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Knorp
31st January 2019, 10:23
Read it here ... An Alliance by: Leica Camera, Panasonic and Sigma (https://l-mount.com)

rickgrainger
31st January 2019, 13:43
I really hope that Leica and Panasonic have been working with Profoto to come out with a TTL version of the Air Remote for their flash systems.

Knorp
1st February 2019, 03:04
Panasonic launch event ...


https://youtu.be/53ll3TCX2Ds

Knorp
1st February 2019, 03:07
Panasonic: Through The Eyes Of Professionals (https://www.panasonic.com/global/consumer/lumix/s.html)

ptomsu
1st February 2019, 03:45
Panasonic: Through The Eyes Of Professionals (https://www.panasonic.com/global/consumer/lumix/s.html)

Many thanks for all the links ....

are you getting one :cool:;):o

Knorp
1st February 2019, 04:02
Many thanks for all the links ....

are you getting one :cool:;):o

Hey Peter, I don't think so. It's a fine camera no doubt, but I'm quite happy and content with my Fuji gear (and Sony and µ43 ...:rolleyes:).
But above all I'd like to know what the other alliance members, Leica (SL2 ?) and let's not forget Sigma (Foveon ?), will announce hopefully any time soon.

I'm not in a hurry ... :sleep:

k-hawinkler
1st February 2019, 04:18
Hey Peter, I don't think so. It's a fine camera no doubt, but I'm quite happy and content with my Fuji gear (and Sony and µ43 ...:rolleyes:).
But above all I'd like to know what the other alliance members, Leica (SL2 ?) and let's not forget Sigma (Foveon ?), will announce hopefully any time soon.

I'm not in a hurry ... :sleep:


Interesting take on cameras Bart. Fuji, Sony, Olympus for me. :thumbs: :thumbup: :grin:
But which non-Leica camera would be best for my Leica M and R lenses? :facesmack: :LOL:

bensonga
1st February 2019, 07:19
But above all I'd like to know what the other alliance members, Leica (SL2 ?) and let's not forget Sigma (Foveon ?), will announce hopefully any time soon.
I'm not in a hurry ... :sleep:

It is a FF Sigma Foveon L-mount camera that could tempt me. Add a few Sigma Art primes. :thumbs:

Just yesterday I made a few more 13x19 inch prints from my DP1, DP2 and DP3 Merrill Death Valley images to show some friends who were not familiar with the Foveon sensor. Re image quality, those little cameras definitely punch above their weight.

Hmmm...an opportunity to use my Leica R lenses on a FF Foveon camera. Didn’t think I would ever see that day coming.

Gary

Knorp
2nd February 2019, 01:34
As far as lenses concerned there will be plenty to choose from in the foreseeable future; some 'cheap', some 'dear' ...

138980

source: Photographyblog

bensonga
9th February 2019, 13:48
I don't know how I missed this interview with the CEO of Sigma re their plans for the L-mount alliance. Very good news for those of us who like the Foveon sensor (Sigma will develop a FF Foveon L-mount camera) and those who like Sigma lenses. Sigma will offer many of their DSLR lenses in a L-mount and develop a line of native L-mount lenses with the shorter flange distance possible with mirrorless cameras.

Gary

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2018/10/02/sigma-interview-photokina-2018-ceo-kazuto-yamaki-give-peek-l-mount-alliance

ptomsu
10th February 2019, 01:45
Interesting take on cameras Bart. Fuji, Sony, Olympus for me. :thumbs: :thumbup: :grin:
But which non-Leica camera would be best for my Leica M and R lenses? :facesmack: :LOL:

Why not go with a used Leica camera for your M lenses - a used M240 or M10 or even better a used SL, which should become pretty cheap as soon as the SL2 is announced.

k-hawinkler
10th February 2019, 02:05
Peter I still have an M9.

ptomsu
10th February 2019, 05:21
Peter I still have an M9.

But then you already have one of the best cameras for your M lenses.

Could use a more recent model that would have better noise and high ISO capabilities though :cool:

bensonga
28th February 2019, 08:26
As expected...

