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    New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    I am new to the GetDPI forums and I am seriously considering a medium format system. I have already checked out the Phase One XF and IQ350 backs, having received an email a few days about with the stellar deal on the Hasselblad H5D 50c WiFi, I was wondering if the more enlightened readers on this forum had any thoughts about these systems?

    I realize that by asking about Phase One vs. Hasselblad I am kind of asking for it. I know both systems are excellent. If money were no object then I think the Phase One system is slightly superior - but not having used either for an extended period of time I thought I would ask here....thanks for any insight. I will be trying them both out before making a decision.

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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    if the money isn't the object, try to rent both system for a while - this would be the best way in my opinion. This is serious purchase.

    btw, my few thoughts

    - H5D 50c have great price..,
    - both system have stellar lenses,
    - XF and H5, both are great
    - phase one company is less user friendly (business at first), but dealers do best they can

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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    Bias warning: I work at Digital Transitions, the 2015 Phase One Support Dealer of the Year. We don't sell Hassy so must be considered biased; though I do my best to provide solid advice regardless.

    From your post I understand you've played hands-on with an IQ350+XF kit?

    Have you had the chance to work with the H5D-50c WiFi hands-on as well?

    Can you tell us a bit about what you do (what subject matter you shoot, what style you use, what you like about your current camera and what you don't like about your current camera)? Do you shoot tethered or untethered? People? Places? Things? Do you have any interest in a technical camera? Do you use strobes; if so what brand? etc etc

    The more you tell us about you the more the advice you'll receive will be specific to your needs.

    Ultimately the best option is to play with both systems and see which one suits your fancy and needs the best. There is a LOT you don't get from the spec sheet and price.
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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by michaelclark View Post
    I am new to the GetDPI forums and I am seriously considering a medium format system. I have already checked out the Phase One XF and IQ350 backs, having received an email a few days about with the stellar deal on the Hasselblad H5D 50c WiFi, I was wondering if the more enlightened readers on this forum had any thoughts about these systems?

    I realize that by asking about Phase One vs. Hasselblad I am kind of asking for it. I know both systems are excellent. If money were no object then I think the Phase One system is slightly superior - but not having used either for an extended period of time I thought I would ask here....thanks for any insight. I will be trying them both out before making a decision.
    If you are not planning on a tech cam right away the Hasselblad H5D 50c is an excellent system, especially at the current price as in order to get into a similar phase one system brand new you will spend more, but it depends on what you are planning on using the system for, and what your budget is.

    I have shot both Hassy and Phase and I ended up going with Phase at the time as it was easier to use the Phase back on a tech cam, which is what I primarily ended up shooting the back on to begin with. The focus mask is a HUGE plus (can't emphasize the HUGE enough in that regard). I used the phase back on an H2F at the time as I really didn't care for the Phase DF, but I know that significant improvements went into the XF so I would look at that.

    Best thing to do is make a checklist of what exactly you are looking to do with the system, and then go and try the two systems. You can rent a Hassy system and if you are in NYC then DT can help you with the Phase system. If you are in the Atlanta area or Los Angeles, then CI can do the same. I have worked with both DT and CI and they are both excellent with regards to customer support and answering any questions you may have. After checking out both and seeing which one fits your needs better, then make your decision as it is like buying a new car (and probably more when you start to buy a stable of lenses and other gear), but it should provide a ton of enjoyment and excellent images.

    Good luck
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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    Doug -

    Hello. Thank you both for your replies. I have shot with the XF and the IQ350 just this week. The XF is very impressive. I will be testing out the H5D-50c here this next week hopefully, which will obviously help make an assessment. And I have already contacted Michelle at Digital Transitions. She has been very helpful.

    I am an adventure sports photographer. Hence, I am one of those guys hanging off huge cliffs, swimming in big waves and the like. For the real action my DSLRs will be the go to cameras as I realize medium format AF is not up to the task. But for slower moving sports, portraits, landscapes and lifestyle images I would turn to the MF rig.

