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    metz 54mz flash series?

    Does anyone know the difference between the:
    54mz-3, 54mz-4, and 54mz-4i ?
    To be used with Mamiya afdII

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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    The 4i just included support for nikon's i-ttl. No difference for other stuff as far as I know. If I remember right the difference between the mz-3 and mz-4 was the newer shoe which can be bought seperately anyway though I would check on that, it's been 3 years since I used 54's and I can't remember that well.
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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    I think the 4 has a dedicated shoe allowing more compatibility with the systems it is dedicated to, while the 3 allows you to swap shoes for different systems. As such, the 3 has less compatibility with the more advanced TTL systems like those from Canon and Nikon.
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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    Thanks for the response.
    There is a 54 mz-3 with the sca 3952 adaptor available. Would there be any downside in getting that one rather than a later model if all it was going to be used for was a mamiya?

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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    Hi Barry:

    AFAIK, the only Metz that will work TTL on the Mamiya 645 AFDx is the 54MZ 3 with the 3952 foot.

    I have that combo and it works very well, but rather limited options compared to a Canon or Nikon flash on their respective bodies -- though I know of no better alternative for the Mamiya...
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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    Hi Jack,
    Do you mean that the 3 actually works better than the 4 series with an AFD II?

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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    I'm using the 54MZ 4i with the Mamiya/Phase AFDIII body just fine. Mine is the non-dedicated version so that I can change the SCA adaptor and then use the same flash with my Hassy, Leica, or Mamiya.

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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    Do they handle fill flash outdoors with flash compensation?

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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    Quote Originally Posted by harmsr View Post
    I'm using the 54MZ 4i with the Mamiya/Phase AFDIII body just fine. Mine is the non-dedicated version so that I can change the SCA adaptor and then use the same flash with my Hassy, Leica, or Mamiya.
    Ah, my bad. I did not even realize there was a non-dedicated version of the 4 that used the dedicated feet -- what is the difference between it and the 3?

    Barry, my 3 + 3952 works as fill with compensation, but of course on the Mamiya you are limited to a 1/125th synch speed which is somewhat limiting when shooting outdoors --
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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    Now I am really mixed up. There are dedicated & non dedicated versions of the Metz Flashes? Meaning you can get a Mamiya only version?

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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    I do not think there is a dedicated, Mamiya only version of any Metz flash, only the shoe style. That is what I was trying to say up above...
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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    What do you mean by dedicated versus non dedicated show style. Don't you just buy the flash & simply get the Sca.... that is necessary for whatever camera you are using?

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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    Jack,
    I think I am going to have to call you again

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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    AFAIK, the DEDICATED Metz units do not allow for changing the feet. The SCA or universal versions of the flashes do.
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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    AFAIK, the DEDICATED Metz units do not allow for changing the feet. The SCA or universal versions of the flashes do.
    Correct. If I remember correctly they have some dedicated versions for the big sellers like Nikon and Canon, which do not have interchangeable SCA adaptors.

    I can't answer on the differences between the 3 & 4.

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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    http://www.metz.de/en/photo-electron...i-digital.html

    The Metz 54 series is an SCA adaptor flash. It's annoying as I used to know this stuff, I used a couple of Metz 54-3's for 2.5 year with a 10D and 1Ds in the days when ETTL was worse than pukeable and Auto flash was the only way to get reliable flash exposures. I do remember that for canon there was no difference between the 3 and 4.

    If you look through the metz site it should say what functionality will be available with the metz adaptors for the Mamiya. They are also very good on answering technical emails. According to the tech sheet there isn't a specific adaptor for Mamiya (strange, I'm sure there used to be) ebay may be your friend there.

    Otherwise, and only if you can't get an appropriate SCA then to be honest there are easier to use Auto Flash (only) units. When you are having to input iso, aperture and compensation via their annoyingly tiny control wheel. Pretty much any Nikon flash gun has far more user friendly auto controls and the non digital compatible ones can't be given away on ebay these days.

    Of course as you are a canon shooter, the 580ex II has an auto mode and a pretty easy interface to dial in values and you will get a far better ETTL flash should you want to use it on your canons. The Metz is extremely fiddly IMO for ETTL and you can only use the Auto flash mode in manual unless you get an older deprogrammed canon SCA adaptor (which I had). Have to admit that after years of annoyingly limited auto flash for fill, the sensors on auto flashes aren't good except close up outdoors for reliable fill, and using pain in the tuches ND filters, having reliable hi-sync flash on my canons has been such a blessing!
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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    Just checked again, the SCA adaptor on both the 3 and 4 for your AFD II is the SCA 3952 M with full TTL control. No change in functionality between the 3 and 4 with that adaptor either so I think a cheaper 3 might be the answer.