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2019/02/26/sigma-announces-11-art-prime-lenses-for-l-mount

faberryman
28th February 2019, 08:49
These are not new lenses. They are the old lenses with a built-in extenders so they work with L-mount cameras. Not saying they are not good. But why buy an L-mount body to use them? There are already available in a variety of mounts for your existing cameras.

iiiNelson
28th February 2019, 08:58
These are not new lenses. They are the old lenses with a built-in extenders so they work with L-mount cameras. Not saying they are not good. But why buy an L-mount body to use them? There are already available in a variety of mounts for your existing cameras.

Maybe he’s buying the body he wants and has the option of native lenses to use on them.

bensonga
28th February 2019, 12:34
These are not new lenses. They are the old lenses with a built-in extenders so they work with L-mount cameras. Not saying they are not good. But why buy an L-mount body to use them? There are already available in a variety of mounts for your existing cameras.

Why buy them? For those of us who like the Sigma ART primes and have or plan to buy a L-mount camera, these are a great option. Excellent quality L-mount lenses at very attractive prices. Ultimately Sigma will be releasing native L-mount lenses specifically designed for the mirrorless bodies.

Gary

iiiNelson
4th March 2019, 10:30
One of the more overlooked, and potentially exciting things, is that Sigma is developing at least 3 additional L-mount lenses that’ll be exclusive (for now at least) to the L-Mount system. These lenses are supposed to be out within the next year or so. I wonder if Sigma will go with a premium lens line that is structured above the Art series that’s also “Leica Certified” and all-metal housed versus the polycarbonate lenses they have now.

https://www.l-rumors.com/sigma-ceo-yamaki-san-says-first-brand-newly-designed-l-mount-lenses-will-be-announced-within-2019/

iiiNelson
7th March 2019, 07:56
Panasonic will announce a promotion soon where they’re offering a free battery grip and an extra battery with the purchase of any LUMIX S camera or kit which is an additional $440 value.

iiiNelson
7th March 2019, 10:07
Not my picture but one I saw on the internet of size comparison between the S1 and the 5DmkIV. Doesn't seem quite as large as some have described it IMO.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7826/47311179591_67a9a64d42_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2f5JaoX)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2f5JaoX) by Tre Nelson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/m3rq/), on Flickr

iiiNelson
7th March 2019, 17:23
Video AF improvements.

https://youtu.be/rlhjo-UOgSU

Knorp
7th March 2019, 20:33
Panasonic will announce a promotion soon where they’re offering a free battery grip and an extra battery with the purchase of any LUMIX S camera or kit which is an additional $440 value.

As it is 'big enough' already, I don't think I need that battery grip, but a 'free' spare battery is nice to have.

iiiNelson
8th March 2019, 02:44
As it is 'big enough' already, I don't think I need that battery grip, but a 'free' spare battery is nice to have.

I agree but there’s rumors of a super telephoto lens coming later this year so it may be useful for that depending on the size of it. Especially if it’s like a 400/4 lens or something given how they’re touting the AI tracking for dogs, cats, and birds yet there are no “wildlife lenses.”

iiiNelson
12th March 2019, 11:54
Interesting take on the LUMIX S background. Apparently development started on them around the same time the development began for the GH5 (so circa 2015-16 timeframe).

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/film-mavericks/id1202949402?mt=2&i=1000431630706

Also goes a bit into the future of Micro 4/3.

Here it is in YouTube form. https://youtu.be/bE5vrTMct74

drofnad
12th March 2019, 14:34
Interesting take on the LUMIX S background. Apparently development started on them around the same time the development began for the GH5 (so circa 2015-16 timeframe).

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/film-mavericks/id1202949402?mt=2&i=1000431630706

Also goes a bit into the future of Micro 4/3.

Here it is in YouTube form. https://youtu.be/bE5vrTMct74
Thanks. Yes, slightly prior GH5.
I'm finding remarks relevant to m4/3 --by quickly jumping late-- at minute 33:33 or thereabouts.
In short, Pana can walk & chew gum at the same time. (Also, that m4/3 is pretty well done now.)

