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Guy and Jack, what was it about the Hy6 which was hard to figure out?
He is welcome back at anytime as long as he follows the privacy rules of the PM system.Arrrgh, that's disconcerting. I value a variety of points of view and Thierry's is of value to me. The he-said, he-said minutia aside and viewing this from a big-picture perspective, I'd hate to see this forum become too one-sided in any brand's favor. Sinar needs to have a foot-hold on the forum. The company offers an excellent product that deserves representation. Don't worry, we're all fairly sophisticated and read between the lines when disagreements occur within the extended family that is GetDPI.
My .02 is that Theirry, Sinar and GetDPI lose by Theirry leaving.
That is probably correct, and that is why you have a dealer network. Rep calls dealer and says "How would you like to make a quick sale?", dealer calls you and says the rep sent him, everyone is happy.I fully respect that selling a few mobil packs to a single shooter is probably not worth this reps time, and he'd much rather fill a studio order.
You are more than welcome. As you know i will not air out private conversations ever in public that happens between members and management. Not sure i can say the same as i have seen this morning with 1/8th of the conversation from others in the PM system. LOLThanks for the note, Guy.
Kurt
Bill,That is probably correct, and that is why you have a dealer network. Rep calls dealer and says "How would you like to make a quick sale?", dealer calls you and says the rep sent him, everyone is happy.
Regarding Thierry leaving, honestly I think that was a good idea. I have spent the vast majority of my career in public relations and the last couple years focused on building brands through conversational media. When you reach the point of defending your company in such a way that you diminish an already fragile brand, doing nothing is an improvement. I have nothing at all against Sinar or Thierry, but his online demeanor on this and other forums has left a bitter taste in my mouth for Sinar. If I have a choice of working with him or one of the people from Capture Integration, the choice is easy regardless of the product. That said, the Sinar e54 is still very attractive to me.
Marc,IMO, there are times when the chemistry just isn't right.
Guy and Jack have set up a good photographer's forum for the exchange of information and experiences ... that needs to remain open and candid about those experiences.
If there is mis-information, then counter it in a non-personal manner with better information ... clean and simple.
Frankly, I do not need PMs sent to me from any rep trying to forward some personal agenda regardless of Brand. When I want that, I'll ask for it.
I do enjoy multiple points of view from all the makers concerning their brands ... so if it isn't one Sinar representitive then get another one to contribute ... if the service network is so good, that shouldn't be a problem ... right?
I concur with Bill.That is probably correct, and that is why you have a dealer network. Rep calls dealer and says "How would you like to make a quick sale?", dealer calls you and says the rep sent him, everyone is happy.
Regarding Thierry leaving, honestly I think that was a good idea. I have spent the vast majority of my career in public relations and the last couple years focused on building brands through conversational media. When you reach the point of defending your company in such a way that you diminish an already fragile brand, doing nothing is an improvement. I have nothing at all against Sinar or Thierry, but his online demeanor on this and other forums has left a bitter taste in my mouth for Sinar. If I have a choice of working with him or one of the people from Capture Integration, the choice is easy regardless of the product. That said, the Sinar e54 is still very attractive to me.
Guy, which buttons do you mean, the settings on the left, or the ones on the grip.
I also understood that there was something about the system which was difficult to understand, not just loose buttons?
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Guy, I understand that you and Thierry got off on the wrong foot, but as a photographer I value both sides of the equation, and I would hope that there was some way to solve this. I know that you (*cough* FM *cough* LL) get very upset, the latin blood in you, but the other side of the equation would be the forgiveness part, and I don't think that Thierry was ever trying to make you look bad, just trying to defend the Sinar system in a way that others could understand exactly the limitations of the system, and consider it on a personal level, rather than just the "I hate it" vs. "it is perfect" kinda threads (exaggerating both sides here).
Anyway, like LL, it is nice to see more representatives here. One disadvantage Thierry has over others is that he (informally) represents the company, but a lot of the criticism has to do with the American branch/distributor, which is really not something he can change.
The equipment itself is clearly not beyond criticism, but I think that a good discussion about the pros and cons should be allowed. The history between you (Guy) and Thierry really should take the back seat, and the facts should get out. Both sides of the discussion should be considered by potential customers, and anyway, maybe Sinar will listen to your critique and stiffen up the detents a bit.
All IMO.
Excellent point Marc!so if it isn't one Sinar representitive then get another one to contribute ... if the service network is so good, that shouldn't be a problem ... right?
Jack, is there some way to do it that leaves Thierry's previous posts intact? I have been reading some older threads, and some are completely disjointed now, and the page numbering is off...You bet Don! As far as I'm concerned, it's in bed as soon as somebody asks me to deactivate their account.
They ask, I deliver, story over.