C1 Black Friday – anyone moved to subscription yet?

[tenmangu81]

I forgot the main reason for which I switched from Capture One to Lightroom : I work with a Hasselblad camera
I know some people transform their HB files into DNG and use a trick to be able to open them within C1. I did it for a while. But you loose all the subtleties of the HB colours, then.

 

[AlexeyDanilchenko]

I am not sure it is C1's choice to not include Hassy. Hassy files have a special interpretation layer accessible via treatment in Phocus – Hasselblad natural colour science – which reads the calibration file of the specific X camera and applies a kelvin adjusted interpolation of a filmic LUT onto the files. That's why people love the Hassy look through Phocus so much.

Last time I checked it also works in Lightroom - not sure if generating DNG with ACR and using that in C1 will work but it may be worth investigating if C1 required (I don't use it personally)

 

[tenmangu81]

Last time I checked it also works in Lightroom - not sure if generating DNG with ACR and using that in C1 will work but it may be worth investigating if C1 required (I don't use it personally)

HNCS colours are preserved when opening the HB files using Lightroom, as far as I have checked through a test (colour target and eyedropper). However, the lens corrections are not as good as in Phocus.
Generating DNG's from HB RAW files allow to open them into Capture One, after having modified some EXIF data. But colours and lens corrections are not preserved, then.

 

[Paul Spinnler]

It requires an agreement between DJI and P1 still at the top and Adobe is not a competitor to DJI while P1 is on multiple levels: cameras, industrial inspection.

I think it is DJI that is blocking this tbh.

 

[AlexeyDanilchenko]

Generating DNG's from HB RAW files allow to open them into Capture One, after having modified some EXIF data. But colours and lens corrections are not preserved, then.

DNG should contain the profile(s) including all colour transformation if you do it via ACR/LR. So if the colours are wrong then something is not quite right - either in ACR/LR generation process (unlikely, but can be verified opening the same DNG in say old verion of ACR/Photoshop) or C1 not handling DNG correctly.

 

[tenmangu81]

Yes, could be, but then, there would be no reason to open the file in LR or ACR and transfer the obtained DNG to Capture One. It's more logical to finish the work with LR !!

 

[Wall-H]

https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360004199697-Get-the-license-key-for-Capture-One-for-Phase-One-Phase-One-Mamiya-Leaf-Digital-Back-support-only-

Still free, with all the bells and whistles of the latest offerings

Thanks a ton for this .. I just renewed my subscription for year. Thank you for saving me lot of money.

 

[Wall-H]

I forgot the main reason for which I switched from Capture One to Lightroom : I work with a Hasselblad camera
I know some people transform their HB files into DNG and use a trick to be able to open them within C1. I did it for a while. But you loose all the subtleties of the HB colours, then.

I'd similar dilemma but i went to exact opposite direction . I upgraded from Hasselblad X1Dii50c to Phase one IQ3. that gave me 2 things.
1. Larger sensor in camera.
2. Better and easier color management in C1.

I just couldn't adopt Phocus in my workflow and i was able to match X1Dii50c with my nikon gear so, I bailed from Hassy and went to P1 for better color workflow. It's mess overall but tool for job thinking, you get best out of each one.
Now, thank you to this thread, i found out that if i've phase one then C1 is free to me like phocus was with Hasselblad.
no doubt with ergonomics and the HNCS straight out of camera Raw is in different class with Hasselblad.
But with DJI acquiring and without replacement announcement of H line shutdown seemed like memo of long term direction -t we are going consumer focused rather than absolute best. I bailed out.
Sorry for digressing. Thank you for link of how to get free key.

 

[anwarp]

I have a free subscription!
I have 2 p1 backs that shoot on the xf, actus or a mamiya rz. So, the p1 version of c1 works well.
I used to upgrade the perpetual license every couple of years, when I used to also shoot with canon.

 

[AlexeyDanilchenko]

Yes, could be, but then, there would be no reason to open the file in LR or ACR and transfer the obtained DNG to Capture One. It's more logical to finish the work with LR !!

No reason for the ones preferring LR/ACR but not those using C1 (I don't use it personally - never understood the appeal and find it overengineered and complicated)

 

[JaapD]

I’ve chosen again for a perpetual license. Still pretty expensive on a 40% discount. I like the flexibility to renew when it suits me and don’t like the idea of having no operational software release after ending a subscription.

cheers,
Jaapd.

 

[MGrayson]

I’ve chosen again for a perpetual license. Still pretty expensive on a 40% discount. I like the flexibility to renew when it suits me and don’t like the idea of having no operational software release after ending a subscription.

cheers,
Jaapd.

Except that there is no "renew". You must buy a new full-price license.

Do I misunderstand their new pricing policy?

