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Finding the right repro setup for Hasselblad 907x

usm

Active member
Hi!
Want to share my thoughts about a repro setup based on a Hasselblad 907x with the CFVii50c back. First, I know that there are higher resolution cameras (GFX, H6, PhaseOne) but I have the 907x - so this is the starting point. I also have a ArcaSwiss Factum which gives me 15mm movements. I think that a autofocus is not that important because there is time to do that manually. The main question is; Do I have to use flashes or LED lights? Until now we were using flashes to black out the room light. But for flash I have to use a lens with a shutter. I think that a Broncolor LED F160 with a CRI of 97+ would be a good decision (used with a big soft box like 30x180 (1'x5.9') or 30x120 (1'x3.9').

Regarding the Factum: Do you think it is possible/useful to shift the back to get around a 100mp image. Can I reach the FADGI/ISO/METAMORFOZE levels with a stitched image?

Which lenses are possible:
1. Hasselblad XCD Marco 3.5/120 - costs about 3.900 Euros. Easy to use and possibilities to do focus stacking if there are 3D Objects.

2. Hasselblad HC Macro 4/120 - cost about 4.750 Euros (there are some used but with more than 30000 shots). The package is bigger because of the Adapter and there is NO autofocus and it is NOT possible to use the lens on a HTS Adapter for stitching. I could use the lens with a borrowed H6D to get higher resolution if necessary.

3. Hasselblad V Makro-Planar CFi - costs about 1.200 Euros (if I can find one). No autofocus but useable on the fact with shift. Needs LED light because the 907x can't use the lens shutter.

4. Since I have a Factum, I am thinking of a 100 to 120 mm lens from Rodenstock or Schneider Kreuznach - this is the biggest "black hole" I have.
Which lenses are useful for art reproduction?
Apo-Macro-Sironar digital 120 mm f/5,6
The ALPA Makro Switar 5,6/105 mm is just for Alpa - right?
Schneider Apo-Digitar 4,5/90 mm
Schneider Apo-Digitar 5,6/120 mm


There is also a new FADGI/ISO target:
Does anyone know that https://deltae.picturae.com will update to that target?


Thanks for helping me to decide!
Greetings. Mario
 

Steve Hendrix

Active member
Hi!
Want to share my thoughts about a repro setup based on a Hasselblad 907x with the CFVii50c back. First, I know that there are higher resolution cameras (GFX, H6, PhaseOne) but I have the 907x - so this is the starting point. I also have a ArcaSwiss Factum which gives me 15mm movements. I think that a autofocus is not that important because there is time to do that manually. The main question is; Do I have to use flashes or LED lights? Until now we were using flashes to black out the room light. But for flash I have to use a lens with a shutter. I think that a Broncolor LED F160 with a CRI of 97+ would be a good decision (used with a big soft box like 30x180 (1'x5.9') or 30x120 (1'x3.9').

Regarding the Factum: Do you think it is possible/useful to shift the back to get around a 100mp image. Can I reach the FADGI/ISO/METAMORFOZE levels with a stitched image?

Which lenses are possible:
1. Hasselblad XCD Marco 3.5/120 - costs about 3.900 Euros. Easy to use and possibilities to do focus stacking if there are 3D Objects.

2. Hasselblad HC Macro 4/120 - cost about 4.750 Euros (there are some used but with more than 30000 shots). The package is bigger because of the Adapter and there is NO autofocus and it is NOT possible to use the lens on a HTS Adapter for stitching. I could use the lens with a borrowed H6D to get higher resolution if necessary.

3. Hasselblad V Makro-Planar CFi - costs about 1.200 Euros (if I can find one). No autofocus but useable on the fact with shift. Needs LED light because the 907x can't use the lens shutter.

4. Since I have a Factum, I am thinking of a 100 to 120 mm lens from Rodenstock or Schneider Kreuznach - this is the biggest "black hole" I have.
Which lenses are useful for art reproduction?
Apo-Macro-Sironar digital 120 mm f/5,6
The ALPA Makro Switar 5,6/105 mm is just for Alpa - right?
Schneider Apo-Digitar 4,5/90 mm
Schneider Apo-Digitar 5,6/120 mm


There is also a new FADGI/ISO target:
Does anyone know that https://deltae.picturae.com will update to that target?


Thanks for helping me to decide!
Greetings. Mario

The Alpa Macro Switar is based on the Rodenstock HR Digaron Macro 5.6/105mm FLOAT Lens. This lens is available in Arca Swiss R Mount (in our USA price catalog, it is part # 50408001). I don't know the international part #, but it often is very similar to our part numbers in the USA, sometimes a 0 is added to the beginning of the sku string.


Steve Hendrix/CI
 

PSS

Active member
I still don't trust LED 100% when it comes to CRI but they have come a long way. there are much better options then Broncolor LED. more light, better CRI. aputure are doing really amazing stuff but there are others as well. I still think flash might be a better solution though. more light and more consistent color.
I have the XCD 120 and it is great. great optical quality, easy to use and relatively compact. there are some 3rd party rings available, I have 2, they work but it is pretty easy to see that the lenses are not made with those rings in mind. IQ takes a hit. but they work.
 

Godfrey

Well-known member
I do a lot of low-grade 'repro' work in digitizing negatives, transparencies, and small prints. None of it for pay, I might add, so the end results only have to satisfy me, not a client.

