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    New Profoto Pro-8a Power Packs!

    I just posted a quick summary of the new Profoto Pro-8a power packs over at my blog. Here's the basics:

    2400 Ws pack recylce to full power in 0.9 secs.
    10 f-stop power range in 1/10th increments (5 W/s - 2400 W/s)
    Flash duration of 1/1,600 (full) - 1/12,000 (min)
    Color temp varies less than 160 deg K from min to max
    Shot-to-shot stability of less than 1/50th of an f-stop
    Full asymmetry
    Supports up to 1000W modeling bulbs
    Built-in Profoto Air transceiver

    This thing is more accurate than a D4 and faster than a Pro-7a.... with a price tag to match. The 2400 comes in at $11K and the 1200 at $9700.

    Available in early October. I'm expecting to get hands-on time at Photokina.

    Now taking pre-orders.

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    Re: New Profoto Pro-8a Power Packs!

    Nice specs for sure David, but $11 GRAND for a pack? Sheesh!
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    Re: New Profoto Pro-8a Power Packs!

    That brings up a good point. Where exactly does your money go in these things? I don't mean this as a challenge, just a question. At a cursory glance, it seems a lot of money for something that basically fires a flash tube (it is not even the flash itself, nor is it battery powered and freed from the mains). Where it is easy to make the mental leap with optics (which are made from exotic materials, extraordinarily precision ground, assembled, lots of moving parts etc) and medium format digital with its huge, low yield silicon sensors, electronics, LCD displays and so on. What is in a profoto (or a broncolor, or a elinchrome, or a hensel etc) power pack that makes it cost 11,000 dollars (or even 2000 dollars)?
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    Leaves me out . 2 heads only . Ouch
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    Yeah, noticed that myself. Do like the speed of this new pack for sure....very impressive specs, and if it delivers within those specs, it gets more high marks. Would be a great unit for fashion and stuff, I would guess, but only two heads and not even battery makes it a bit less attractive. The D4 is still a phenomenal pack considering what it does. The speed on this new Pro-8a does look very impressive however, suggesting they have a lot of electronics to manage and store a lot of charge for shooting power.

    Guy, just think....a couple of these, plus heads and stuff are in the range of a rather nicely tricked out MF kit ;-) (Wonder if it comes with the espresso maker?)

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    Re: New Profoto Pro-8a Power Packs!

    Uh? Where's the Bentley hood ornament ... or is that extra?

    And here I thought my 2400 D4's were mind bogglingly expensive ... but hey, at least I can run 4 heads ... with this pup I'd need two for a mere $22,000.

    Makes that Hensel Tria 1500 Speed I was looking at (which recycles @ .7 sec. full power and supports 3 heads) ... look like chump change @ $2,225.

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    Stuart,

    These kinds of specs are really hard to achieve. You could use lens design as an example... with camera optics, lens designers have to balance several factors and make certain trade-offs. Center sharpness, edge sharpness, light gathering, CA, distortion control, coma, astigmatism, macro-contrast, micro-contrast, color rendition, flare suppression, bokeh, size, weight, feel, and, oh yeah - cost to make and how many they can sell at that price.

    Top end studio lighting is very similiar to this. The Pro-8a was designed as a no sacrifice pack. In the past, you could have a fast, powerfull pack with quick recycle and short duration but limited control and okay color stability, or you could have a very color stable pack with more control but so-so recycle speed and duration, etc.

    To put all the elements together like this is very, very difficult. The 8a has less color and power variation than the D4, which is one of the best out there. Shot-to-shot power output is only +/- 1/50th of a stop! The most accurate hand-held meter can't even detect this difference. The color shift from 2400 W/s to 150 W/s is just 50 deg K, which you probably can't see without a digital color meter. It is 50% faster in recycle than the 7a, which is again one of the fastest. 0.9 seconds to 2400 W/s is really, really fast and <0.5 seconds is just plain rediculous for 1200 W/s. I've never seen a pack that has a 10 f-stop power range before, let alone one with 1/10th increments. That means you can go from 1/1 to 1/1000 power, with 100 levels of precise control. That means f/2.8 to f/90, as an example. The flash duration is as short as 1/12,000 sec and still only 1/1,600 at full power. All of these factors add up to what is an AMAZING feat of electrical engineering.

