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    step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Now that more and more people have used the new M for some time I would like to ask how you feel about the switch.
    -was it worth it (for you)?
    -which are most important improvements (for you)
    -do you like the files as much as the M9files (or better)?
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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    -was it worth it (for you)?
    Yes, it was, but I am not a typical rangefinder user and possibly appreciate the improvements in electronics more than many Leica aficionados.

    -which are most important improvements (for you)
    - Better review (faster, better quality)
    - Better focusing (LV, better rangefinder)
    - Better battery life (if they fix the battery drain problem)
    - More responsive (if they fix the SD card startup lag issue)

    -do you like the files as much as the M9files (or better)?
    I think the M images look more natural. And the camera is more forgiving (more highlight detail, easier to get reasonable color in bad mixed light, you can crank up the ISO...)

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    Now that more and more people have used the new M for some time I would like to ask how you feel about the switch.
    -was it worth it (for you)?
    -which are most important improvements (for you)
    -do you like the files as much as the M9files (or better)?
    1.Oh yes.
    2. shutter sound, LV, buffer, R lenses, bigger LCD, red frame lines for me, etc
    3.better files, easy to PP

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Thanks for the feedback!

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    HI Tom
    Good Things:
    shutter noise
    LCD
    more responsive
    Image quality
    Build quality
    Ergonomics
    weather sealing
    battery life
    better rangefinder accuracy

    Worse things
    0.6mm fatter

    I like the files much better (especially in low light) - there is a WB tweak needed, but it'll come soon.

    Certainly worth it.

    All the best

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    HI Tom
    Good Things:
    shutter noise
    LCD
    more responsive
    Image quality
    Build quality
    Ergonomics
    weather sealing
    battery life
    better rangefinder accuracy

    Worse things
    0.6mm fatter

    I like the files much better (especially in low light) - there is a WB tweak needed, but it'll come soon.

    Certainly worth it.

    All the best
    Thanks Jono,

    I allways thought I don't need life view, but on the other side being able to use the display for certain situations (and perspectives) wouldn't hurt.
    Kind Regards, Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post

    I allways thought I don't need life view, but on the other side being able to use the display for certain situations (and perspectives) wouldn't hurt.
    Even if one never uses live view for making pics, it's useful to determine if there is an issue with camera/lens focus calibration.

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    Thanks Jono,

    I allways thought I don't need life view, but on the other side being able to use the display for certain situations (and perspectives) wouldn't hurt.
    Kind Regards, Tom
    HI There Tom
    Well, you'll notice that I didn't Live View at all in my pros or my cons. I use it sometimes, and as Jeff says it's useful for checking lens calibration. But to me the M is well worth the upgrade without Live view or video or the EVF (just me)

    Great with the Macro R lenses - and also a fine replacement for the Frankenfinder which I always left at home (especially with the WATE)!

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    The 5mm difference in depth surprised me when in the hand...doesn't sound like much, but that ends up being 14% 'fatter' (not to mention 16% heavier)

    Of course my usual M is an M4, so the difference is even more pronounced

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    The 5mm difference in depth surprised me when in the hand...doesn't sound like much, but that ends up being 14% 'fatter' (not to mention 16% heavier)

    Of course my usual M is an M4, so the difference is even more pronounced

    HI There Robert
    It's not 5mm . . . it's 0.6mm (compare the base plates) - the other 4.4mm is made up with the thumbgrip.

    On the other hand I agree that it's noticeable and undesirable. Always amazes me how many people complain about the thickness . . . . . and then put on a half case!

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Really? I don't have it here to compare baseplates (and don't have an M9 baseplate either!)



    Oddly the M9 looks like the fatter one here!


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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Always amazes me how many people complain about the thickness . . . . . and then put on a half case!
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    The 5mm difference in depth surprised me when in the hand...doesn't sound like much, but that ends up being 14% 'fatter' (not to mention 16% heavier)

    Of course my usual M is an M4, so the difference is even more pronounced

    The camera is not that much fatter, it is the protruding thumb rest, that makes most of the difference. Actually, I think they did a great job keeping the size almost the same with larger LCD, twice as big battery, new buttons and scrollers, microphone etc...

    Yes, it is heavier, but I can hold it more comfortably than M9 due to slightly more ergonomic design.