    I shoot with Elinchrom strobes and won't be switching to any other brand as they can do things other strobes can't (Hi-Sync for example up to 1/8000th sec. with the new Elinchrom Skyport Plus HS) - plus they are a big sponsor of mine.

    I did not find a transmitter that could sync my Elinchrom Ranger or ELB400 strobes with the XF reliably up to 1/1600th sec when I tried it out. If you know of any triggers that will work there that would be great to know. I did not test out my Skyport triggers or my PocketWizard Plus II triggers so I would still need to do more testing.

    My Nikons (D4 and D810) have served me very well as can be seen on my website (www.michaelclarkphoto.com) but I am looking to take things to the next level for portraits and even the action images in terms of image quality.

    The Phase One XF is great but at $14.5K for the same sensor on an H5D 50c WiFi I have to take a look at that camera - that is one hell of a deal these days.

    Thanks for any thoughts or ideas.

    P.S. - Anyone know if the AF on the H5D is as good or better than the Phase One XF? I will find this out soon enough I guess but just thought I'd ask.

    Cheers, Michael


    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    Bias warning: I work at Digital Transitions, the 2015 Phase One Support Dealer of the Year. We don't sell Hassy so must be considered biased; though I do my best to provide solid advice regardless.

    From your post I understand you've played hands-on with an IQ350+XF kit?

    Have you had the chance to work with the H5D-50c WiFi hands-on as well?

    Can you tell us a bit about what you do (what subject matter you shoot, what style you use, what you like about your current camera and what you don't like about your current camera)? Do you shoot tethered or untethered? People? Places? Things? Do you have any interest in a technical camera? Do you use strobes; if so what brand? etc etc

    The more you tell us about you the more the advice you'll receive will be specific to your needs.

    Ultimately the best option is to play with both systems and see which one suits your fancy and needs the best. There is a LOT you don't get from the spec sheet and price.

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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by michaelclark View Post
    I am new to the GetDPI forums and I am seriously considering a medium format system...
    Other than agree with Doug on the questions he asked, I find it hard to believe that one that enters MF (as is concluded the quoted phrase), is going to do so at that level, based on other peoples opinion who have chosen their equipment depending on their own needs...

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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    Thanks Brian. A tech camera is probably never going to be in my future as I shoot a lot of action. I will be testing them out and DT has been helpful!

    The focus mask was very cool - and the XF is definitely much newer technology.


    Cheers, Michael

    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan Stephens View Post
    If you are not planning on a tech cam right away the Hasselblad H5D 50c is an excellent system, especially at the current price as in order to get into a similar phase one system brand new you will spend more, but it depends on what you are planning on using the system for, and what your budget is.

    I have shot both Hassy and Phase and I ended up going with Phase at the time as it was easier to use the Phase back on a tech cam, which is what I primarily ended up shooting the back on to begin with. The focus mask is a HUGE plus (can't emphasize the HUGE enough in that regard). I used the phase back on an H2F at the time as I really didn't care for the Phase DF, but I know that significant improvements went into the XF so I would look at that.

    Best thing to do is make a checklist of what exactly you are looking to do with the system, and then go and try the two systems. You can rent a Hassy system and if you are in NYC then DT can help you with the Phase system. If you are in the Atlanta area or Los Angeles, then CI can do the same. I have worked with both DT and CI and they are both excellent with regards to customer support and answering any questions you may have. After checking out both and seeing which one fits your needs better, then make your decision as it is like buying a new car (and probably more when you start to buy a stable of lenses and other gear), but it should provide a ton of enjoyment and excellent images.

    Good luck
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    I definitely won't be buying any MF system without testing them out thoroughly first. I just thought I'd gather some opinions here while in the midst of testing...

    Quote Originally Posted by T.Dascalos View Post
    Other than agree with Doug on the questions he asked, I find it hard to believe that one that enters MF (as is concluded the quoted phrase), is going to do so at that level, based on other peoples opinion who have chosen their equipment depending on their own needs...

