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    So I'd love to see more from the few, proud, and brave souls who'll use this camera.

    So my friends, let loose
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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    I would like to...but not likely to happen soon. Had to quit the rangefinderforum because of the negativity there...but there is always hope:

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    Room for you at LVL, Dave.

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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

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    Room for you at LVL, Dave.
    Hey, thanks man...I do need to get back there. Nice and friendly. Thanks for the reminder.

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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    Room always for you on these shores as well .... Lots of good people are here
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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

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    Room always for you on these shores as well .... Lots of good people are here
    Thank you, Ashwin...very kind of you.

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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    Quote Originally Posted by dave.gt View Post
    I would like to...but not likely to happen soon. Had to quit the rangefinderforum because of the negativity there...but there is always hope:

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    I am not sure I follow your thinking from one article to another or even within one article. Rockwell at least has some clarity when it comes to these.

    With that said, I wish you all the best with regards to your and yours' personal well being.

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    I usually keep quiet and am just an observer, but to see this Vivek splashing vitriol on a post that laments vitriol, that just takes the cake!

    By the way, thanks for pointing me to this excellent site, also that What-Leica-Has-to-Do article is some nice read.

    But I'm sure, Vivek, that's above your pay grade.

    Unbelievable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Did you write this one as well?

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    I am not sure I follow your thinking from one article to another or even within one article. Rockwell at least has some clarity when it comes to these.

    With that said, I wish you all the best with regards to your and yours' personal well being.

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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post


    So I'd love to see more from the few, proud, and brave souls who'll use this camera.

    So my friends, let loose
    I hope to see some lovely pics out of this camera soon. They won't be mine ... I'm not a fan of zoom lenses ... But I suspect the camera is quite capable. :-)

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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post


    So I'd love to see more from the few, proud, and brave souls who'll use this camera.

    So my friends, let loose
    I have a Pencil with a Leica logo that I got as a gift when I bought my SL2 in Wiesbaden, Germany (long time ago).

    The first person who has paid full retail price to buy this Mini M and posts pictures here can have it, post paid.

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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    While it's not for me by any means (slow zoom rules it out completely, as I am a fast prime type of guy), I am sure that some folks will take some lovely pictures with it...I am curious if my Leica vendor has one...at the very least, I'll take the demo out for a few blows...
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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    Absolutely!

    But as Peter said

    So I've no doubt that people who do purchase this new camera will enjoy it.

    Because at $3200 they'll have every incentive to.
    That is the joy I look forward to reflected in the pictures.

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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    Quote Originally Posted by dave.gt View Post
    I would like to...but not likely to happen soon. Had to quit the rangefinderforum because of the negativity there...but there is always hope:

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    so you quit rff dave?

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    It's usually fairly civil over at RFF, but it's been brutal on the Vario and Leica in general. I understand quitting. Who needs that!

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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    I feel the same as David about another forum and I won't mention the name. I registered, posted occasionally but feel that its not a place where one can enjoy since I could not find much camaraderie.
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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Did you write this one as well?

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    I am not sure I follow your thinking from one article to another or even within one article. Rockwell at least has some clarity when it comes to these.

    With that said, I wish you all the best with regards to your and yours' personal well being.
    I haven't a clue what you are talking about...no, I did not write any other article. Oh, and thank you for the well wishes...much appreciated, sir.

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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    Quote Originally Posted by back alley View Post
    so you quit rff dave?
    Let's say I have had enough for now. Sent you a PM.

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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    Sorry, Ashwin, didn't mean to hijack the thread. I, too, find the form and size not quite what I am looking for and I am a speed freak as well. But, I am interested in it nonetheless. The bad thing about living in The South is that there isn't a Leica dealer with products you can touch and feel within a day's drive of Atlanta.

    I have, myself, a small kit with the X1/X2 body and a small zoom in the Leica Combination Bag but I don't think the Vario will quite fit...so maybe an LX7/D6 would do at some point in time. The problem with those little cameras is the aesthetics...they look awful and have no resemblance to my M3 or the X1. I am weird that way.

    So, I am happy with my little kit and documentary work goes on.

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    I wish they would have followed the design of the Digilux 2 - a great 'Classic Leica' looking point and shoot camera with a fast zoom. I'm guessing they will sell these, but not to Leica lovers or serious photographers. An expensive point and shoot for the wealthy.

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    I think for my taste they should have included a finder and a little faster lens as soon as the camera got the size it has.
    It is not a real compact anyways, so a little bigger lens would not have hurt (me).
    Or they should have taken a slightly smaller sensor (the omd sensor) and put it in a smaller camera (like the Minilux zoom).
    I am not sure if the choose the right compromise (for my taste) between price, size and lens.

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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

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    Or they should have taken a slightly smaller sensor (the omd sensor) and put it in a smaller camera (like the Minilux zoom).
    I am not sure if the choose the right compromise (for my taste) between price, size and lens.
    Why not just use the OMD which even with the kit zoom lens is faster? It comes complete with an excellent EVF and the ability to attach a superb range of lenses including the superb Pana Leica D fast prime lenses. It is also very small and light to carry around, all with excellent IQ capability!