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Hi

    I've only had mine a week, but for what it's worth:

    -was it worth it (for you)?
    Yes, despite taking a hit on the sale of a year old M9-P. I deliberately wanted to be an early adopter, having been late to the party on both the M8 and M9

    -which are most important improvements (for you)
    Shutter is beautiful!
    Live view and EVF (I have an OMD) and the two complement each other very well
    Battery life
    LCD
    Weather sealing
    Rangefinder (not sure what they have done but it is better)
    'Feels' a more refined product, although that's very subjective of course

    -do you like the files as much as the M9files (or better)?
    Not a pixel peeper so I'm not seeing a huge difference - they look lovely

    Hope this helps and good luck with your decision.

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    I've had mine since June and had some time to play and adjust the files using C1 and Lightroom. I recently sold my M9P but had to answer the same questions to myself before selling. Here's my take:

    1. Shutter sound and feel are so good that going back and using the M9P was jarring.
    2. Same with size and resolution of the LCD screen.
    3. The new lit framelines are nice and consistent no matter the outside lighting.
    4. Very nice to be able to use the R 80-200 f4 on occasion. This lens compliments my 90mm and under M lens collection.
    5. Same with macro using some Nikon mount lenses I had lying around.
    6. While I had the M9P, since I like the look of those files, I adjusted the preset on the M files in C1 pro7 to more closely resemble the M9. Compared to what I use for the M9P, my M setting uses a higher level sharpening, higher contrast setting, and some clarity boost. Files are nicely flexible.
    7. Of course, higher ISO is a nice capability.
    8. I didn't notice in practice any weight or thickness difference.
    9. I have read other's comments on the RF difference but I could not tell any difference focussing with my M9P or M. Both worked fine equally.
    10. Hated selling my chrome M9P- what a beautiful camera!

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Woods View Post
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    Hope this helps and good luck with your decision.

    Mike
    Yes, thanks Mike. I am afraid I just cant resist, even though I never really missed anything in the M9 I am sure I will like the improvement. Specially silent shutter, faster speed and better LCD.

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

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    10. Hated selling my chrome M9P- what a beautiful camera!
    This may be a reason why I'm trying really hard to ignore the new M... I can't really justify keeping both except the need for a second body, but the emotional attachment to the old M9 will be hard to sever.
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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    hosermage

    I felt the same way. Then I decided to get the M while keeping my M9P. Since I have had my M, I have not used the M9P and never felt the need to use it since getting the M and as such will sell it now
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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Love my M9P, and even more so the MM. I Hope to have an M someday, once the kinks are worked out, but it may be a long time to get on a list and wait....a year at this point, so maybe an M240P ....I would like to see a WB, color tweak....
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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Two weeks ago, I had my chrome M9P, M-M and a RXR1. I thought the RX1R would fill in the gaps for low light where the M9P could not, and I had not intention of updating to a M240 for another 12 months.

    Then on a Friday evening, Saul from Camera Electronic, Perth, rang and said he had a black M240 finally in stock for me. I had the weekend to make a decision. Reluctantly I put my chrome M9P on ebay, and it sold over the weekend!! This did make my decision a lot easier, and yes on Tuesday I had the M240.

    The ergonomics of the M240 are great, 3" screen, and the RF accuracy is amazing. Every one of my lenses had been calibrated, and I still had some niggling issues with RF accuracy on the M9P/M-M. With the M240 straight out of the box, every lens is perfectly aligned with the M240 RF calibration, but more importantly, I am finding it so much easier to focus accurately and consistently, particularly with the 50 Noct f/1.0, 75 Lux and 90 Cron AA.

    I was never a fan of LV, but with WA's I am really enjoying the LV for getting the framing and perspective right with my 21 SEM and 24 Lux, without having to resort to an external VF. It really does make a difference. Previously, I had many shots where the horizon, or missed framing was not right, but had to correct in PP'ing.

    The DNG files from the M240 are very rich in colour and tonality. Even the B&W conversions are great too, almost obligating the need for the M-M There are definite WB issues, but so did the M9 when was first introduced, and there should be a FW coming soon to address this.
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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    so maybe an M240P
    Ashwin, I'm thinking the same...
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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hosermage View Post
    This may be a reason why I'm trying really hard to ignore the new M... I can't really justify keeping both except the need for a second body, but the emotional attachment to the old M9 will be hard to sever.
    When I will get the M my M9 has to go. What will not go is the MM though.
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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    Love my M9P, and even more so the MM. I Hope to have an M someday, once the kinks are worked out, but it may be a long time to get on a list and wait....a year at this point, so maybe an M240P ....I would like to see a WB, color tweak....
    Hi Ashwin
    There are kinks . . . and they are being ironed out BUT there are already fewer kinks than in the MM or the M9!