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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    If a tech camera is not in your intentions and also shoot "action" as you say... Shouldn't Pentax 645 or Leica S007 also be considered? ....why are the detachable back cameras only in the question?

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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    The Pentax 645 seems plastic and not on part with the Hassey or the Phase One. Better lenses as well. Plus it would be great to be able to change the back out some day...and well, the Leica doesn't have many lenses to choose from so there are some limitations there and only 37 MP. I am looking for a higher MP digital back.

    Quote Originally Posted by T.Dascalos View Post
    If a tech camera is not in your intentions and also shoot "action" as you say... Shouldn't Pentax 645 or Leica S007 also be considered? ....why are the detachable back cameras only in the question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelclark View Post
    The Pentax 645 seems plastic and not on part with the Hassey or the Phase One. Better lenses as well. Plus it would be great to be able to change the back out some day...and well, the Leica doesn't have many lenses to choose from so there are some limitations there and only 37 MP. I am looking for a higher MP digital back.
    Strange... I thought that Leica has the largest lens range out of all since it includes all Hasselblad lenses too and their own and of Contax 645 with full dedication... and again... more Mp count (resolution is different to Mp count) than 37 for action? ...Why?

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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by michaelclark View Post
    Doug -

    Hello. Thank you both for your replies. I have shot with the XF and the IQ350 just this week. The XF is very impressive. I will be testing out the H5D-50c here this next week hopefully, which will obviously help make an assessment. And I have already contacted Michelle at Digital Transitions. She has been very helpful.

    I am an adventure sports photographer. Hence, I am one of those guys hanging off huge cliffs, swimming in big waves and the like. For the real action my DSLRs will be the go to cameras as I realize medium format AF is not up to the task. But for slower moving sports, portraits, landscapes and lifestyle images I would turn to the MF rig.

    I shoot with Elinchrom strobes and won't be switching to any other brand as they can do things other strobes can't (Hi-Sync for example up to 1/8000th sec. with the new Elinchrom Skyport Plus HS) - plus they are a big sponsor of mine.

    I did not find a transmitter that could sync my Elinchrom Ranger or ELB400 strobes with the XF reliably up to 1/1600th sec when I tried it out. If you know of any triggers that will work there that would be great to know. I did not test out my Skyport triggers or my PocketWizard Plus II triggers so I would still need to do more testing.

    My Nikons (D4 and D810) have served me very well as can be seen on my website (www.michaelclarkphoto.com) but I am looking to take things to the next level for portraits and even the action images in terms of image quality.

    The Phase One XF is great but at $14.5K for the same sensor on an H5D 50c WiFi I have to take a look at that camera - that is one hell of a deal these days.

    Thanks for any thoughts or ideas.

    P.S. - Anyone know if the AF on the H5D is as good or better than the Phase One XF? I will find this out soon enough I guess but just thought I'd ask.

    Cheers, Michael
    Regarding your sync question, below are 2 links from Capture Integration that I found extremely helpful;



    https://captureintegration.com/defin...gh-speed-sync/

    https://captureintegration.com/flash...gering-method/

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    Thanks for the tip on Leica - I wasn't aware of the range of lenses.....I will have to check that out as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by T.Dascalos View Post
    Strange... I thought that Leica has the largest lens range out of all since it includes all Hasselblad lenses too and their own and of Contax 645 with full dedication... and again... more Mp count (resolution is different to Mp count) than 37 for action? ...Why?

