, eve pan shots. The shutter release feels more responsive than that on my D300. Images will follow.

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    Terry, ever thought maybe about something like a GF3/EP3L or Pen Mini for a second m4/3 body ?

    They certainly lack the EVF but in the event you wanted to travel with a second/spare body they seem like they certainly have a nice size factor. For an African safari I'd of course suggest GH2x2 or GH2 plus G3, but for more typical outings where you do want a backup, they could certainly fit the bill.

    That EPL3 in particular looks like it could add some cool features such as not only the tilting display, but also the IBIS.

    Throw a 14mm f2.5 on that it would be quite the easy to carry in a jacket pocket or cargo short type camera, and from my recent experience with the EP3, got to say I really do like the IBIS. Its not great with longer lenses, but really cool with wides, which Panasonic doesn't offer with in lens OS.

    Semantics between GH2 vs G3 aside, they are rather similar enough that having 2 of either combo doesn't really add all that much, where a much smaller body, and/or one with some unique features could make a lot of sense.

    I'm thinking I'm personally going to go EPL3 and GH2 myself as it seems like that would give me the most shooting options, both with lenses like the 7-14 and 100-300, as well as my primes in that I could go out as small and light as possible or with a bigger kit in a smallish bag.

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    I owned the E-P1 and the E-PL1.
    I preferred the E-PL1 to the E-P1.

    Sounds odd but.....

    I'm seriously not a fan of the Oly UI. they have a lot of great features but way over complicate things. The E-PL1 streamlined the UI a bit where you could at least pick between Super Control Panel or Live Guide where the E-P1 they both needed to be active. I'm also not a fan of the current bottom control dial. So for now the answer is no, not on the table to get one.

    I had gotten out of m4/3 gear completely until this safari came up. Now I have too much gear again. So, I will have at most two m4/3 bodies after this trip.

    I also have and like the X100 and an XZ1 so i am flush with camera gear considering my main love is working with the medium format tech camera.

    Quote Originally Posted by Millsart View Post
    Terry, ever thought maybe about something like a GF3/EP3L or Pen Mini for a second m4/3 body ?

    They certainly lack the EVF but in the event you wanted to travel with a second/spare body they seem like they certainly have a nice size factor. For an African safari I'd of course suggest GH2x2 or GH2 plus G3, but for more typical outings where you do want a backup, they could certainly fit the bill.

    That EPL3 in particular looks like it could add some cool features such as not only the tilting display, but also the IBIS.

    Throw a 14mm f2.5 on that it would be quite the easy to carry in a jacket pocket or cargo short type camera, and from my recent experience with the EP3, got to say I really do like the IBIS. Its not great with longer lenses, but really cool with wides, which Panasonic doesn't offer with in lens OS.

    Semantics between GH2 vs G3 aside, they are rather similar enough that having 2 of either combo doesn't really add all that much, where a much smaller body, and/or one with some unique features could make a lot of sense.

    I'm thinking I'm personally going to go EPL3 and GH2 myself as it seems like that would give me the most shooting options, both with lenses like the 7-14 and 100-300, as well as my primes in that I could go out as small and light as possible or with a bigger kit in a smallish bag.

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    Terry,
    Now I've tried both, and if I were you, I would take 2 x GH2 and one G3. Ergonomics of the GH2 is way better, and if you need to change settings fast, my guess is that the G3 can be annoying at times. Great for casual shots though. The G3 is much smaller than I had anticipated, and with the 14mm, it went easily into a large pocket.

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    Well.
    I wouldn't like to have to rely on just the lower dial, so it's an EP3 or nothing.
    I spent the weekend at Cambridge folk festival, more interested in snapping the people than the bands (which I did with an M9). However, I find it irresistible to shoot band photos.

    Saturday I shot the EPL-2 with the 14-150, and it did a sterling job - good focus, acceptable high ISO fab. But I did miss the thumb wheel on the back, so it's an EP3 for me . . . . . .