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Had an M9 for several years and got the MM in November, 2012. (Aside: the day I received the MM I also read Bryce Bayer's obituary in the New York Times.) Between November and May I shot less than a dozen color shots, i.e., did not use the M9, that is how enchanting the MM is. In May received M and sold M9. The excitement of the new camera got me to carrying both M and MM almost all the time. The M is, to me, very likable for reasons stated above. However, I still miss the resolution lost to the Bayer filter.
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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Ashwin
    There are kinks . . . and they are being ironed out BUT there are already fewer kinks than in the MM or the M9!
    MM...kinkds?...no way

    By the way: there seems a good chance that I will be owner of a M by the end of the week
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    MM...kinkds?...no way

    By the way: there seems a good chance that I will be owner of a M by the end of the week
    Resistance is futile! The only way would be to steer clear of forums like this

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    MM...kinkds?...no way

    By the way: there seems a good chance that I will be owner of a M by the end of the week
    Tom,

    Why am I not surprised ? This was in the air the moment the thread was opened. And there is a good chance I may go down the same route after having read the thread......
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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    I shoot about 80% black and white. I have an M8.2 and MM, both which I am happy with. Maybe when used prices on the M240 hit $5000 I'll take a look. Until then M8.2 is fine for color work.
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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Have had the M aka M240 for a month or so, after using the M9 for about 3 years.

    The main difference for me is the M240 is more fun to use. I think the shutter is a big part of it, more important than you'd expect. Not thinking about rain/weather, a battery that lasts over 1000 shots, seeing pictures bigger on the LCD, these things are probably part of it too.

    LV I almost never use. No thought of buying an EVF. Rangefinder seems more consistent than M9; ie always right.

    Re IQ. Better in a technical sense -- DR, ISO etc. But be prepared that what comes directly out of camera at first is often not particularly beautiful, at least compared to the M9. You actually have to post process the files. But you can. The files are more flexible. I think the main issue with what you see at initial default settings for the M240 in Lightroom is not just color and white balance issues, but unattractive default tone curves. I have a new appreciation for the look that comes from the out-of-camera M9 raws in Lightroom.

    So far, I've found better success with trying to take advantage of the M240's strengths rather than trying to exactly "match" the M9 look. The M240 sometimes looks more soft, detailed, smooth and saturated. The M9 often looks more brilliant and slightly hard. Just different starting points, I think.

    Two clear IQ advantages for the M240 though: B&W conversions, and the ISO range right around 1600. Both are key improvements.

    So M240 is a lot better for shots of people at night. In good light at base ISO, it's more of just a different starting point, one I'm still evaluating.

    Also seems my favorite lenses on M9 may not be the same as M240. Still figuring it out, but 35 Summarit I like less on M240 (in particular, some focus transitions seem more jarring, not sure why), 50 Summicron pre-APO I like more (on M240, strongly prefer it to 50 Summilux ASPH for people photos). 50 AA great on both, though different looks.

    So overall, so far: almost always want to use the M240; but also new appreciation for the M9 as a classic at base ISO.
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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by GMB View Post
    Tom,

    Why am I not surprised ? This was in the air the moment the thread was opened. And there is a good chance I may go down the same route after having read the thread......
    I had preordered one for long time but changed my mind every 2 months. When I started the thread I didnt know I could get it soon. The answers here helped me to be clear that I will most likely really like the new M.
    So the message that my M will be delivered soon came at the right moment (2 weeks ago I might have canceled the delivery)
    I am looking forward to the big display, speed, and more smooth shutter.
    Thanks for all the feedback and please keep the thread goin. I will hopefully be able to post my thoughts soon.

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Very happy about the transition. To me the EVF is a godsend, it saves me carrying a complete second DSLR system or making do with the Visoflex. The EVF serves well enough.* The improvements on the camera are the icing on the cake. Better rangefinder, better build, slightly better IQ. And all the goodies other posters mentioned. Nice, but not essential. All in all well worth the upgrade. I'm not selling my M9 though And the Monochrom remains my all-time favorite camera...