    Oh, it is also half the price of the X-vario!

    The very big downside is of course thai it does not come with a red dot.
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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    Why not just use the OMD which even with the kit zoom lens is faster? It comes complete with an excellent EVF and the ability to attach a superb range of lenses including the superb Pana Leica D fast prime lenses. It is also very small and light to carry around, all with excellent IQ capability!

    Oh, it is also half the price of the X-vario!

    The very big downside is of course thai it does not come with a red dot.
    I typed in "Leica Logo" in eBay and that brought up a lot of stickers, etc specifically designed for cameras like the RX100 and such. No need for Hasselblad or Leica to pimp up a camera.

    Just try it. It is a lot of fun.

    PS: It is SHOCKING to see Leica Fellowship posting stuff like this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    I think for my taste they should have included a finder and a little faster lens as soon as the camera got the size it has.
    It is not a real compact anyways, so a little bigger lens would not have hurt (me).
    Or they should have taken a slightly smaller sensor (the omd sensor) and put it in a smaller camera (like the Minilux zoom).
    I am not sure if the choose the right compromise (for my taste) between price, size and lens.
    As I already posted in another thread I tried one today - with the EVF - and I was positively surprised how great this combo works. Also holding the camera in hand you immediately understand why there would not be space left for a built in EVF, without making the camera significantly larger. Also the "slow" zoom contributes to the size (small size) of the camera. I operated it directly in comparison with the new M and it is substantially smaller.

    The sensor seems to be really excellent at higher ISO which justifies the slower and smaller lens. One can argue that a faster lens allows for better isolation - true, but I think this camera is not designed with those in mind who want/need F2.0 and faster.

    But what it gives you is a nice, compact, very well built and easily to operate travel and everyday camera, which is definitely on the upper side of the pack.

    I am very tempted to get one!
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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    This thread is supposed to show photos from a camera. There are several other threads trashing the Vario X. May I suggest we start this thread over again and only post photos and comments about those photos?
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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    This thread is supposed to show photos from a camera. There are several other threads trashing the Vario X. May I suggest we start this thread over again and only post photos and comments about those photos?
    I would second that with a caveat that the owner should have bought the camera for full retail price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    As I already posted in another thread I tried one today - with the EVF - and I was positively surprised how great this combo works. Also holding the camera in hand you immediately understand why there would not be space left for a built in EVF, without making the camera significantly larger. Also the "slow" zoom contributes to the size (small size) of the camera. I operated it directly in comparison with the new M and it is substantially smaller.

    The sensor seems to be really excellent at higher ISO which justifies the slower and smaller lens. One can argue that a faster lens allows for better isolation - true, but I think this camera is not designed with those in mind who want/need F2.0 and faster.

    But what it gives you is a nice, compact, very well built and easily to operate travel and everyday camera, which is definitely on the upper side of the pack.

    I am very tempted to get one!
    I also handled one today and have to say it feels very nice. The best thing is the user interface - IMO much better than most m4/3 cameras, which are too packed with functions and menues.

    I resisted, it really feels good in the hand.

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    Ok - at least one image taken today in Leica Store Vienna - my daughter
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    Ok - at least one image taken today in Leica Store Vienna - my daughter
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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    It is possible for me to try it on 20th June at the local boutique.

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    Yesterday I told my dealer I wont buy a x-vario.
    It didnt make sense to me. Slower zoom than OMD, slower AF, no viewfinder

    Today I handeled one (I was in the store for something else and the dealer gave me one) and...It does make sense: usefull focal length, simple straight forward user interface, very intuitive, better IQ than the OMD (I even believe better than a Fuji XE etc) and a very very nice feel.
    But I told myself it doesnt make sense.
    After work I went there another time...

    Now since many say we on getdpi are not the target group...is something wrong with me?
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    Yesterday I told my dealer I wont buy a x-vario.
    It didnt make sense to me. Slower zoom than OMD, slower AF, no viewfinder

    Today I handeled one (I was in the store for something else and the dealer gave me one) and...It does make sense: usefull focal length, simple straight forward user interface, very intuitive, better IQ than the OMD (I even believe better than a Fuji XE etc) and a very very nice feel.
    But I told myself it doesnt make sense.
    After work I went there another time...

    Now since many say we on getdpi are not the target group...is something wrong with me?
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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    Tom

    Useful images to test this new baby at higher ISO than we have been seeing elsewhere! Many thanks.
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    Tom, there is something wrong with all of us considering we give this much time to a piece of camera equipment that does nothing different than the stuff we already have.
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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    Hi Tom, nice images. Are these OOCJPG's? The flowers look a bit overexposed. In the last photo on the right side, small OOF clouds? Strange rendering of the white clouds, must be my iPad...

    Thanks for sharing!