    In addition to all these factors, it is designed to be used each and every day in professional use for years. The reason that Profoto Pro packs are the #1 pack found in any major rental studio from Tokyo to NYC to Paris, etc. is they just perform, day in and day out. The modifier selection is excellent and the flash tubes last seemingly forever. For those coming to the lighting workshop, remind me to show you a Profoto Pro-B head that has almost 500,000 shots on the original tube, after being dipped, powered-on into the Atlantic ocean... twice.

    So, why do you need this level of control, accuracy, and performance? You may not for your photography, but some might argue that the price of Leica, Zeiss, or Schneider glass isn't worth it. How could a 50mm lens cost $6,000, for example? Or, some may question whether they need a 60MP MFD back, or even a 31MP MFD when a Nikon or Canon would do. Why spend $40K on a digital camera when $1K will do? The reality is that the equipment is there for those who need it, whether it be lighting, lenses, or camera backs. For many studio shooters, this pack would be a better investment than a new digital back every two years, especially if you were doing multi-shot shooting for commercial product.

    If you're attending the lighting workshop, you'll get to see what the fuss is about Profoto, as that is what the host studio uses 100%, from packs to soft boxes. Lots of 7a and D4 packs. The 8a won't be available yet, but you'll be able to see where the money goes. A 7a 2400 is over $9K today, so $2K more for A LOT more performance is a pretty good deal actually.


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    Re: New Profoto Pro-8a Power Packs!

    Thank you for the detailed answer Dale. I am not attending the lighting workshop, but I have assisted for people who use profoto, so I do have a general idea as to how they work and why people choose them. But to be completely honest, I don't really buy the need for 1/50th of a stop accuracy -- not just for my photography, but for anyone's. As you said, this is undetectable with a handheld meter, and undetectable by eye as well. The eye has trouble seeing a 1/6th of a stop difference. It would be one thing if people were shooting slide film still, where they needed spot on results on every single frame or else it was ruined. With digital, any minor differences in exposure and color balance can be changed very quickly and easily. Everything else seems great though, so I am sure it will be a great answer for a lot of studio shooters.
    Don't get me wrong, I admire the march of progress and if you can do 1/50th of a stop, then why not, but it just seems a bit much. I am sure it will find many buyers though.
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    You need that level of consistency if you are shooting with a mulit-shot MF back. Imagine if you have a 16 shot exposure and you were varying only1/6th of a stop....and your color temp was shifting only +/- 30 deg K at the same time...

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    touché
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Makes that Hensel Tria 1500 Speed I was looking at (which recycles @ .7 sec. full power and supports 3 heads) ... look like chump change @ $2,225.
    Marc,

    The Tria 1500 Speed is a symmetrical pack with a 1500 W/s full power vs. an asymmetrical 2400 W/s pack. It is also 6 stops control vs. 10 stops. A better comparison would be the Tria 3000 AS, which still only covers 6 stops (96 - 3000 W/s). And, unlike your D4 packs, the four outlets split into two symmetrical groups, rather than individual control on each head. Flash duration is 1/740th sec with one head vs. 1/1600th. Recycle is 2 sec at full power vs. 0.9. The Profoto really dominates in a head-to-head, but should considering that the Tria is $4,200 vs. $11K for the Profoto. Personally, what I fiind most useful is the lower power settings that are attainable from this new 8a pack. I use 19 W/s an aweful lot on my D4, and would love to have 5 W/s when I need it.

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    About time the Pro8 came out. Nice specs. One thing to remember about lighting is that you can keep it forever, almost. I had Pro6 lights for years. Bought them just as the Pro7 system came out. Last year I upgraded to Pro7's and love them. I can leave these on and shoot for 15 hours and the last pop is the same as the first in terms of color temp and output.

    Two head limit does not bother me as I usually use one head per pack anyway. I wonder what the flash duration is for two Pro8's driving a twin heads at, say, half power.