(-;

iiiNelson
12th March 2019, 20:17
Another interesting impression of firmware version 1.

https://youtu.be/FjN4AehuQVw

iiiNelson
13th March 2019, 04:14
Thanks. Yes, slightly prior GH5.
I'm finding remarks relevant to m4/3 --by quickly jumping late-- at minute 33:33 or thereabouts.
In short, Pana can walk & chew gum at the same time. (Also, that m4/3 is pretty well done now.)

(-;

I agree that Micro 4/3 is largely a complete system for most types of photographers/videographers. It’s the compact system I recommended to most fornthe longest time though now I’d add Fuji X to that recommendation for small and compact systems. Sony has nice compact bodies but their APS-C lens lineup needs to be further fleshed out for serious use unless one is comfortable with using FE lenses.

In any case the Lumix S is shaping up to be a great system and partnering up with other companies segmented at different price points may turn out to be a smart decision on the part of all. The biggest questions are can the market sustain so many players within the same segment in a shrinking market and who will be the first company to consolidate/exit the market. I don’t think Panasonic, Sigma, or Leica are in any real trouble assuming they plan on keeping their camera body numbers reasonable and perhaps use L-mount in some of their cinema cameras to offer users what Sony is already doing in E-mount as a “universal mount.”

faberryman
13th March 2019, 05:41
I don’t think Panasonic, Sigma, or Leica are in any real trouble assuming they plan on keeping their camera body numbers reasonable and perhaps use L-mount in some of their cinema cameras to offer users what Sony is already doing in E-mount as a “universal mount.”
It depends on what their goals are and what market share they can capture. The haven't sold their first FF camera yet, so it's a little early to declare victory.

iiiNelson
13th March 2019, 06:37
It depends on what their goals are and what market share they can capture. The haven't sold their first FF camera yet, so it's a little early to declare victory.

No one is declaring victory and Leica has been selling SL’s (in comparatively small numbers) for over 3 years. The rest is almost exactly what I stated and I don’t know that their goal is to overwhelming dominate the market by any single entity but to capture market across the board for a variety of customers across the imaging world (not just system cameras).

iiiNelson
13th March 2019, 20:10
PhotographyBlog S1R Review

https://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/panasonic_s1r_review

Imaging Resources Hands-On

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2019/03/12/panasonic-s1-and-s1r-hands-on-shooting-experience

Imaging Reaources Lens Impressions

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2019/03/12/panasonic-s-lenses-hands-on-with-the-24-105mm-f-4-50mm-f-1.4-and-70-200mm-f

iiiNelson
2nd April 2019, 07:05
https://www.l-rumors.com/new-leica-sl-and-cl-firmware-adds-compatibility-with-the-sigma-and-panasonic-l-mount-lenses-and-adapter/

Knorp
2nd April 2019, 12:52
Put your firmware where your mouth is ... :thumbup:

Godfrey
3rd April 2019, 05:54
Put your firmware where your mouth is ... :thumbup:

:D

Just installed the new firmware into my CL. Now i have to find an L-mount lens not by Leica somewhere to test it...!

G

iiiNelson
3rd April 2019, 08:08
Sigma pricing.

https://photorumors.com/2019/04/03/sigma-l-mount-mirrorless-lenses-pricing/

ptomsu
3rd April 2019, 11:19
Sigma pricing.

https://photorumors.com/2019/04/03/sigma-l-mount-mirrorless-lenses-pricing/

These prizes look very attractive in the current world of crazy high prizes for FF mirrorless lenses from almost all other manufacturers :thumbs:

This could form the base for me to get into the L-mount with a S1 or maybe even a S1R and add 1 or 2 FF Sigma L-mount lenses for the beginning.

iiiNelson
3rd April 2019, 12:38
These prizes look very attractive in the current world of crazy high prizes for FF mirrorless lenses from almost all other manufacturers :thumbs:

This could form the base for me to get into the L-mount with a S1 or maybe even a S1R and add 1 or 2 FF Sigma L-mount lenses for the beginning.

They're identical to the Sigma prices for their DSLR and Sony FE lenses but yes they appear to be reasonably affordable. I find that the Panasonic lenses are fairly priced as well for what they are but some are complaining based on the idea of the $400 DSLR 50/1.4. The Panasonic lenses are all designed to be near parfocal and are to be optimized for both photo and video usage. This is an important factor for lens design IMO for those that want to do indie content creation/production or for general hybrid usage.