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    The camera will not suffer from daylight outdoor photography, if you are into low light indoor photography without a flash, then you had better look elsewhere, this is the simplest way to put it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterv View Post
    Hi Tom, nice images. Are these OOCJPG's? The flowers look a bit overexposed. In the last photo on the right side, small OOF clouds? Strange rendering of the white clouds, must be my iPad...

    Thanks for sharing!
    LR4 from DNG. I didnt check if there is a profile for the new camera.
    For some reason the DNG were brighter than the OOC jogs.
    But from the histogram the highlights should not be blown.

    All 3 images i did nothing but very slight exp comp in LR.
    Thats what I like about Leica - the default values/images come out nice and with some pop without looking overdone (IMO).

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    Thanks, yes that's one of the good things with Leica. I suspect it is the way the lenses render a scene, nicely sharp and contrasty without going over the top, very natural looking. I guess for you, knowing your photos, the Vario would be a nice 'lightweight' for sunday afternoon walks with your kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pophoto View Post
    The camera will not suffer from daylight outdoor photography, if you are into low light indoor photography without a flash, then you had better look elsewhere, this is the simplest way to put it!
    Yes, you probably have to use the flash more often compared to a camera with faster lens.
    It is not a Leica MM with a Noctilux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    Yes, you probably have to use the flash more often compared to a camera with faster lens.
    It is not a Leica MM with a Noctilux.
    But it's close to an M +R 28-90 except for..................

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    Here is another one - just a little exp. comp. Is it too red? (I feel the flowers suffered from the jpg compression when reducing the file size for the web-the different red tones get lost in the jpg file (converted in LR) -strange)
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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    Hi There
    Well, I'll start doing some posts soon.
    Tom - congratulations - I don't think you'll regret it (it's really grown on me).
    Sure - it's for good light.
    As for the reds - I'd say they're just slightly over-exposed - I've not otherwise had problems.
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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    I went to the store to buy a adapter to use a Contax 45-90 (from ebay) on my Leica S. Once I put the adapter and the lens on my S I didn't like the handling, and I didn't like the viewfinder of the S to get darker /caused by the f4.5)
    So I decided this combo is not for me, I will stay with the primes I have.

    The dealer just gave me the x-Vario in the hand and let me play.
    It grew on me and 3 hours later I decided to buy one.

    What I am trying to say.... it is not only plain numbers which tell you what works for you and what doesn't. What I thought would work for me did not, and what I thought would not work for me does.
    Many fables come to my mind. I am sure there are some specific ones from your region that may apply to this predicament as well.

    Good luck! Have fun!

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    Part of my is glad that X Vario is a dissapointment because I just ordered a Ricoh GR.

    I really only started paying attention to the GR a few weeks ago. It seriously looks to be a strong contender for best street cameras. Lens is sharp wide open, it's small and the ergonomics are supposed to be near perfect.

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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    Quote Originally Posted by pophoto View Post
    The camera will not suffer from daylight outdoor photography, if you are into low light indoor photography without a flash, then you had better look elsewhere, this is the simplest way to put it!
    Sorry, but that is not true. Back in the silver age of photography, I did low-light photography with medium-format cameras with f/3.5 and f/4 lenses and 400ISO film. If that is the camera you want, then it will work. With a few exceptions, photography is not limited by the equipment.
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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    we need more great images here to show off what this camera can do. people keep saying it is great for daytime photos, lets see more! i want to compare the images to the ones that show up on the fun with the rx1 forum. basically same price, so lets see what our talented photographers can do with it.

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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    Here are a couple of of camera jpgs from the last day or so
    Enjoy! Exif should be intact.
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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    Here's two at 3200 ISO


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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

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    Why not just use the OMD which even with the kit zoom lens is faster? It comes complete with an excellent EVF and the ability to attach a superb range of lenses including the superb Pana Leica D fast prime lenses. It is also very small and light to carry around, all with excellent IQ capability!

    Oh, it is also half the price of the X-vario!

    The very big downside is of course thai it does not come with a red dot.
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    Leica optics on a sensible sized sensor in a small package. OK, the lens is slow but the number of times I have shot below 5.6 on the street or landscape I can't count on the fingers of one hand.

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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    Quote Originally Posted by dhsimmonds View Post
    Why not just use the OMD which even with the kit zoom lens is faster? It comes complete with an excellent EVF and the ability to attach a superb range of lenses including the superb Pana Leica D fast prime lenses. It is also very small and light to carry around, all with excellent IQ capability!
    Hi Dave
    With the kit lens? that's simple - the IQ on the Vario is just streets ahead. With the Panasonic 12-35 is a much more interesting question.

    There is a point in limiting one's choices however - and there is a simplicity about picking up a 'one stop' solution as well. Especially one which is particularly transparent from a photographic point of view (as the XV is).

    Really, it depends on what turns you on, but it seems to me that the image quality and the ergonomics gives the XV a good excuse for its existence. I still maintain (as I did in the review) that it's unlikely to be readers of photo forums who will buy it - what I DIDN'T mean was that it was people who didn't understand photography who would buy it.

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    Re: Fun with the X-Vario

    some more snapshots (converted in LR4).





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