    Don't sleep on teh Acute2 line of packs and heads. I have an Acute 1200 that I use all teh time when I travel. Consistent and reliable, takes all the Profoto modifiers etc.

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    The sun shines for free

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    Re: New Profoto Pro-8a Power Packs!

    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    The sun shines for free
    That's a good signature tag line for landscape shooters Doug!

    (Course it doesn't help studio shooters much )
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    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    The sun shines for free
    Nice. Nothing in New York is free. Even access to some nice daylight usually costs!

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    David,
    I think your points are well made, and do understand the value of gear that has these sort of capabilities. It may not be for everyone, but it also can do things easier that are a lot harder to achieve with some other gear.

    Think about multi-pop exposures, for example. Having that much control over color and exposure duration is important. Sure, some folks may not care, or are willing to spend the time in post to correct any color variances or shifts, but this unit can help reduce those issues a lot. Another thing that comes to mind is that ability to dial things down with very subtle control in light. I am thinking about a situation with something like a grid spot, where moving the light closer or further to help get just the right exposure because you do not have fine control on the head, also disrupts the lighting setting itself. Having a packhead that one can control that finely allows critical light placement for spread and effect, then dialing in precisely the amount of light for the exposure needed.....and controlled from the camera no less. Very cool.

    Sorry to prattle on, but after catching a breath from the sticker shock, the capabilities of these higher end packs and stuff take on a much greater value for somebody that is shooting a lot of things and needing to control that light very precisely. This Pro-8a looks like quite the ticket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfarkas View Post
    Marc,

    The Tria 1500 Speed is a symmetrical pack with a 1500 W/s full power vs. an asymmetrical 2400 W/s pack. It is also 6 stops control vs. 10 stops. A better comparison would be the Tria 3000 AS, which still only covers 6 stops (96 - 3000 W/s). And, unlike your D4 packs, the four outlets split into two symmetrical groups, rather than individual control on each head. Flash duration is 1/740th sec with one head vs. 1/1600th. Recycle is 2 sec at full power vs. 0.9. The Profoto really dominates in a head-to-head, but should considering that the Tria is $4,200 vs. $11K for the Profoto. Personally, what I find most useful is the lower power settings that are attainable from this new 8a pack. I use 19 W/s an awful lot on my D4, and would love to have 5 W/s when I need it.

    David
    Oh, i have no doubt this Profoto is top dog ... but as far as I'm concerned it can stay in someone else's kennel And that is coming from a Profoto enthusiasts.

    A two head pack is useless IMHO ... maybe okay for a battery unit, but not a studio pack ... at least not in my studio. Yet, I'm sure some specialist like fashion shooters will want it.

    But really, IMHO 11K is over the top for a 2 head box. It'll be interesting to see if the rental houses carry them.

    Heck, for 11K I can buy 4 Tria 1500 Speed packs and make my own "Asymmetrical" bank of 4 heads rather than 2 ... totaling out at 6000 w/s instead of 2400 ...
    Or if I'm shooting multishot, I could get an entire Dedolite HMI system for 11K

    As for dialing down to 5 w/s ... Gee, that's only $2,200. per w/s ... man, there are ton of ways to limit the light.

    I don't mean to bash this high tech accomplishment ... it IS the cat's pajamas ... yet this is getting downright ridiculous ... $50K for a camera and 11K for a 2 outlet box.

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    Cat's pajamas. I love it. I'm still laughing . Sorry if I only had 11k in my slimy little paws right now my litter box would be full of a lot of cool tools that I REALLY need. Sorry i have to agree with Marc. What it has come down too is we are to freaking lazy to get off our chair and actually dial down a light. At 51 you think i would enjoy that comfort from my chair. Sorry i need the exercise more . Not saying not to get one just use your head and not your wallet. And from my POV better have a damn good need for it. Some do
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    Quote Originally Posted by LJL View Post
    David,
    I think your points are well made, and do understand the value of gear that has these sort of capabilities. It may not be for everyone, but it also can do things easier that are a lot harder to achieve with some other gear.