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    Leica is much faster than either Hassy or P1 and additionally one can have faster lenses with it for action if he considers the Contax 45/2.8, 80/2.0 & 140/2.8 additionally to Leica's own 100/2.0... But then again, why use MF for action at all? I don't think that MF makers have action shooters considered within their target group of customers... and as Doug said, one can't advise you out of his experience if his use is different than yours... In fact, I don't know anybody using MF for ...action! Won't you miss fast teles by choosing MF for action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.Dascalos View Post
    ... In fact, I don't know anybody using MF for ...action! Won't you miss fast teles by choosing MF for action?
    FWIW, there's a whole group of people photographing skateboarders with MF (film):
    https://www.flickr.com/groups/[email protected]/

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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan Stephens View Post

    Best thing to do is make a checklist of what exactly you are looking to do with the system, and then go and try the two systems. You can rent a Hassy system and if you are in NYC then DT can help you with the Phase system. If you are in the Atlanta area or Los Angeles, then CI can do the same. I have worked with both DT and CI and they are both excellent with regards to customer support and answering any questions you may have. After checking out both and seeing which one fits your needs better, then make your decision as it is like buying a new car (and probably more when you start to buy a stable of lenses and other gear), but it should provide a ton of enjoyment and excellent images.

    Good luck
    Thanks Bryan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by richardman View Post
    FWIW, there's a whole group of people photographing skateboarders with MF (film):
    https://www.flickr.com/groups/[email protected]/
    Thanks for the link... loved some of the B&W ones... I think some are made with P6 & Arsat 30mm f3.5?

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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    something to consider is that phase raw files can (and should) be processed with capture one, Blad's cannot and require Phocus.

    i use both and much prefer C1

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelclark View Post
    I am new to the GetDPI forums and I am seriously considering a medium format system. I have already checked out the Phase One XF and IQ350 backs, having received an email a few days about with the stellar deal on the Hasselblad H5D 50c WiFi, I was wondering if the more enlightened readers on this forum had any thoughts about these systems?
    Either system is stellar, the systems are roughly equivalent. The differences are mainly ergonomic (especially for the tethering software: Capture 1 versus Focus/Lightroom) and the rendering of the lenses.

    This being said, I had a look at your web site and I am a bit puzzled as to why you would buy an IQ350 or H5D50c. The only reason would be to feed your Epson 9880, but do you print large often enough? If you do, then the better MF lenses will show on 44" prints, but a larger sensor would be even better (and cheaper).

    For the rest: Elinchrom high-speed flashes are not designed for a central shutter (you'll need flashes with short duration for this kind of shutter) and MF cameras are not better than 24x36 DSLRs for action shots. What do you have in mind with your future MF camera?

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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    Evening

    There are lots of shots in the OP's galleries that would be suitable for MF, not just the action stuff there are lots of portraits and things.

    As has been mentioned, I would very much suggest that you give the Leica S a try alongside the Hassy and Phase, it is pretty much the perfect combination of size and image quality, especially if you're out in the wilds as it is very well weather sealed. Worth a look anyway, I can definitely recommend it as I use it in lots of adverse conditions.

    I did lots of tests with all 3 and the Pentax too, if you're not using a tech cam then I think the db route is less necessary when the Leica and Pentax both have such good image quality. The Pentax didn't work for me personally but a lot love it so worth a look too.

    Enjoy your journey, no doubt whatever you chose will give you a smile whenever you look at the files.

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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    For the heavy duty action I will be using DSLRs as I have done for a long time. I have shot some action with MF and it can be done using Hyperlocal distances. Rock Climbing and Ice Climbing in general have action but not fast motion so that is a great application for MF. I also shoot portraits and lifestyle images for the outdoor industry and that would be the bulk of the work I would shoot with MF Digital gear.

    Quote Originally Posted by T.Dascalos View Post
    Leica is much faster than either Hassy or P1 and additionally one can have faster lenses with it for action if he considers the Contax 45/2.8, 80/2.0 & 140/2.8 additionally to Leica's own 100/2.0... But then again, why use MF for action at all? I don't think that MF makers have action shooters considered within their target group of customers... and as Doug said, one can't advise you out of his experience if his use is different than yours... In fact, I don't know anybody using MF for ...action! Won't you miss fast teles by choosing MF for action?
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    Can you work up Hasselblad images in Lightroom?