In any case, I'm not looking to adapt lenses personally as a base and I do believe this is the strength of the L-Mount Alliance. There are adapted options but there are also supposed to be nearly 40 native lenses within the first year as well (and another 20 or so if you're willing to adapt). If they allow a manufacturer like Voigtlander to join and add some of their newer manual focus lenses designed for mirrorless that would be another great more affordable option.

Exciting times for sure and I hope people give the L-mount a serious look. I feel like people will make a mistake (as they did with Sony) and not take the L-Mount Alliance seriously due to the perception of the "old guard" companies. I'd like to see Panasonic earn some respect and market share stateside but they have received negative press by those that have never touched one. Those that have used these cameras are heaping praise on them and that's very telling. I do believe they can survive as a niche/cult brand like Fuji does but if they go the way of Ricoh/Pentax (market saturation wise because they make capable products) that would be terrible.

iiiNelson
5th April 2019, 03:56
Panasonic’s and Leica’s likely sensor producer signed a 3-year contract extension.

https://www.l-rumors.com/towerjazz-announces-signing-three-year-agreement-extension-with-panasonic-semiconductor-solutions/

Knorp
30th April 2019, 20:37
Oops ... So much for an alliance! (https://www.eoshd.com/2019/03/did-leica-just-veto-the-sigma-mc-21-canon-ef-adapter-for-l-mount-so-much-for-an-alliance/?fbclid=IwAR2F_FqtBv8sUHt224XALp1UzbLg_qyQwti9ICVg _6KglMjItFeaaRIFwq4)

| source: eoshd.com |

ptomsu
1st May 2019, 02:06
Oops ... So much for an alliance! (https://www.eoshd.com/2019/03/did-leica-just-veto-the-sigma-mc-21-canon-ef-adapter-for-l-mount-so-much-for-an-alliance/?fbclid=IwAR2F_FqtBv8sUHt224XALp1UzbLg_qyQwti9ICVg _6KglMjItFeaaRIFwq4)

| source: eoshd.com |

?????? :banghead:

iiiNelson
1st May 2019, 03:03
?????? :banghead:

Its an old story before the firmware update was released for Leica cameras. The L-Mount lens protocol was changed/updated when the other members were added. This even Panasonic lenses didn’t work on the Leica L-Mount cameras until the first week of April a few days after the story was published.

“Everyone” like to believe theres a grand conspiracy regarding a couple companies - namely Leica and Sony. Sometimes there are business decisions to be made and sometimes there are just other directions that a business may choose to go. All that being said - it’s reasonable to believe there will be some functionality lost by adapting lenses. They after all aren’t native L-Mount lenses. Not saying this is the case but that’s the risk of adapting - you’ll lose communication between the camera and lens, EXIF (in most cases), and possibly functions like continuous AF.

Knorp
1st May 2019, 08:56
Its an old story before the firmware update was released for Leica cameras. The L-Mount lens protocol was changed/updated when the other members were added. This even Panasonic lenses didn’t work on the Leica L-Mount cameras until the first week of April a few days after the story was published.

“Everyone” like to believe theres a grand conspiracy regarding a couple companies - namely Leica and Sony. Sometimes there are business decisions to be made and sometimes there are just other directions that a business may choose to go. All that being said - it’s reasonable to believe there will be some functionality lost by adapting lenses. They after all aren’t native L-Mount lenses. Not saying this is the case but that’s the risk of adapting - you’ll lose communication between the camera and lens, EXIF (in most cases), and possibly functions like continuous AF.

At first I found it hard to believe this to be actually true. But indeed recent firmware upgrades did lift some if not all of the incompatibility issues.
But I can imagine Canon lenses not working via an adapter on an L-mount camera ...
Anyway, I still have faith in this alliance.

iiiNelson
1st May 2019, 12:07
At first I found it hard to believe this to be actually true. But indeed recent firmware upgrades did lift some if not all of the incompatibility issues.
But I can imagine Canon lenses not working via an adapter on an L-mount camera ...
Anyway, I still have faith in this alliance.