    Woops, wait a sec, there isn't any TTL for digital, no film plane to read off unless they are doing something very clever. I think we're back to auto flash and as such, a different flash gun would IMO be a better idea.
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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    Got the following reply from Metz in Germany.


    Many thanks for your e-mail enquiry of 19.October 2008.

    The only difference between the mecablitz 54 MZ-4 and the mecablitz 54 MZ-3 is that the mecablitz 54 MZ-4 additional disposes of the D-TTL flashcontrol in combination with the Nikon digital-cameras. However all further functions and features of equipment are identical. Therefore the flash units mecablitz 54 MZ-3 and 54 MZ-3 can be used with the same functions in combination with the Mamiya camera.

    We hope we could be in assistance to you and remain
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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post

    Woops, wait a sec, there isn't any TTL for digital, no film plane to read off unless they are doing something very clever. I think we're back to auto flash and as such, a different flash gun would IMO be a better idea.
    Ben, this is erroneous, sorry. I have a 54MZ3 with the Mamiya foot and I get full TTL with EV comp on my AFD2/3 bodies and it works as advertised with my P45+ back. (also note there are a few *DEDICATED* versions of the MZ4's that do not allow for interchanging SCA feet )

    Barry, that is good clarification, thanks for sharing it.

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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Ben, this is erroneous, sorry. I have a 54MZ3 with the Mamiya foot and I get full TTL with EV comp on my AFD2/3 bodies and it works as advertised with my P45+ back. (also note there are a few *DEDICATED* versions of the MZ4's that do not allow for interchanging SCA feet )

    Barry, that is good clarification, thanks for sharing it.

    Cheers,

    Sorry Jack, how the heck do they do it? According to the Metz site there are no current MZ4 flashes that are not SCA compatible, the dedicated flash units are all called different things.
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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    I have no idea, all I can tell you is it works as advertised on my AFD3/P45+ combo.

    My guess is that the TTL flash sensor in the body has a translucent dome over it like an incident meter, and the reflectance of film emulsion and the digital sensor glass are not different enough to be a concern.

    FWIW, the set ISO toggles over automatically, the auto head zoom to match mounted lens focal works too (however it only works in the 35mm mode, not the MF mode which is weird) and the wink fill works equally well when combined with the main (direct or bounced) in TTL too...
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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    The original ETTL implemention on the mz-3 with the SCA 3101 adaptor wasn't actually ETTL at all, it used an external sensor actually in the flash head. You couldn't use any diffusion with it. I assume they dropped it by the time they released the mz-4, by then they had reverse engineered ETTL properly with the 3102 adaptor (you get full modern ETTL with the mz-3 and the new adaptor). Could be that the TTL on the Mamiya is more sophisticated than just film plane reflection.
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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    Or maybe they changed something with the newer 3xx2 series adapters...
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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    More Metz questions....Is the Metz mecablitz 54MZ-4 TTL Shoe Mount (non-dedicated) the appropriate unit to use with a SCA-390 adapter? This is for 'blad 503CW and 203FE bodies.

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    I have combo and it works very well.

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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    [QUOTE=Jack Flesher;54500]Hi Barry:

    AFAIK, the only Metz that will work TTL on the Mamiya 645 AFDx is the 54MZ 3 with the 3952 foot.



    How about the SCA 3951, I thought that it was the one for Phase/Mamiya 645s'? Please don't tell me that I have once again made a "mis-purchase" for my yet to arrive camera!!!
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    Don't do it!

    I've had 3 54 MZ 3/4's over the years, all used heavilly, and they've all been repaired at various times. Presently they are all dead and will never be repaired again. Good money out for bad IMHO.

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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    Fair enough. So what is the solution for an on camera, walk around type flash for Phase cameras?

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    Re: metz 54mz flash series?

    Quote Originally Posted by pesto View Post
    Fair enough. So what is the solution for an on camera, walk around type flash for Phase cameras?
    I really don't know. Maybe they are your only option. I've only ever used them on Leica and Canon bodies, not with your setup. They are actually a very good flash, which I why I had several of them, but I just don't see them lasting very long with anything more than amateur use. The front lens/bezel burns/melts quite soon with regular use of very wide angle lenses. They are not built to the same robustness of Canon and Nikon flashes. That doesn’t help you does it…

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