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    something to consider is that phase raw files can (and should) be processed with capture one, Blad's cannot and require Phocus.

    i use both and much prefer C1

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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    I believe you can work on blad Raws in Lightroom
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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    Jerome -

    Elinchrom strobes have some very short flash durations particularly at full power when compared to Profot and Broncolor. They will work just fine - it is just a matter of finding a transceiver to trigger them as with any other brand of strobe with Leaf Shutter lenses. Most sports photographers shoot with Elinchrom strobes because they have some of the fastest flash durations at full power of any brand out there. To be clear here, I suppose most folks haven't read the beginning of this thread, the MF gear would not be for high action but for other scenarios where the subject wasn't moving really fast and also for Portraits and Action.

    Check out Tim Kemple's work - he is Phase One's major photographer these days and he shoots tons of action with his Phase One MF setup:

    http://www.kemplemedia.com/commercial/phase-one/1

    It can certainly be done using Hyperlocal distance focusing techniques.

    For most of my action spots photography I will certainly be using my Nikons but for other stuff that is why I am looking at the Hasselblad and Phase One offerings.

    Cheers, Michael

    Quote Originally Posted by jerome_m View Post
    Either system is stellar, the systems are roughly equivalent. The differences are mainly ergonomic (especially for the tethering software: Capture 1 versus Focus/Lightroom) and the rendering of the lenses.

    This being said, I had a look at your web site and I am a bit puzzled as to why you would buy an IQ350 or H5D50c. The only reason would be to feed your Epson 9880, but do you print large often enough? If you do, then the better MF lenses will show on 44" prints, but a larger sensor would be even better (and cheaper).

    For the rest: Elinchrom high-speed flashes are not designed for a central shutter (you'll need flashes with short duration for this kind of shutter) and MF cameras are not better than 24x36 DSLRs for action shots. What do you have in mind with your future MF camera?

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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    I believe you can work on blad Raws in Lightroom
    Both Hassy and Phase Raws can be opened in generic raw processors like LightRoom.

    But it is pretty universally (90%+) recognized among users of both brands that the best results are had by using the coupled raw processor (Phocus for Hassy and C1 for Phase). Not a big surprise given the programmers for those have the best access to the cameras, technical info, and are financially and personally motivated to make sure their processing is fine tuned for their respective cameras, whereas for generic processors like LightRoom they are just one of hundreds of cameras on more-or-less equal footing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelclark View Post
    Jerome -

    Elinchrom strobes have some very short flash durations particularly at full power when compared to Profot and Broncolor. They will work just fine - it is just a matter of finding a transceiver to trigger them as with any other brand of strobe with Leaf Shutter lenses. Most sports photographers shoot with Elinchrom strobes because they have some of the fastest flash durations at full power of any brand out there.
    I did not know these lights had a short duration modus. I saw that they could be used for so-called "hypersync" and that normally implies long durations.


    Check out Tim Kemple's work - he is Phase One's major photographer these days and he shoots tons of action with his Phase One MF setup:

    http://www.kemplemedia.com/commercial/phase-one/1

    It can certainly be done using Hyperlocal distance focusing techniques.
    On can certainly shoot action with a MF camera, but what would the benefits be for you? Some photographers use MF for huge prints, that may be a reason. Others, like Tim Kemple apparently, have a MF brand as sponsor. A third reason could be the flash capabilities of a central shutter, some unique action pictures were made in that way. Does any of this applies to you?

    Something else: I see many pictures taken with a wide-angle on your site. That is a specific advantage of Hasselblad: they have a 24mm while Phase stops at 28mm. That may be important, especially with the CMOS sensor, which is a x1.3 crop.

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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    Michael, obviously, there are pros and cons with any MFD choice.

    For your stated purposes, any of them will do the job. Most of my experience has been with Hasselblad H and Leica S, so I will speak mostly to those experiences.

