mbroomfield
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Yep, Jon got it...
and yet the a6000 is coming along soon and will also take Sony and Leica glass
and yet the a6000 is coming along soon and will also take Sony and Leica glass
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indeed Mike. but I've learned the lesson with M glass: if you don't have an M there are lots of interesting options, but if you do have an M, then they're better on that M.Yep, Jon got it...
and yet the a6000 is coming along soon and will also take Sony and Leica glass
Well, I couldn't pass up the $300 of an A7 body (plus $50 gift card, yada yada) so I guess I'm doubling up.Only on this forum would someone suggest that idea of keeping the lot and the gear w***es all start nodding sagely and saying 'yeah, good idea'... :ROTFL::ROTFL::ROTFL:
We have them well trained. LolOnly on this forum would someone suggest that idea of keeping the lot and the gear w***es all start nodding sagely and saying 'yeah, good idea'... :ROTFL::ROTFL::ROTFL:
For now ... technology marches on (although of course some (many?) will say that it's Leica themselves that bring the magic, and that is an impossible arguement)indeed Mike. but I've learned the lesson with M glass: if you don't have an M there are lots of interesting options, but if you do have an M, then they're better on that M.
Oh, it'll get off the ground. It'll just end up heading in 15 different directions at once.I'm glad we are not deciding on parts for rocket engines here or we may never get off the ground.
I don't think Jono considers us strangers. We're more of a dysfunctional family that comes home to roost every once in awhile.Of course, I wouldn't have asked. I know what works for me, as I'm sure you do for you. You've been around the block, why play these dramatic games? The day I start asking strangers what equipment I should use, is the day I sell it all and retire to the farm. ;-)
Graham
What is a crop sensor? Smaller than 8 x 10? Smaller than 4 x 5? Smaller than 6 x 7? 6 x 6? 645? 35mm? And what is a complete system? 3 lenses like the A7, or do they have 4 now? Or 14 that are available in X-mount for the Fuji?Hey Jono,
I'd sell all, including the M lenses that don't work, and buy an a7r. Cull the M lenses to what works with the a7r, and purchase substitutes to fill in the blanks. The Leica digital body has been supplanted by better, cheaper choices (the a7r). The only reason to own a Leica is to impress one's impressionable friends (said in all seriousness by one who's never used a Leica digital body).
The OMD. I've never seen the attraction. A nice body with a small sensor. The only way to take advantage of the system, is to buy system lenses. 2x equivalency. Really? Why bother (unless one is interested in video, and there's better mft bodies for video)?
Fuji XTi: Again, why invest in Fuji lenses. It's not a complete system, without a full frame body. I don't buy crop sensor lenses. Never used the camera, but there's many user comments that raw conversion isn't up to Bayer conversion RAW's. There's too many aps-c cameras more appealing. The new Sony a6000 comes to mind for an autofocus body to use with FE lenses.
Of course, I wouldn't have asked. I know what works for me, as I'm sure you do for you. You've been around the block, why play these dramatic games? The day I start asking strangers what equipment I should use, is the day I sell it all and retire to the farm. ;-)
Graham
There are people who like to get attention by giving strong comments on equipments they've never used. I've never bothered listening to them. Life is too short.The only reason to own a Leica is to impress one's impressionable friends (said in all seriousness by one who's never used a Leica digital body).
The OMD. I've never seen the attraction. A nice body with a small sensor. (the sentence I've never owned one was just deleted)
Fuji XTi: Again, why invest in Fuji lenses. It's not a complete system, without a full frame body. I don't buy crop sensor lenses. Never used the camera, but there's many user comments that raw conversion isn't up to Bayer conversion RAW's.
Don't get me wrong I've used my M9 a lot less since buying my A7 and A7r but MOST don't buy M's to impress their friends. In fact most people have no idea what a Leica is or think you're shooting film. That's a horrible argument that many people who don't even use/ own Leica's seem to love to repeat - much like the rumor that people who drive luxury cars only want to impress everyone else. Sometimes people just use and buy what they like. Simple as that.Hey Jono,
I'd sell all, including the M lenses that don't work, and buy an a7r. Cull the M lenses to what works with the a7r, and purchase substitutes to fill in the blanks. The Leica digital body has been supplanted by better, cheaper choices (the a7r). The only reason to own a Leica is to impress one's impressionable friends (said in all seriousness by one who's never used a Leica digital body).
The OMD. I've never seen the attraction. A nice body with a small sensor. The only way to take advantage of the system, is to buy system lenses. 2x equivalency. Really? Why bother (unless one is interested in video, and there's better mft bodies for video)?
Fuji XTi: Again, why invest in Fuji lenses. It's not a complete system, without a full frame body. I don't buy crop sensor lenses. Never used the camera, but there's many user comments that raw conversion isn't up to Bayer conversion RAW's. There's too many aps-c cameras more appealing. The new Sony a6000 comes to mind for an autofocus body to use with FE lenses.
Of course, I wouldn't have asked. I know what works for me, as I'm sure you do for you. You've been around the block, why play these dramatic games? The day I start asking strangers what equipment I should use, is the day I sell it all and retire to the farm. ;-)
Graham
Oh no Graham - the principle reason to use a Leica is because of the rangefinder - it's a completely different way of shooting - identical field of view for all lenses, framelines - seeing around the subject. The other reason is to use those lovely wide angle lenses which don't work on the A7r.Hey Jono,
I'd sell all, including the M lenses that don't work, and buy an a7r. Cull the M lenses to what works with the a7r, and purchase substitutes to fill in the blanks. The Leica digital body has been supplanted by better, cheaper choices (the a7r). The only reason to own a Leica is to impress one's impressionable friends (said in all seriousness by one who's never used a Leica digital body).
I don't think I asked either - just thought it was an interesting topic for conversation - and a perfect opportunity for Todd to crack jokesHey Jono,
Of course, I wouldn't have asked. I know what works for me, as I'm sure you do for you. You've been around the block, why play these dramatic games? The day I start asking strangers what equipment I should use, is the day I sell it all and retire to the farm. ;-)
Graham
Leica M wide angle lenses are truly lovely but the benefits of the rangefinder don't come into play when shooting with wides. Wider than 28mm, you need to choose between the lesser of 2 evils - a cludgy live-view/EVF or external finders.Oh no Graham - the principle reason to use a Leica is because of the rangefinder - it's a completely different way of shooting - identical field of view for all lenses, framelines - seeing around the subject. The other reason is to use those lovely wide angle lenses which don't work on the A7r.
Didn't intend to troll over here in Sony country, as I don't have an A7, A7r or much interest in obtaining either... But I can't help but point out that the E-M1 offers access to 4/3 (not yet m43) telephotos from the old Olympus E1,3,5 series that are world class: the 50-200, the 150, the 300, etc. Their costs are in line with the now rare Leicaflex contenders, and they autofocus quite nicely on an E-M1.WOW - what a fun discussion.
E-M1...... Is it the perfect camera - well obviously not (file size, lack of native world class long lenses, etc). However, I believe that more of photos come out looking better on my EM-1 than they have any right to as the great viewfinder and 5 axis stabilization make some things easier to achieve.