    Think about multi-pop exposures, for example. Having that much control over color and exposure duration is important. Sure, some folks may not care, or are willing to spend the time in post to correct any color variances or shifts, but this unit can help reduce those issues a lot. Another thing that comes to mind is that ability to dial things down with very subtle control in light. I am thinking about a situation with something like a grid spot, where moving the light closer or further to help get just the right exposure because you do not have fine control on the head, also disrupts the lighting setting itself. Having a packhead that one can control that finely allows critical light placement for spread and effect, then dialing in precisely the amount of light for the exposure needed.....and controlled from the camera no less. Very cool.

    Sorry to prattle on, but after catching a breath from the sticker shock, the capabilities of these higher end packs and stuff take on a much greater value for somebody that is shooting a lot of things and needing to control that light very precisely. This Pro-8a looks like quite the ticket.

    LJ
    How did Multi shot shooters do it before this came out? I can't recall a single ad I've had done Multishot that suffered from the issues this pack supposedly solves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Cat's pajamas. I love it. I'm still laughing . Sorry if I only had 11k in my slimy little paws right now my litter box would be full of a lot of cool tools that I REALLY need. Sorry i have to agree with Marc. What it has come down too is we are to freaking lazy to get off our chair and actually dial down a light. At 51 you think i would enjoy that comfort from my chair. Sorry i need the exercise more . Not saying not to get one just use your head and not your wallet. And from my POV better have a damn good need for it. Some do
    Heck Guy, I can controll both my D4s from an arm chair and that's 8 different heads if I want

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    This pack will do well in NYC. Keep in mind that the practice in New York (as opposed to other places I've shot) is to have one pack per head. Its how i learned and how I still shoot. This pack brings the Pro line Profotos in line with, and surpasses, Broncolor.

    I'm sure I'll get one just before the Pro9 is introduced!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    How did Multi shot shooters do it before this came out? I can't recall a single ad I've had done Multishot that suffered from the issues this pack supposedly solves.
    Marc,
    Not saying that it solves all problems. I was thinking "multi-pop", but that may not be such and issue with the amount of power it can put out. Actually, both multi-pop and multishot would be the same....needing more than one fire to match the multiple exposures of a multi-shot back.

    I do not think that it was ever really a "problem" before, as you aptly comment. This new pack just seems able to deliver a very high level of consistency, from what the specs are showing. That may matter for some, but like you, I think it is a bit overkill for something that most shooters never really had too many issues with. I am sure there are folks that will want this kind of performance, but man, at quite a price.

    Still think this would be the ticket for fast action fashion type shooting, and maybe some other things along that line where recycle time could become a lot more important. Does not seem to be much the case for MF, except multishot, but other things in 35mm DSLR might take advantage of the speed.....thinking something like gymnastics and other sports where many frames are shot and composited.

    Obviously, Profoto seems to feel that there is a "need" for this kind of performance, aside from bragging rights, and as Mark comments, it may do really well in NYC shooting. Guess we shall see how it is received.

    As several commented, including me, the two head support does seem limiting a bit, especially given the price and power of this thing. The D4 can get you more for a lot less, and I really doubt most would ever need that much more, but that short flash duration at higher power outputs is impressive also. Most of us can get the shorter duration with lower power settings, but this baby can do it full on.

    I could see building it into a kit.....if there was a huge amount of spare money laying around (year, right), or using it from the rentals houses if they can pony up for them, but there are too many other good, practical, and more affordable solutions out there right now.

    LJ

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    Profoto and Broncolor were head to head in their various fields of expertise...Broncolor's a still-life number 1 choice and Profoto's unbeatable for all the commercial and fashion work. Now with Procolor sorting out their power dialing system to make it more accurate (Pro 7a was a pain to dial...and the click stops were not fine enough), and having faster flash duration, and more consistent color temperature and consistency in general (prolem with Acutes is that there will be occasions when the flashes don't fire off properly, and if you're using 5 packs there's a 5 time higher chance of the picture getting screwed up because of that)