    Software: Hasselblad and Leica have supplied all their proprietary profile data and DAC Lens Corrections to Adobe for inclusion in Adobe Camera RAW-LR Develop Module. Leica directly shoots DNG files and doesn't have their own RAW software. Hasselblad's Phocus is more sophisticated than would seem indicated on some forums, and is better for some types of critical color work and for tethered operation ... but in general LightRoom is quite good IF you already use it, know it, (especially if you use PS/Nik/Other Plug-Ins in tandem with it). When I have shot with either Hasselblad H or Leica S, it often was in tandem with a 35mm DSLR for more active images requiring that sort of AF performance. I sometimes process images from up to 4 different cameras in LR in order to maintain consistency, and keep all images from a job together in one LR Library and sorted by time shot.

    Strobe work: Leica S, Hasselblad H and Phase One offer Leaf-Shutter solutions to better control bright ambient light in balance with strobe lights. Hasselblad H does up to 1/800, Leica does up to 1/1000, and Phase One up to 1/1600 (with the correct Profoto configuration). For the less active type work associated with MFD, action freezing flash duration is of less importance compared to full strobe output at a higher shutter speed (as long as that flash duration doesn't fall below the shutter speed in use). It is this sync speed that helps differentiate these systems from focal plane based cameras that tend to max out sync speeds at 1/250 or slower (1/125 for most focal plane Medium Format cameras). Phase One and Leica S also offer dual shutter capability so you can use their Focal Plane shutters up to 1/4000 in order to shoot fast apertures in brighter situations. Hasselblad is strictly a Leaf-Shutter camera with a max shutter speed of 1/800.

    I believe you can remote trigger at these higher sync speeds with any strobe system by adding a Profoto AIR receiver to the Pack/Mono-Lights, or simply hard wire to a pack.

    Auto Focus: For the type of work you indicated, Hasselblad has True Focus APL which his nothing short of amazing. It allows you to place focus on the subject, lock on TF, then reposition that subject anywhere in the frame
    and the camera micro adjusts based on that movement to maintain critical subject focus. TF also micro adjusts if you alter aperture settings to account for any focus shift that may occur. The CMOS based Leica S(007) has added a read-out that allows you to see current DOF so you can employ hyper-focal-distance techniques. None of these MFD AF systems are as fast as even a mid-level 35mm DSLR.

    Lenses: Hasselblad offers 24mm to 300mm and can employ older Zeiss Leaf-Shutter V lenses using a somewhat clunky adapter. The HC and HCD optics have been improved over time and the newer HC-50mm plays second fiddle to no one. Leica S offers 24mm to 180mm, and sells adapters for Hasselblad H and Zeiss Contax 645 optics while maintaining all electronic connections including full AF ability. The S can also take all Zeiss V lenses, Pentax 6X7 (and others I believe), but these are dumb adapters. I don't know what P1 offers in this regard.

    Resolution: if comparing 40 to 50 meg capture, the resolution differences are splitting hairs IMO. For me it came down to how the lenses rendered with any given system ... I tended to favor Leica's look and feel, but that is pure subjectivity. Leica S optics were newly developed in tandem with the S camera, and where designed from the ground up so they are ALL very consistent one to the another.

    Hope this helps a little,

    - Marc
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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    Thanks - Great info Marc!

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Michael, obviously, there are pros and cons with any MFD choice.

    For your stated purposes, any of them will do the job. Most of my experience has been with Hasselblad H and Leica S, so I will speak mostly to those experiences.

    Software: Hasselblad and Leica have supplied all their proprietary profile data and DAC Lens Corrections to Adobe for inclusion in Adobe Camera RAW-LR Develop Module. Leica directly shoots DNG files and doesn't have their own RAW software. Hasselblad's Phocus is more sophisticated than would seem indicated on some forums, and is better for some types of critical color work and for tethered operation ... but in general LightRoom is quite good IF you already use it, know it, (especially if you use PS/Nik/Other Plug-Ins in tandem with it). When I have shot with either Hasselblad H or Leica S, it often was in tandem with a 35mm DSLR for more active images requiring that sort of AF performance. I sometimes process images from up to 4 different cameras in LR in order to maintain consistency, and keep all images from a job together in one LR Library and sorted by time shot.

