Great to see you here. Join our insightful photographic forum today and start tapping into a huge wealth of photographic knowledge. Completing our simple registration process will allow you to gain access to exclusive content, add your own topics and posts, share your work and connect with other members through your own private inbox! And don’t forget to say hi!
Yes...butI think Olympus folks must be doing their homework when investing in the product. While few folks on internet desire EVF and things like that, large market may be vastly different that what we think as the market
For that matter if you see recent Japanse market share Olympus EPLs have substantially more share than sony and Panasonic. Thats when they do not have all the things we think Panasonic is doing right.
Yes...but
That's current market share, from one particular market. it's an important factor to be sure, but it's also important to measure ad spend, and of course total income: this only measures camera bodies.
In the long run, manufacturers fail to serve enthusiasts at their peril, because it is these people who purchase in greater depth: more frequent upgrades, additional lenses and other peripherals etc. This extra spend is good in itself, but also ties people more closely to a given mount.
The Japanese market does get a larger portion of mirror-less ad spend, and is a bit more mature than that of N. America or Europe in this category. Different markets have different needs.
Yes, but the chart under discussion was referring to a higher end than P&S. The enthusiasts are critical to sales of higher end, higher margin cameras - not so much because they are so many enthusiasts, but because of their endorsement.I think the type of person hanging out here or on other forums wishes this was true, but in reality, the enthusiast market is pretty small, and even if the enthusiast does buy multiple lenses etc, its still far less total sales than the p&s mass market.
Additionally, given the r&d etc that goes into making those lenses, the margin is often much lower as well.
For example, a company makes far more profit off selling p&s's for $299 each at the local Best Buy than they do selling 10 $4000 supertelephoto lens a week at a specialty retailer. It sells for a lot more but the cost to product it etc is so high.
Its all about economies of scale and profit margins for shareholders at the end of the day, not producing things that people on a forum like this might think is the best camera.
In all honesty? Meh. I think some shots are good and a few not so good. As far as the camera goes looking at shots around looks like the sensor performs ballpark same. But I really think the three new pens will sell very well because the whole package- having such a fast response/AF is great for under $1k USD and I think the cameras look very stylish too while packing a lot of functionality.WOW... some photos. He would probably make great photos with any camera, but that looks rather convincing, doesn't it?
Indeed, and a fast three lens prime kit with these two plus the Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 might well be a great Micro Four Thirds solution (especially with in-body stabilization such as the EP3). Historically, Zuikos have had good IQ so I am very optimistic. Good job Olympus.Nice, and particularly the 12mm f2 and 45mm f1.8 primes look interesting.
Raist,
while I do agree to some of your comments, I must say that I find the EP3 a great evolution in M43. I would not call it revolution, as this would have at least also required a higher resolution sensor with great high ISO (like GH2 or G3), but the Oly has definitely it's merits, especially when it comes to colors and fine details.
If you mean resolution we aren't going to agree. A K-5 is ballpark near same resolution at lower iso, and vastly more tonal range/DR, and at high ISO there's no contest. But whatever, each should choose what works for them. I see in the new pens a good set of tradeoffs considering the price, intended market, speed and size.Sure I had no chance so far to test one, but if the details are as good as from the E5 then I would be more than pleased - details ALL the other DSLRs and mirrorless cameras can only dream of today.
Why so sure? Are you buying me one? I am really trying to stop buying on a whim and getting a Pen probably means selling my Pentax. I also want to see what happens with the Q.Should you join the camp? Sure!
- Raist
But still no HQ EVF? That's the only think keeping me from these - Sony's too. So sad... they make a nice camera and then mess it up by being too cheap to put on all the parts. It makes it really difficult to use these things for a lot of people and altogether impossible for someone like me who doesn't want to bring his reading glasses with him everywhere.http://www.myolympuspen.com/index.php?/topic/545-olympus-e-p3-official/
"Olympus Imaging Corporation (President: Shuichi Takayama) is July 22, 2011 (Friday) New products are scheduled to "micro-SLR," third-generation OLYMPUS PEN "E-P3"
Looks like it really has interchangeable grip :thumbup:
IMO, it's fine - even all the time. It's not like you're organizing a mutiny - which BTW, I know from recent events that the Admins here approve of doing. To me the net is the net and it's all one big information exchange system. I don't pay too much attention to the logo at top - it's not that important.Disclaimer: I admin myolympuspen I beleive its okay to post such informational links occasionally (this is my first one), if not, mods please delete it ASAP.
I look at it differently. I think it's the "people are sheep" factor. People respond to marketing and marketing always wins over functionality - to the masses. You should see the Oly Pen ads here in Japan! They're everywhere - huge banner posters in every mall, billboards on the roadsides, magazine back covers, etc. It's truly something to behold if you're into marketing. Sony NEX and Panasonic G series, nowhere to be seen. At least that's my take.I think Olympus folks must be doing their homework when investing in the product. While few folks on internet desire EVF and things like that, large market may be vastly different that what we think as the market
For that matter if you see recent Japanse market share Olympus EPLs have substantially more share than sony and Panasonic. Thats when they do not have all the things we think Panasonic is doing right.
Maybe re-read it?Tesselator,
I'm not sure I understand the point of your post
I thought it was relevant, YMMV.and why it should be in this thread
Yeah, I guess. It's my overly verbose style showing through again I guess. I'm like that with everything if you haven't already noticed. In this case it adds an element of information as a list, of the places I at least, read regularly. I suppose I could have linked to the forums directly... but then it wouldn't have tied into the remark I made about logos at the top. I guess I wanted to illustrate the point.I still don't understand why you've cut and pasted all of the logos from different sites into the thread. Wasn't it enough to say yes, linking to a story on a different site is generally OK.
Yes.I think the type of person hanging out here or on other forums wishes this was true, but in reality, the enthusiast market is pretty small, and even if the enthusiast does buy multiple lenses etc, its still far less total sales than the p&s mass market.
Additionally, given the r&d etc that goes into making those lenses, the margin is often much lower as well.
For example, a company makes far more profit off selling p&s's for $299 each at the local Best Buy than they do selling 10 $4000 supertelephoto lens a week at a specialty retailer. It sells for a lot more but the cost to product it etc is so high.
Its all about economies of scale and profit margins for shareholders at the end of the day, not producing things that people on a forum like this might think is the best camera.
May the gods hear ye, David... Will Pentax bring out an APS-C non DSLR which I could use my Ltd primes on?