    For a rental house to buy a whole bunch of Pro 8a packs doesn't seem like such a big deal I think.
    Frankly it seems like a better investment than a digital back, Iv'e been using my Pro b2 packs for years lugging them over countless airmiles and through bad conditions and they still work like a charm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jingq View Post
    Profoto and Broncolor were head to head in their various fields of expertise...Broncolor's a still-life number 1 choice and Profoto's unbeatable for all the commercial and fashion work. Now with Procolor sorting out their power dialing system to make it more accurate (Pro 7a was a pain to dial...and the click stops were not fine enough), and having faster flash duration, and more consistent color temperature and consistency in general (prolem with Acutes is that there will be occasions when the flashes don't fire off properly, and if you're using 5 packs there's a 5 time higher chance of the picture getting screwed up because of that)

    For a rental house to buy a whole bunch of Pro 8a packs doesn't seem like such a big deal I think.
    Frankly it seems like a better investment than a digital back, Iv'e been using my Pro b2 packs for years lugging them over countless airmiles and through bad conditions and they still work like a charm.
    Couldn't have said it better myself. I'm sure Splashlight will have them as soon as they are available, or at least a few to test the waters.

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    Re: New Profoto Pro-8a Power Packs!

    Well, the point that many big studios use one pack per head is well taken ... and some of those places can well afford 11K per to make their studio tops in production values.

    And the fact that all this Profoto stuff "takes a licking and keeps on ticking" also makes it a sound investment that pays off in the long run.

    Sadly, for schlumps like me, 11K is out of the question. Business isn't all that hot right now.

    However, just for my running friendly competition with Irakly, I do like Profoto kicking Broncolor's butt

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    I wonder if this means there will be an 8b too? I also wonder if there will now be a ton of used 7's flooding the market? Always wanted one for the flash speed but been really happy with my D4-1200.

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    There's no point in comparing the Pro 8 to Hensels. The flash duration on the Hensel is pretty poor and worlds apart from the Pro 8. If you're shooting still, then that's probably fine. I bought into the Profoto Pro series thanks to the fast flash speed which I consider very important for dynamic people shooting. Even my Pro 6 generators are faster than almost everything else out there. The 10 stop range and 1/10th stop increments are both important improvements over my Pro 6s and it doesn't hurt that everything else is even more consistent and faster than before.

    So as usual, quality is expensive but if you need the fast flash duration then you don't have much choice.

    I'm also a big fan of th new appearance. Not the the old ones look bad but this thing makes me drool

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    Quote Originally Posted by foto-z View Post
    There's no point in comparing the Pro 8 to Hensels. The flash duration on the Hensel is pretty poor and worlds apart from the Pro 8. If you're shooting still, then that's probably fine. I bought into the Profoto Pro series thanks to the fast flash speed which I consider very important for dynamic people shooting. Even my Pro 6 generators are faster than almost everything else out there. The 10 stop range and 1/10th stop increments are both important improvements over my Pro 6s and it doesn't hurt that everything else is even more consistent and faster than before.

    So as usual, quality is expensive but if you need the fast flash duration then you don't have much choice.

    I'm also a big fan of th new appearance. Not the the old ones look bad but this thing makes me drool
    No doubt the 8A is the top of the heap. But world's apart? Maybe in price

    But just to keep the facts straight: the 8A 1200 w/s pack is 1/1600th flash duration at full power, compared to 1/2200 of the 1500w/s Hensel Speed. The 8A does rapidly accelerate as you dial down the power, topping out at 1/12,000th verses 1/7,400th duration of the Hensel. By then we are talking some pretty specialized applications ... and most certainly that doesn't include dynamic people shots ... unless you are photographing the human flash

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    But just to keep the facts straight: the 8A 1200 w/s pack is 1/1600th flash duration at full power, compared to 1/2200 of the 1500w/s Hensel Speed.
    Where did you see the figure of 1/2200 for the Hensel at 1500Ws? I had a look at the factory data sheet but the power setting wasn't specified so I assume that's the top speed not the slowest? If that's so then it doesn't compare to 1/12,000 for the Profoto.

    The human flash? I guess you haven't shot much sports action with studio flash. You need all the speed you can get unless you like motion blur.