    Strobe work: Leica S, Hasselblad H and Phase One offer Leaf-Shutter solutions to better control bright ambient light in balance with strobe lights. Hasselblad H does up to 1/800, Leica does up to 1/1000, and Phase One up to 1/1600 (with the correct Profoto configuration). For the less active type work associated with MFD, action freezing flash duration is of less importance compared to full strobe output at a higher shutter speed (as long as that flash duration doesn't fall below the shutter speed in use). It is this sync speed that helps differentiate these systems from focal plane based cameras that tend to max out sync speeds at 1/250 or slower (1/125 for most focal plane Medium Format cameras). Phase One and Leica S also offer dual shutter capability so you can use their Focal Plane shutters up to 1/4000 in order to shoot fast apertures in brighter situations. Hasselblad is strictly a Leaf-Shutter camera with a max shutter speed of 1/800.

    I believe you can remote trigger at these higher sync speeds with any strobe system by adding a Profoto AIR receiver to the Pack/Mono-Lights, or simply hard wire to a pack.

    Auto Focus: For the type of work you indicated, Hasselblad has True Focus APL which his nothing short of amazing. It allows you to place focus on the subject, lock on TF, then reposition that subject anywhere in the frame
    and the camera micro adjusts based on that movement to maintain critical subject focus. TF also micro adjusts if you alter aperture settings to account for any focus shift that may occur. The CMOS based Leica S(007) has added a read-out that allows you to see current DOF so you can employ hyper-focal-distance techniques. None of these MFD AF systems are as fast as even a mid-level 35mm DSLR.

    Lenses: Hasselblad offers 24mm to 300mm and can employ older Zeiss Leaf-Shutter V lenses using a somewhat clunky adapter. The HC and HCD optics have been improved over time and the newer HC-50mm plays second fiddle to no one. Leica S offers 24mm to 180mm, and sells adapters for Hasselblad H and Zeiss Contax 645 optics while maintaining all electronic connections including full AF ability. The S can also take all Zeiss V lenses, Pentax 6X7 (and others I believe), but these are dumb adapters. I don't know what P1 offers in this regard.

    Resolution: if comparing 40 to 50 meg capture, the resolution differences are splitting hairs IMO. For me it came down to how the lenses rendered with any given system ... I tended to favor Leica's look and feel, but that is pure subjectivity. Leica S optics were newly developed in tandem with the S camera, and where designed from the ground up so they are ALL very consistent one to the another.

    Hope this helps a little,

    - Marc

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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by michaelclark View Post
    I am new to the GetDPI forums and I am seriously considering a medium format system. I have already checked out the Phase One XF and IQ350 backs, having received an email a few days about with the stellar deal on the Hasselblad H5D 50c WiFi, I was wondering if the more enlightened readers on this forum had any thoughts about these systems?

    I realize that by asking about Phase One vs. Hasselblad I am kind of asking for it. I know both systems are excellent. If money were no object then I think the Phase One system is slightly superior - but not having used either for an extended period of time I thought I would ask here....thanks for any insight. I will be trying them both out before making a decision.
    I prefer the PhaseOne IQ backs mainly due to the screen (and UI) and the software. Capture One is just too good. I use my IQ back on a Hasselblad H body though. (Although I got my gear years before the XF was announced)

    Phase backs are tough and IMHO one of the best things ever designed and produced regardless of industry.

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    Re: New to MF: Thoughts on Hassey vs. Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by michaelclark View Post
    For the heavy duty action I will be using DSLRs as I have done for a long time. I have shot some action with MF and it can be done using Hyperlocal distances. Rock Climbing and Ice Climbing in general have action but not fast motion so that is a great application for MF. I also shoot portraits and lifestyle images for the outdoor industry and that would be the bulk of the work I would shoot with MF Digital gear.



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    Can you work up Hasselblad images in Lightroom?
    I use Lightroom with my H5D50c images frequently. Lightroom has lens corrections for HC and HCD lenses and supports 3FR raw files. However, Lightroom does not provide corrections for HTS (tilt/shift), converters and extension rings.

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