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Terry,
    Now I've tried both, and if I were you, I would take 2 x GH2 and one G3. Ergonomics of the GH2 is way better, and if you need to change settings fast, my guess is that the G3 can be annoying at times. Great for casual shots though. The G3 is much smaller than I had anticipated, and with the 14mm, it went easily into a large pocket.
    The G3 is much smaller and people don't realize the real size when they call it a mini dslr. It really isn't in person (no matter how much the pictures don't convey what it really is)

    The way I've got the G3 set up it is very fast for me to change settings.
    I tend to leave the camera on burst and moderate how I push the shutter.
    I won't be moving back and forth between AF/MF much, and
    Switching between single area and face detection is a direct button.

    My 100-300 will be on the GH2 on the G3 I will either have the 14-140 or the Oly 4/3 14-54.

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    Coming back to the original theme of this thread - the EP3:

    I received mine (with the 2 kit zooms) today. First impressions:

    1) EP3 (after using the EP2 for almost 20 months) feels very familiar, much more responsive, the OLED screen definitely a big step forward

    2) AF much faster with the 2 new lenses - also AF via the touch screen works VERY GOOD and accurate - have to get more used to it but could think of this as a potential future way for evolution also in other cameras!

    3) IQ - can only judge on JPEG so far, and I still see some artefacts even in Oly JPEGS, but otherwise the IQ is extremely good!

    4) VF-2 seems to be more accurate on the EP3 compared to the EP2, since the higher sampling rate - I still would like more resolution!

    5) Lenses - thy seem very sharp and handy BUT: they are pure plastic - even the mount is plastic. Maybe this was the case also with older Oly M43 lenses, but at least I did not notice so far, as the mount was silver - my new lenses are all black.

    Maybe the lens issue is not a real issue and the plastic seems to be very durable, but I am kind of irritated - especially if you compare to the rugged and high quality design of the EP3 itself.

    Will see how I like the combo overall. But I guess I need to say goodbye to last century overall build quality

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    On the plastic lenses, they're fine enough. Very light. But I still would like an option for a higher quality zoom lens, something akin to the Olympus 12-60mm lens.

    Now the new 12mm lens... that one is real nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewteee View Post
    On the plastic lenses, they're fine enough. Very light. But I still would like an option for a higher quality zoom lens, something akin to the Olympus 12-60mm lens.

    Now the new 12mm lens... that one is real nice!
    I fully agree! I would at also prefer a second "high grade" line of lenses, built like the 12-60 or the 12 or the 45!

    Must say the camera really is a great little tool, while the lenses just are not what I want! Even if light and cheap, I hate to touch such plastic.

    Another prove that sometimes marketing departments can kill a great product (idea) or even a company.

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    Re: No love for E-P3?

    I have both the GH-2 and the E-P3 as well as a rarely used E-P2.

    I agree with those that have found the GH-2 to have superior low light focus compared to the E-P3. The GH-2 also has an excellent, articulating touch screen as well as the ability to shoot in different formats without a significant loss of pixels.

    Having said that, the E-P3 is easily my choice to shoot with. I love the IBIS for legacy lenses as well as my Oly 75-300, which is a bit smaller than the similar Pana 100-300. I also find it useful even for lenses such as the wonderful new 12mm f/2 prime.

    Also, I greatly prefer the Olympus form factor. It looks and feels slim while the GH-2 feels bulky and large. The E-P3 with the tiny 14-42 kit zoom looks like a cute P&S, the GH-2 with the kit 14-45 does not.

    I also love the Oly jPEGs. From the days of my long gone E-1 to my E-P2 and now the E-P3, I have found the Oly jPEGs to require very little PP compared to any other camera I use. Certainly, to my eye, far better than my GH-2.

    In fact, I generally shoot jpeg only from my Olympus cameras. From my Leica M9 I shoot RAW only. From my Nikon D3x and the GH-2 I shoot RAW+jpeg. I sold plenty of prints four feet on a side from my 5 MP Oly E-1, shot in jpeg, so I am not worried about making quality blowups from the E-P3.

    Generally, I shoot without the VF-2 but I often carry it in a pocket to slip it on if I want it. I am very happy with that and am glad that Olympus has kept the form factor the same for the E-P3. I am not opposed to a built in VF on other Olympus models though. For those that NEED a built in VF, I am glad Panasonic offers a nice alternative.

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