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    Hartblei 45mm Tilt-Shift

    Is anyone currently using this lens on the Mamiya 645 platform
    with either a Phase P45+ or Aptus 75?

    If so,is the lens up to the task of delivering enough resolution
    with these backs?

    I'm coming from a pretty long history of large format landscape
    shooting and ,when using my 1Ds2 and 1Ds3,I find even a modest
    amount of tilt incredibly useful for the type of work I gravitate to.

    Thanks,
    Mark

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    Re: Hartblei 45mm Tilt-Shift

    what kind of samples would you like to see? we have the hartblie 45 t/s for mamiya with p45+. will provide you with files. let me know.

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    Re: Hartblei 45mm Tilt-Shift

    I'd like to see a straight shot (no tilt) then a full corner shift (again no tilt) on the same set-up to compare the corner performance at full shift.
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    Re: Hartblei 45mm Tilt-Shift

    Lance you should send that lens to Jack to try out and test
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    Re: Hartblei 45mm Tilt-Shift

    Great Idea
    Anyway heading to office and will try to set up a quick test on the lens this morning.
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    Re: Hartblei 45mm Tilt-Shift

    I had one of these for Contax 645 a few years back. It was handy for shift stitching but I didn't find the image quality up to Zeiss standards. Cheap though.

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    Re: Hartblei 45mm Tilt-Shift

    I tested three of them on my Contax 3 years ago, and all were pretty much crap in the corners and got worse as you shifted. Hopefully it was teething and they are better now
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    Re: Hartblei 45mm Tilt-Shift

    Oops. Just went to mount the lens that was sent down here, it was a Contax mount!
    Anyway will try to get one to test.
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    Re: Hartblei 45mm Tilt-Shift

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    I tested three of them on my Contax 3 years ago, and all were pretty much crap in the corners and got worse as you shifted. Hopefully it was teething and they are better now
    Would the crop factor of the sensor help?

    Flare control is another thing where the brand name lenses might be better. I have a 55mm Arsat shift that will flare if there is a white house on a sunny day in the picture.

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    Re: Hartblei 45mm Tilt-Shift

    Thanks for the offer,Lance

    I'd be using this lens in a classic near/far landscape application where maximum
    depth of field is required. How the lens performs with shift is not a primary concern
    for me.
    A simple vertical shot in a parking lot or something similar where the camera is
    positioned 18 or 24 inches above the ground and having some foreground detail
    24 inches or so from lens as well as a distant horizon would be an ideal test for
    my needs.
    With the Hasselblad ArcBody (which I no longer own) and 45mm I could easily get
    subject matter from two feet to ' infinity' in complete focus @f 11 with only
    a couple of degrees of tilt.
    If the Hartblei 45 TS could yield decent results under these conditions then it would
    pretty much seal the deal for a Mamiya/Phase platform for me.

    There are a number of decent 6x9 solutions available that I could put a DB on
    but I often shoot in less than ideal situations with short windows of time that make
    this option less than desireable.
    As an example,today I was shooting (1Ds3 with 24ts and 45ts) creek and waterfall
    scenics in the rain.Blackflies were insane and were clustering on lens element and
    lens shade increasing frustration levels.
    The tripod was in mid stream and I was using one hand to hold an umbrella to
    keep camera relatively dry.
    If I had to do this with a DB with a system that required swapping ground glass
    back and forth with the DB then,given the circumstances and risk I think I would
    often pass on the shot.
    I've done it for decades with 6x9 or 4x5 cameras and,while physically challenging,
    the penalty for dropping a film holder is nowhere near as catastrophic as dropping
    a DB would be.
    The ArcBody was pretty ideal for me but I could not get my head around the
    traditional Blad V system ergonomics that I would have to use for regular shooting
    since the Arc is V mount

    Thanks,
    Mark


    Thx,
    Mark

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    Re: Hartblei 45mm Tilt-Shift

    Kiev Camera sells these for $725 in several mounts.

    http://kievcamera.net/catalog/produc...products_id=65

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