    *Don't do what I did this weekend, though. Take the DMR out for a spin. The R8 viewfinder makes the EVF look like a scene viewed through a coke-bottle bottom...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaapv View Post
    *Don't do what I did this weekend, though. Take the DMR out for a spin. The R8 viewfinder makes the EVF look like a scene viewed through a coke-bottle bottom...
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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Paratom, like you I'm using an M9 and have an M240 on order. Unlike you I do need liveview and an EVF.

    So, barring any unforeseen concerns the M240 will be a keeper, my dilemma will be whether to keep the M9. I'll set up the M240 as tripod based complete with EVF and L bracket and 21mm lens for my architectural work and may well keep the M9 as my walk-around camera with 35mm lens.

    Whatever, it's a nice position to be in.

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

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    Paratom, like you I'm using an M9 and have an M240 on order. Unlike you I do need liveview and an EVF.

    So, barring any unforeseen concerns the M240 will be a keeper, my dilemma will be whether to keep the M9. I'll set up the M240 as tripod based complete with EVF and L bracket and 21mm lens for my architectural work and may well keep the M9 as my walk-around camera with 35mm lens.

    Whatever, it's a nice position to be in.
    I once had an M8 and added a M8.2 with the thought of carrying 2 bodies, but in reality I did not want to carry 2 bodies often. Since then I know I am not someone who usually works with 2 bodies at the same time.
    So I assume the M9 would not be used anyways as soon as I receive the M. That's why I plan to sell it. I also want to concentrate on the new M and not switch back and forth and have 2 different types of files to work with.
    Also I am keeping my MM which I find unique (but here I also usually carry either the MM or the new M).
    As a backup? I am not a pro, and as a backup during vacation etc. I usually bring a smaller camera like the x2 or RX100 or X-Vario (my choice for many things at the moment and also a nice backup for the new M I believe)

    Regarding your plan...I understand that you like EVF for your landscape framing, but then doesn't it make sense to also use the camera with the better high ISO, the more quiet shutter, faster operation and good screen for walk around and maybe the M9 on the tripod (maybe with a good optical 21mm finder)?

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    Regarding your plan...I understand that you like EVF for your landscape framing, but then doesn't it make sense to also use the camera with the better high ISO, the more quiet shutter, faster operation and good screen for walk around and maybe the M9 on the tripod (maybe with a good optical 21mm finder)?
    The EVF and liveview on the M240 will be essential if I am to use it for my architectural work. For the moment though I'm keeping all options open.

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    It's good to see all the positive comments.
    I'll be up for a new M in late 2014 or 2015.
    Prior to that, I might seek a trade M9 for M Monochrom.

    But nothing right now. Too many conflicting desires and ideas. Better to just shoot and let my mind settle. Acting on impulse can be expensive, and more than just money.

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Miss the M9 file characteristics that came "right off the card", but I can get there without much effort in post with the M. (i.e. initial file quality still definitely needs work IMHO). Definitely easier to focus with the RF, sits in the hand a bit better (thumb rest?). Love the quiet shutter (like the old days with my M2's!), red frame lines, the more malleable files, higher ISO quality. Menu nav is improved, but what's with the metering choice options? A little confusing there initially. Will probably never use LV, but nice to know it's there if needed.

    Once the Multi-function handgrip makes its debut for tethering, I'll be in a very happy place, having a fully useable "lightweight" system to complement my S2 kit.

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    I guess I am kinky ....Seriously though, I need to use an M more before passing judgment. 1 day of shooting isn't fair. Both the M9 annd MM are buggy in their own ways, but I guess I am used to their quirks....I'd love an MM equivalent in color, blown highlights and all
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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    I'd love an MM equivalent in color, blown highlights and all
    Hi Ashwin
    I rather think that's what the M (240) is - except you don't get the blown highlights (maybe that's a deal breaker?)

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    That critical bayer-less detail is what blows me away every time. The M has plenty of resolution, however, and the DR is much much improved over the M9 (and the MM in highlights), from what I have seen. Truth be told, if I weren't getting married and had those finances to consider, I'd be all over an M and would have tried my best to figure it out (I adjust colors anyways, so it would just be a new work flow)....that being said, the M9 and MM work very well together as a 1-2 punch, despite their quirks...but the M240 may be a better option for those looking for one solution.