I think they only guarantee Sigma EF lenses will work.

faberryman
1st May 2019, 12:15
Anyway, I still have faith in this alliance.What exactly does it mean to have faith in an alliance? That the L-mount lenses will work on L-mount bodies?

iiiNelson
1st May 2019, 12:45
What exactly does it mean to have faith in an alliance? That the L-mount lenses will work on L-mount bodies?

I’d assume that he expects that the lenses and bodies would interact natively no matter the brand. Panasonic has suggested and stated themselves that this alliance is deeper and difference than the Micro 4/3 Consortium that was really ONLY about having a shared lens mount. The alliance is about shared technology and a semblance of shared strategic visions for the working partnerships.

Maybe I’m not reading your comments correctly but they come across as a bit combative. You seem to want everyone to justify their subjective interests. Maybe it’s just me and I am not trying to be hostile. It just seems like a pattern.

iiiNelson
24th May 2019, 07:39
I’m guessing this will either be the SH1 or an update to the VariCam/EVA with a L-Mount (and maybe PL mount option/adapter) in lieu of a Canon EF Mount. In any case we should know next week.

https://www.l-rumors.com/l5-the-new-panasonic-l-mount-cine-lumix-camera-will-be-slightly-bigger-than-the-s1-s1r-cameras/

Knorp
29th May 2019, 09:15
The new kid: (L5) The new Cine Lumix is named Panasonic DC-S1H (https://www.l-rumors.com/l5-the-new-cine-lumix-is-named-panasonic-dc-s1h/?fbclid=IwAR20cVz29CQIdK_EG466Aj96KZTIsMCI_FZd_v6u L4xsf_KFEWIVV_k2TZ0)

iiiNelson
29th May 2019, 09:43
The new kid: (L5) The new Cine Lumix is named Panasonic DC-S1H (https://www.l-rumors.com/l5-the-new-cine-lumix-is-named-panasonic-dc-s1h/?fbclid=IwAR20cVz29CQIdK_EG466Aj96KZTIsMCI_FZd_v6u L4xsf_KFEWIVV_k2TZ0)

A big maybe. Interesting but I gotta see what actually happens. At this point I believe it’s almost worth it for Panasonic to release a “sports/action” model with a hybrid PDAF with DFD camera to see how it sells. I’m sure the trade-offs in incrementally better IQ would be worth giving up for rock solid AF ago most people. Maybe keep the R model with DFD (maybe) and transition then base or proposed action capable model to incorporate hybrid AF... it would sell better to those that want an alternative to what’s available.

Jorgen Udvang
31st May 2019, 21:39
The new kid: (L5) The new Cine Lumix is named Panasonic DC-S1H (https://www.l-rumors.com/l5-the-new-cine-lumix-is-named-panasonic-dc-s1h/?fbclid=IwAR20cVz29CQIdK_EG466Aj96KZTIsMCI_FZd_v6u L4xsf_KFEWIVV_k2TZ0)

It has a flippy screen (Yay!) and what looks like air-cooling. Lots of information missing so far, but the sensor seems to be 22-24MP at 3:2 aspect ratio. Would I buy one? Of course, I would like to buy any Panasonic camera out there :ROTFL:

No word yet about IBIS. How useful would it be for stills?

https://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FB_IMG_1559346622885.jpg.dd15e9673ce26229300ec9186 61e44c0.jpg

iiiNelson
1st June 2019, 06:08
It has a flippy screen (Yay!) and what looks like air-cooling. Lots of information missing so far, but the sensor seems to be 22-24MP at 3:2 aspect ratio. Would I buy one? Of course, I would like to buy any Panasonic camera out there :ROTFL:

No word yet about IBIS. How useful would it be for stills?

https://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FB_IMG_1559346622885.jpg.dd15e9673ce26229300ec9186 61e44c0.jpg

...and just like that I became immediately disinterested.

ptomsu
1st June 2019, 10:52
...and just like that I became immediately disinterested.

Could not agree more :thumbup::thumbs::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumb up:

Jorgen Udvang
1st June 2019, 13:31
...and just like that I became immediately disinterested.