For me, 50Mpixel is probably overkill. :)

I use a Novoflex Magic copy stand, and a V-system Makro-Planar 120mm f/4 fitted to the 907x via the XV Adapter tube. (I've also used the Leitz Focusing Bellows-R + Macro-Elmar-R 100mm f/4 very successfully, attached via a Fotodiox Pro mount adapter). For lighting, I use a pair of inexpensive LED lights for prints and a flat-panel LED light box for transparencies/negatives. Depending on the format of the capture target negative, I've had to add up to 90mm in extension rings behind the lens to fill the frame on occasion. The eshutter works just fine for this work, and I operate the camera tethered using Phocus.

Probably not what your needs are, but this setup produces very nice results for me.

G
 

Alkibiades

Active member
Hi!
Want to share my thoughts about a repro setup based on a Hasselblad 907x with the CFVii50c back. First, I know that there are higher resolution cameras (GFX, H6, PhaseOne) but I have the 907x - so this is the starting point. I also have a ArcaSwiss Factum which gives me 15mm movements. I think that a autofocus is not that important because there is time to do that manually. The main question is; Do I have to use flashes or LED lights? Until now we were using flashes to black out the room light. But for flash I have to use a lens with a shutter. I think that a Broncolor LED F160 with a CRI of 97+ would be a good decision (used with a big soft box like 30x180 (1'x5.9') or 30x120 (1'x3.9').

Regarding the Factum: Do you think it is possible/useful to shift the back to get around a 100mp image. Can I reach the FADGI/ISO/METAMORFOZE levels with a stitched image?

Which lenses are possible:
1. Hasselblad XCD Marco 3.5/120 - costs about 3.900 Euros. Easy to use and possibilities to do focus stacking if there are 3D Objects.

2. Hasselblad HC Macro 4/120 - cost about 4.750 Euros (there are some used but with more than 30000 shots). The package is bigger because of the Adapter and there is NO autofocus and it is NOT possible to use the lens on a HTS Adapter for stitching. I could use the lens with a borrowed H6D to get higher resolution if necessary.

3. Hasselblad V Makro-Planar CFi - costs about 1.200 Euros (if I can find one). No autofocus but useable on the fact with shift. Needs LED light because the 907x can't use the lens shutter.

4. Since I have a Factum, I am thinking of a 100 to 120 mm lens from Rodenstock or Schneider Kreuznach - this is the biggest "black hole" I have.
Which lenses are useful for art reproduction?
Apo-Macro-Sironar digital 120 mm f/5,6
The ALPA Makro Switar 5,6/105 mm is just for Alpa - right?
Schneider Apo-Digitar 4,5/90 mm
Schneider Apo-Digitar 5,6/120 mm


There is also a new FADGI/ISO target:
Does anyone know that https://deltae.picturae.com will update to that target?


Thanks for helping me to decide!
Greetings. Mario
simply take the macros from schneider -rodenstock: 120 mm, they are simply great and for that work better than hasseblad macros, cost 1000-1500 euro,
or apo digitar macro 80 mm- even cheaper, still a great macro lens,
or if you dont make real macro take Apo digitar 5,6-100 mm. large image circle with gerat sharpeness ( better than 4,5-90 mm)
 

Shashin

Well-known member
I would start by determining your output. If you are going to print and using a 44" printer, your 50MP resolution is plenty for that reproduction size. Are you thinking of going beyond that?
 

ErikKaffehr

Well-known member
Hi!
Want to share my thoughts about a repro setup based on a Hasselblad 907x with the CFVii50c back. First, I know that there are higher resolution cameras (GFX, H6, PhaseOne) but I have the 907x - so this is the starting point. I also have a ArcaSwiss Factum which gives me 15mm movements. I think that a autofocus is not that important because there is time to do that manually. The main question is; Do I have to use flashes or LED lights? Until now we were using flashes to black out the room light. But for flash I have to use a lens with a shutter. I think that a Broncolor LED F160 with a CRI of 97+ would be a good decision (used with a big soft box like 30x180 (1'x5.9') or 30x120 (1'x3.9').

Regarding the Factum: Do you think it is possible/useful to shift the back to get around a 100mp image. Can I reach the FADGI/ISO/METAMORFOZE levels with a stitched image?

Which lenses are possible:
1. Hasselblad XCD Marco 3.5/120 - costs about 3.900 Euros. Easy to use and possibilities to do focus stacking if there are 3D Objects.

2. Hasselblad HC Macro 4/120 - cost about 4.750 Euros (there are some used but with more than 30000 shots). The package is bigger because of the Adapter and there is NO autofocus and it is NOT possible to use the lens on a HTS Adapter for stitching. I could use the lens with a borrowed H6D to get higher resolution if necessary.

3. Hasselblad V Makro-Planar CFi - costs about 1.200 Euros (if I can find one). No autofocus but useable on the fact with shift. Needs LED light because the 907x can't use the lens shutter.

4. Since I have a Factum, I am thinking of a 100 to 120 mm lens from Rodenstock or Schneider Kreuznach - this is the biggest "black hole" I have.
Which lenses are useful for art reproduction?
Apo-Macro-Sironar digital 120 mm f/5,6
The ALPA Makro Switar 5,6/105 mm is just for Alpa - right?
Schneider Apo-Digitar 4,5/90 mm
Schneider Apo-Digitar 5,6/120 mm


There is also a new FADGI/ISO target:
Does anyone know that https://deltae.picturae.com will update to that target?


Thanks for helping me to decide!
Greetings. Mario
What reproduction scale would you need?

Best regards
Erik

Best regards
Erik
 

usm

Active member
What reproduction scale would you need?

Best regards
Erik

Best regards
Erik
It’s about retro’s for a museum, so the paintings or whatever are, let’s say, from A4 up to 2x2m. Mostly flat art.
The question is how to get the different sizes more or less fitted on the Sensor. They need a small color checker on the side. The output will be print as a reference for later publishing.

Hope that answers your question.

Best regards
Mario
 
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