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This idea in general intregues me too. In some sense using older more classical rangefinder lenses on the M9M, might help emulate the 35mm film look, along with all the other parameters that contribute...both exposure and post processing. The reason I say 35mm "film look", is most 35mm images taken with film and printed to say the classic 8x10" print, have a degree of "roundness" to them....sort of like the 75mm Summilux,, or 50mm Lux pre-asph. In contrast (no pun intended), smaller 8.5x11" prints derived from a M9 file along with say a modern day 50mm Lux asph or 35mm Lux asph thats been converted to B&W... will often look too bitingly sharp and too clean. That's why I think the right vintage lens on the M9M and possibly shooting at the higher ISO's to emulate the proper film grain structure, may result in something thats not as easily emulated with the regular M9 with modern lens & Silverfast B&W conversion. Just some random thoughts I had.i wonder how the M9M would render with vintage lenses ( saying thats my bag )
1930s summar on a 18 MP mono sensor!
i both agree and disagree.Me thinks the biggest different between the M9 and the MM will be in the mindset of the photographer. The same way as there's a big difference between going on a diet in New York City and being stranded on a desert island with no food. One thinks differently, and often more creatively, when there are no options.
HI There
Seems an even handed response Jono.HI There
Many thanks for the heads up on this - it's nice to know when one is being slagged off!
I gave myself a 24 hour cooling off period, and then posted a response - I hope it doesn't sound either defensive or sulky Never complain . . . and never explain is how it goes, but sometimes its tough to keep one's mouth shut (click on the iink if you want to find out whether I'm grumpy or crotchety!!
all the best
You gave a very well restraint explanation and brought some clarity in the situations at hand, Jono! Well done!HI There
Many thanks for the heads up on this - it's nice to know when one is being slagged off!
I gave myself a 24 hour cooling off period, and then posted a response - I hope it doesn't sound either defensive or sulky Never complain . . . and never explain is how it goes, but sometimes its tough to keep one's mouth shut (click on the iink if you want to find out whether I'm grumpy or crotchety!!
all the best
No rocks Guy. Smurf balls of twisted Leica logic ...I know this sounds so unLeica but rather just have the M9 and convert when I want. What happens when you really want color. I know I know you can start throwing the rocks at me. I'll go back to not posting now. Lol
No rocks Guy. Smurf balls of twisted Leica logic ...
To my mind, this camera is a back to the future "Night Stalker" without having to use a $11,000 Noctilux to do it.
The ISO 6400 looks quite good, and a carefully exposed available 10,000 worked in Nik Silver Efex promises even more extention of available light work.
I don't think about landscapes and pretty pictures and a Leica M in the same thought bubble. It is a walk the shadowed streets of NYC or London ... Paris nights and gritty Detroit ... searching for insights to the human condition ... so Henri is an apt code name IMO. Those objectives aren't old school, they are universal and timeless ... as is B&W.
Technically, low light and night work usually requires less color filtration ... and frankly, I rarely use less than ISO 320 with my current M9, in fact its almost always set to ISO 640 ... so a base 320 isn't an issue for me.
That we can retain the image qualities of a CCD and get there, is a remarkable offering for dedicated B&W shooters. When I shot with Leica M film cameras, in 30 years I do not recall ever running a roll of color through them, except when forced to for some disgusting reason. I think my Leica MP once puked when I put a roll of color film in it, and in a slight German accent told me to "kiss its bottom plate" :ROTFL:
-Marc
Most amusing, Marc.No rocks Guy. Smurf balls of twisted Leica logic ...
To my mind, this camera is a back to the future "Night Stalker" without having to use a $11,000 Noctilux to do it.
The ISO 6400 looks quite good, and a carefully exposed available 10,000 worked in Nik Silver Efex promises even more extention of available light work.
I don't think about landscapes and pretty pictures and a Leica M in the same thought bubble. It is a walk the shadowed streets of NYC or London ... Paris nights and gritty Detroit ... searching for insights to the human condition ... so Henri is an apt code name IMO. Those objectives aren't old school, they are universal and timeless ... as is B&W.
Technically, low light and night work usually requires less color filtration ... and frankly, I rarely use less than ISO 320 with my current M9, in fact its almost always set to ISO 640 ... so a base 320 isn't an issue for me.
That we can retain the image qualities of a CCD and get there, is a remarkable offering for dedicated B&W shooters. When I shot with Leica M film cameras, in 30 years I do not recall ever running a roll of color through them, except when forced to for some disgusting reason. I think my Leica MP once puked when I put a roll of color film in it, and in a slight German accent told me to "kiss its bottom plate" :ROTFL:
-Marc
Interesting point. However, I am so impressed by multishot cameras, which have many of the same operational requirements as the filter wheels with fewer technical problems. Wouldn't it be fascinating to see a Leica MS? Yes, a tripod-living battery sucker, but there would always be single shot.Leica M-M
For those who might not frequent the LL website, I just posted this for some thoughts.
I know this is a dodgy forum to post this but then the Volare too at one stage although a DB was considered a large sensor.
For me the Volare was always the benchmark for Digital IQ the 6mb per channel produced such clean/detailed images that were like plasticine you could do whatever you liked with the image and it could take it.
The announcement earlier this week of the Leica M-M gave some thoughts about the possibilities for the pros who brave to order one.
The camera with some kind of concocted fiter wheel and 18mb per channel would be a stunner along with spectacular lenses, this in a still life studio environment may just be the thing photographers will embrace.
Consider that the Volare in it's day came onto the market pretty close to 30K US with only the back and it's essentials for that tag.
Love to hear your thoughts on this...
Jono, I think that was a very calm, well thought out and composed response.HI There
Many thanks for the heads up on this - it's nice to know when one is being slagged off!
I gave myself a 24 hour cooling off period, and then posted a response - I hope it doesn't sound either defensive or sulky Never complain . . . and never explain is how it goes, but sometimes its tough to keep one's mouth shut (click on the iink if you want to find out whether I'm grumpy or crotchety!!
all the best