It's important to understand what this camera is and what it's not. The $200 firmware upgrade for the S1 makes that camera a much more advanced option than most casual video shooter will ever need. The S1H goes beyond that, possibly rather far beyond. We won't know until later this year, and many things, like the memory card format, havn't even been decided yet. Other things, like IBIS, Panasonic apparently refuse to talk about at this stage.

What is pretty clear is that to utilise what this camera offers, special needs and special skills are needed, particularly when it comes to post production. I'm not in that group, not even close, but it's a challenge that it would be interesting to take on. I find the 6K 3:2 format particularly interesting, since it enables the option of producing 4K output with panning and cropping within that 6K frame without use of sliders etc., much the same way as 4K is used today for 1080 production. I doubt many will use this camera for final 6K footage.

I wonder how they are solving the battery side of things. 6K in itself will be an energy hog, and if there's mechanical cooling, that's another way of draining the battery. There's little point in unlimited recording time if the battery drains after half an hour. We will see, soon enough...

iiiNelson
1st June 2019, 17:56
It's important to understand what this camera is and what it's not. The $200 firmware upgrade for the S1 makes that camera a much more advanced option than most casual video shooter will ever need. The S1H goes beyond that, possibly rather far beyond. We won't know until later this year, and many things, like the memory card format, havn't even been decided yet. Other things, like IBIS, Panasonic apparently refuse to talk about at this stage.

What is pretty clear is that to utilise what this camera offers, special needs and special skills are needed, particularly when it comes to post production. I'm not in that group, not even close, but it's a challenge that it would be interesting to take on. I find the 6K 3:2 format particularly interesting, since it enables the option of producing 4K output with panning and cropping within that 6K frame without use of sliders etc., much the same way as 4K is used today for 1080 production. I doubt many will use this camera for final 6K footage.

I wonder how they are solving the battery side of things. 6K in itself will be an energy hog, and if there's mechanical cooling, that's another way of draining the battery. There's little point in unlimited recording time if the battery drains after half an hour. We will see, soon enough...

6K shouldn’t be anymore battery hungry. Most cameras oversample 6K->4K to output an improved image. This should require less processing power I assume.

I’m well aware of what this camera COULD be/do... Fully articulating screens are a deal breaker for me personally. Unless they’re going to add real 4K (i.e. Cinema 4K/DCI 4K) to the other cameras and anamorphic modes it would compare directly to this camera. I have zero desire for a fully articulating screen personally though.

Jorgen Udvang
1st June 2019, 23:27
6K shouldn’t be anymore battery hungry. Most cameras oversample 6K->4K to output an improved image. This should require less processing power I assume.

I’m well aware of what this camera COULD be/do... Fully articulating screens are a deal breaker for me personally. Unless they’re going to add real 4K (i.e. Cinema 4K/DCI 4K) to the other cameras and anamorphic modes it would compare directly to this camera. I have zero desire for a fully articulating screen personally though.

You are hopefully right about the power consumption. As for the flippy screen, I've loved it since my first digital camera, the 2004 Canon A95, via the GH series to my current GX8 bodies. The biggest advantage: it's on when it's folded out, and automatically switched to EVF when folded in, at least on Panasonic cameras. Never any doubt about what is switched on, and never any button to bush or sensors to trust. There are other advantages too, which may or may not suit each photographer, but that one is why I'll probably never switch to another type of screen.

iiiNelson
2nd June 2019, 03:17
You are hopefully right about the power consumption. As for the flippy screen, I've loved it since my first digital camera, the 2004 Canon A95, via the GH series to my current GX8 bodies. The biggest advantage: it's on when it's folded out, and automatically switched to EVF when folded in, at least on Panasonic cameras. Never any doubt about what is switched on, and never any button to bush or sensors to trust. There are other advantages too, which may or may not suit each photographer, but that one is why I'll probably never switch to another type of screen.

Yeah I just prefer tilting screens that remain inline with the center of gravity. There’s literally no angle I can’t get except a “selfie” with a tilting screen... and with a WiFi Camera app I’m not sure that “selfie” orientation matters.