    Okay, shutting my trap now and off to work to inject some joints....I'm better at that anyways
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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    That critical bayer-less detail is what blows me away every time. The M has plenty of resolution, however, and the DR is much much improved over the M9 (and the MM in highlights), from what I have seen. Truth be told, if I weren't getting married and had those finances to consider, I'd be all over an M and would have tried my best to figure it out (I adjust colors anyways, so it would just be a new work flow)....that being said, the M9 and MM work very well together as a 1-2 punch, despite their quirks...but the M240 may be a better option for those looking for one solution.

    Okay, shutting my trap now and off to work to inject some joints....I'm better at that anyways
    You must be REALLY good at injecting joints then!

    Any time I need a joint injected I'm coming to see you.

    I was joking - Jaap and I have both been hat eating (I bought an MM, and he bought an M) They are both worth it!

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Can anyone quantify how much better the ISO is for their uses?
    What was your "comfortable max" ISO for M9 and now M240 by comparison?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjg284 View Post
    Can anyone quantify how much better the ISO is for their uses?
    What was your "comfortable max" ISO for M9 and now M240 by comparison?
    About 2 stops better I think, i.e., ISO3200 on M is about on par with ISO800 on M9. I read somewhere mentioning 1.5stops improvement, so YMMV.

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    Love my M9P, and even more so the MM. I Hope to have an M someday, once the kinks are worked out, but it may be a long time to get on a list and wait....a year at this point, so maybe an M240P ....I would like to see a WB, color tweak....
    I love my MM and even more so my M for color. What you ask for is coming as I was just in Solms and had some good assurances.

    Wait til you get an APO 50 and try it on the MM and then the M. Seems I would leave it on all the time, but with two bodies what do I do? Get two. So be it. Done.

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    I love my MM and even more so my M for color. What you ask for is coming as I was just in Solms and had some good assurances.

    Wait til you get an APO 50 and try it on the MM and then the M. Seems I would leave it on all the time, but with two bodies what do I do? Get two. So be it. Done.
    . . . . Hi There . . . . I hope you had a fine time in Solms . . . do you really have two 50 apo 'crons - I'm deeply in awe if you do!

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Mine will arrive in a week or so ... but ...

    What about cyan/magenta corners? Has anyone tried the CV 12 or CV 15?

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    The camera is certainly not be optimized for third party lenses. You will still need to do a flat field correction in postprocessing for the lenses you mention.
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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    . . . . Hi There . . . . I hope you had a fine time in Solms . . . do you really have two 50 apo 'crons - I'm deeply in awe if you do!
    If he does, then it would be worth to stack them up to do close ups and macros.
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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Hi again,
    I have had the new M now for 3 days...here is my experience:
    -it feels clearly heavier, no problem but I have to get used to it
    -I allways thought higher ISO of the M9 is ok for me, but going up to ISO 3200 and still getting good IQ gives more freedom in low light. Just more room to shoot handhold in lower light without having to fully open the lens. DOF is not dictated by amount of light available any more. great
    -shutter feel is very nice
    -I have checked my main lenses and they all seem to focus fine on my new M body. +
    -I have to get used to the places of the buttons and wheels. I hit life view by mistake a couple of times. Also the pressing the front button and turning the wheel for exp comp doesn't feel very natural. But its ok.
    -IQ: so far I like what I see quite a bit. For sure the color can be optimized but it is far from not being good IMO (lenses I have used: 35fle, 50/1.4asph, 75/2.0 and 21/3.4)
    I really like the 35fle on the new M. The 35mm frames nearly fill the whole viewfinder.

    Overall: I have the feeling that I made the right decision for me, I don't think it will take much more time until my M9 will be up for sale (I found the M9 allways great, and the M seems even "greater")

    I don't intend to do much with life view. The optical viewfinder and the rangefinder are the big reasons why I want to use this system (and the IQ of course).
    However as mentioned before from someone else: lifeview seems a great feature for checking focus accurancy of lenses.

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    Re: step from M9 to M type240 - your experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    That critical bayer-less detail is what blows me away every time. The M has plenty of resolution, however, and the DR is much much improved over the M9 (and the MM in highlights), from what I have seen. Truth be told, if I weren't getting married and had those finances to consider, I'd be all over an M and would have tried my best to figure it out (I adjust colors anyways, so it would just be a new work flow)....that being said, the M9 and MM work very well together as a 1-2 punch, despite their quirks...but the M240 may be a better option for those looking for one solution.

    Okay, shutting my trap now and off to work to inject some joints....I'm better at that anyways
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