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    Graham -- I think he is referencing the specific pack that is called the Hensel Speed. It is much faster than their other packs.
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    Yes, it's the Hensel Tria Speed ... it's 300 w/s more powerful than the 1200 w/s 8A, and at full power has a shorter flash duration. The Hensel recycles in .7 sec @ full power, which is a nano second slower than the 8A. @ .5 sec. The 1/12,000 duration figure of the Profoto is at minimum power ... which is 5 w/s.

    As I said, the Profoto is most certainly the top of the speed heap ... but it's also $9,825. verses $2,225. for the Tria.

    BTW, my whole studio is Profoto ... and I use smaller Hensel boxes for location work.

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    If that is true about the Hensels then I should take a closer look, but I would still like to see a reference for that figure. As I said, I looked at the tech data on the website and the flash duration did not have a reference to any power setting so we don't know if it's the minimum or maximum. A bit strange.

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    Hmmm, here it is in black and white on their web site:

    http://www.hensel.eu/TRIA%201500%20S...-37-37-da.html

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    There seems to be some conflict with what is on the website and what I grabbed out of the Hensel Tria Manual PDF.

    Note that all the specs listed are at 230V, which means faster recycle times than at 110V.

    If you go by these specs and assume that the recycle speed is the same at 110V, the Pro-8a is 100% faster. If we go by the 0.7 secs figure, the Pro-8a is still 40% faster. And 1500 vs 1200 is just 1/4 of a stop (ie. less than the difference between f/10 and f/11), which I don't think affects recycle speed all that much.

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    Also, the Pro-8a 1200 has a 1/2200th of a sec duration at max power. The 2400 has a duration of 1/1600th at max. Again, from the manual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Hmmm, here it is in black and white on their web site:

    http://www.hensel.eu/TRIA%201500%20S...-37-37-da.html
    ... with no power setting quoted, as I said! That seems to be a flash duration given for one head attached, then another with 3 heads attached. It's not black and white at all.

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    Their specs are confusing. I think the best thing to do would be to just email them and ask them. I am too lazy to do it, however. Also, I don't really care that much!
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    For $10,000. I'm absolutely certain that I don't care that much

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    Now that the 8a is out, who wants to buy my 7a?

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    Just to add some salt
    http://www.dito.se/pdf/Quadx testinfo.pdf


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    Interesting test data on the Bowens. (You have to put a hard space between Quadx and testinfo.pdf in the above link to make it work.)

    Unfortunately, it is comparing things to the older and much slower Profoto Pro7a, and not the new speed demon Pro 8a, which if you look at the specs listed above, may tell a bit different story. All that aside, it is nice to see some of the new technology advances moving across other lines of lighting gear. For the seemingly longest time, studio lighting was sort of stuck with same old tech in just a newer more costly package.

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    Thanks Lj, I miss a space for pdf...
    Yes, I agree with you regarding new technologies, but cant agree with a prices...

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    Braca,
    Not sure what you mean about not agreeing with prices. In my mind, the Profotos and Brons and even the Hensels and others are expensive in comparison to Bowen or even DynaLite. Not saying the are not good or not worth the price (Profotos may get some of the hardest use and fill many rental shops, so their prices tend to reflect their utility and ruggedness to a point.) What I was referring to is something like the change from the Pro 7a to the Pro 8a in the Profoto line. The incorporation of some of the new tech came with a significant price increase. Not so much in some other lines, like DynaLite or maybe Bowens, but Brons, Hensels, Profotos and even Elinchroms showed a price increase every time they put forth some new tech. That was what I was referring to. I think some of the new features and speeds are great, but some of price increases to get these are not always so cheap.

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    two heads is ok--this is primarily for studio guys with budgets so most top shooters want a pack per or and at most two as TMARK said above---quicker response time and why ruin a spec with extra heads. i think profoto is targeting rental houses and the large NYC studios (tokyo, la, etc, etc). there has to big margins in these. the good news for the common guy is 7a's and D4's will start showing up used in a limited quantity and could be an excellent buy if you even need that kind of performance. however with the state of high-end photography today, i bet a lot of studio's will just run their 7a's into the ground.

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    The 7a's should be run until they stop. Amazing light and great specs.

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