Bernard
2nd June 2019, 13:42
I find the 6K 3:2 format particularly interesting, since it enables the option of producing 4K output with panning and cropping within that 6K frame without use of sliders etc., much the same way as 4K is used today for 1080 production.

The other advantage is that this allows you to shoot 2.4:1 format images with a 1.5x anamorphic lens. That's way beyond the needs of the average DSLR video shooter, but it will provide a very compelling "B camera" option for big-budget productions.

iiiNelson
2nd June 2019, 14:39
The other advantage is that this allows you to shoot 2.4:1 format images with a 1.5x anamorphic lens. That's way beyond the needs of the average DSLR video shooter, but it will provide a very compelling "B camera" option for big-budget productions.

The camera is very interesting. The “flippy floppy” screen is really all I hate about this camera.

Jorgen Udvang
2nd June 2019, 16:57
Yeah I just prefer tilting screens that remain inline with the center of gravity. There’s literally no angle I can’t get except a “selfie” with a tilting screen... and with a WiFi Camera app I’m not sure that “selfie” orientation matters.

I mostly don't take selfies, and never using the camera LCD, so I wouldn't know.

iiiNelson
3rd June 2019, 02:38
I mostly don't take selfies, and never using the camera LCD, so I wouldn't know.

Waist level pictures or shooting from different angles. The LCD can be useful. I generally use the EVF but for candid snaps, on a tripod, and for different perspectives I do use the LCD... it’s an extension of the EVF in reality. I just don’t like crap handing off to the side that’ll get in my way.

k-hawinkler
3rd June 2019, 05:53
Well, that’s where the FUJIFILMEVF-TL1 EVF Tilt Adapter Comes in. :grin:

iiiNelson
3rd June 2019, 08:19
Well, that’s where the FUJIFILMEVF-TL1 EVF Tilt Adapter Comes in. :grin:

Well if I owned a GFX that would be a consideration but I generally can get along fine with the rear LCD.

flash
12th June 2019, 16:01
You are hopefully right about the power consumption. As for the flippy screen, I've loved it since my first digital camera, the 2004 Canon A95, via the GH series to my current GX8 bodies. The biggest advantage: it's on when it's folded out, and automatically switched to EVF when folded in, at least on Panasonic cameras. Never any doubt about what is switched on, and never any button to bush or sensors to trust. There are other advantages too, which may or may not suit each photographer, but that one is why I'll probably never switch to another type of screen.

The S1R screen has this behaviour as do other cameras with a tilt screen (A7R3,A9).

Gordon

Jorgen Udvang
13th June 2019, 00:01
The S1R screen has this behaviour as do other cameras with a tilt screen (A7R3,A9).

Gordon

That is not possible, since none of those cameras can turn the LCD in towards the body.

iiiNelson
13th June 2019, 05:57
That is not possible, since none of those cameras can turn the LCD in towards the body.

He means you can switch the camera to EVF only in nearly every mirrorless camera.

Jorgen Udvang
13th June 2019, 06:07
He means you can switch the camera to EVF only in nearly every mirrorless camera.

But my point was that the switch is automatic on Panasonic cameras once the LCD is folded face in towards the camera.

JoelM
13th June 2019, 06:07
I think that the Epson R-1d was the first to be able to do that. Of course, being a CCD sensor, it was only used for chimping and menu settings. I always thought it was pretty cool so I would turn it around like a "real" camera.

Joel

iiiNelson
13th June 2019, 09:44
But my point was that the switch is automatic on Panasonic cameras once the LCD is folded face in towards the camera.

I understood what your point was. I think it’s a matter of preference but I do know that for me personally, after owning and using both, I heavily prefer tilting screens to fully articulating one’s.

flash
14th June 2019, 00:13
But my point was that the switch is automatic on Panasonic cameras once the LCD is folded face in towards the camera.

What I meant was, that as soon as you tilt the screen in any direction the eye sensor is disabled and the LCD enabled. When you push it back into place it reverts to it's previous behaviour (unless you have it set to EVF only, of course). So for waist level shooting the eye sensor won't interfere if you have the camera close to you. Not all cameras do this (Nikon Z7 for example).

Apologies for the confusion.

Gordon