Matt

 

[JaapD]

Except that there is no "renew". You must buy a new full-price license.
Do I misunderstand their new pricing policy?
Matt

Indeed, there is no 'renew'. However CaptureOne seems to offer a 40% discount if you'll upgrade within 12 months and a 20% discount if you'll upgrade within 24 months. However, no in-between upgrades if you're on perpetual license, only bug fixes. They make the perpetual licensing model very unattractive, on their behalf for a reason, pushing us towards the subscription model.

Personally I experience C1's policy on perpetual license as being questionable, together with latest price increases, resulting in customer dissatisfaction. Most likely they don't care, similar like Adobe.

Cheers,
JaapD.

 

[tenmangu81]

Indeed, there is no 'renew'. However CaptureOne seems to offer a 40% discount if you'll upgrade within 12 months and a 20% discount if you'll upgrade within 24 months. However, no in-between upgrades if you're on perpetual license, only bug fixes. They make the perpetual licensing model very unattractive, on their behalf for a reason, pushing us towards the subscription model.

Personally I experience C1's policy on perpetual license as being questionable, together with latest price increases, resulting in customer dissatisfaction. Most likely they don't care, similar like Adobe.

Cheers,
JaapD.

The difference is that Adobe is a very strong company, developing a large set of softwares, while C1 is not and targets more specifically professional users by now. Adobe can discard customers (actually, they don't as they improve their softwares siginficantly and very often), I am not sure C1 could do it for long.

 

[accwai]

I run two versions of C1 on mac, phase one edition and 22, free and perpetual license.

As long as I produce majority of my work with p1 back, software is always updated and free. Pro 22 does everything I need for non p1 images, therefore I quickly dismissed the temptation to upgrade to 23 after seeing CI's email.

So are the two copies on different computer, or one computer has two C1 installations with separate license keys? If latter, how? It seems to be against the Capture One support article below...

https://support.captureone.com/hc/e...ure-One-product-variants-on-the-same-computer

 

[algrove]

I have dropped C1 entirely over both their particular choice of pricing model and their inconsistency in brand support (We will never support another MF brand. Oh, except now Fuji. And now Leica, too, because "crop" MF isn't a competitor. Except for Hasselblad's crop MF because... uh ... look over there!).

Me too.

 

[iiiNelson]

I dropped C1 once they made perpetual licenses unattractive to maintain. I figured if I was going to do a subscription then Adobe made the most sense as it integrates well on mobile with my camera apps (Leica and now Hasselblad) plus includes quite a bit of cloud storage.

 

[Thorkil]

I do subscripe on C1pro

 

[Precision]

So are the two copies on different computer, or one computer has two C1 installations with separate license keys? If latter, how? It seems to be against the Capture One support article below...

https://support.captureone.com/hc/e...ure-One-product-variants-on-the-same-computer

Im glad I never read that article - because it seems to work fine...

I have a very olde installation on one computer - I think C1 12? DB edition to support my Leaf Credo.

Later versions of C1 have dropped Leaf support. So I capture with that old system when using the beloved Leaf. That system is down in the studio and is significantly downrev from an OS standpoint - last version of MacOS that supported Flexcolor - which is needed to work with the Imacon back. IT only gets used for capture then files are transferred over network to the edit station and opened on the newer stuff. System also has one seat of...C1 22? C1 20? I don't recall which, but latest compatible with whatever ancient version of MacOS that one is frozen on (its an old "Trashcan" Mac Pro - works fine for the limited use case of studio capture). I USED to relicense every other version with a new perpetual license, but if I am doing Adobe subscription (I eventually caved) why not subscribe to the other software suite I use regularly.

I also subscribe to Phocus...but that is much less financially impactful.

System I am currently on has C1 22 AND my current C1 Pro (Subscription) install. No practical reason there, I just never bothered to remove the perpetual C1 22 when I decided to embrace the subscription paradigm.

Perhaps multiple versions on same system is a problem in the Win-doze world because it could invoke .dll hell?

 

[accwai]

Well, I had a C1 Pro installation on DB license and bought a perpetual license a few days ago through Black Friday sale. The latter should be locked to version 16.x while the former likely isn't version limited. So I was wondering if it's possible to keep the DB license in some way. But that doesn't look possible. So I have just swapped in the general license and the DB license is now parked. If in the future I get an MS Surface Pro for outdoors tethering, I'll put the DB licence on it.

Perhaps multiple versions on same system is a problem in the Win-doze world because it could invoke .dll hell?

Speaking of which, C1 started to crash on startup after a Windows update came. Took more than a week of back-and-forth with C1 Support to trace the crash to a VC++ redistributable DLL which was touched by that Windows update believe it or not. Problem was eventually fixed but the week+ downtime was rather nasty. Yet another reason to just park the DB license now...