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    Backpack help please

    I am looking for an approx 40-50L backpack. I currently have the F-Stop Tilopa set up with large ICU, tech camara, 3 lenses and the usual stuff, with a total weight of about 32lbs. I like the setup, but the straps seem to cut into my shoulders and the waistband does not support the weight as well as I would like. This is not a problem on shorter hikes, but on longer hikes begins to get uncomfortable. Does anyone have a recommendation on an alternative?
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    Re: Backpack help please

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Haag View Post
    I am looking for an approx 40-50L backpack. I currently have the F-Stop Tilopa set up with large ICU, tech camara, 3 lenses and the usual stuff, with a total weight of about 32lbs. I like the setup, but the straps seem to cut into my shoulders and the waistband does not support the weight as well as I would like. This is not a problem on shorter hikes, but on longer hikes begins to get uncomfortable. Does anyone have a recommendation on an alternative?
    Thanks in advance,
    Greg
    Greg,

    Inevitably, I've joined the Atlas Fan Club™. The heavy waist belt, in particular, is the most comfortable I have ever used. I'm one of those people with no useful waist or hips to hold up a backpack, so it takes a good belt, indeed, to find my hipbones.

    The Athlete is on the small size for camera gear, unless one puts an ICU in the top compartment to extend its lens/body capacity. A plus is that all the weight stays very close to your back. It is expandable for clothes and food. The Adventure is a bigger and heavier pack that is too heavy for me if I load it with more than the Athlete can hold. It is, also, superb. The three Atlas waist belts are all interchangeable - Heavy, Medium (useless for me), and the unpadded Travel (taking a pack with a heavy duty belt through a plane or train aisle can be an interesting exercise in eliciting hostility. )

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    Re: Backpack help please

    Consider the packs by Atlas.

    https://atlaspacks.com/products/atla...ABEgIgHPD_BwE#

    A bit strange on design. But straps and waist band are as good as I have seen. Much more like a traditional backpack from Dana designs or similar.

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    G'day Greg, backpacks are a pain...indeed bags are. My wife calls me "The Bag Lady" because of my predilection to buy and discard bags.

    Having said that I've recently sold an F-Stop Ajna that had sat unused for months because it was so useless to get into and not much good to carry. I replaced it with an Ortlieb Atrack which I carried for 32 days straight in Japan recently and loved. It's 100% waterproof, fits well and access to ICUs is perfect - open a single zip on the side closest to your back and you have complete access. I have the 25 litre but they come in 25, 35 and 45 litre I believe. I use the Small Pro ICU which is enough for the Fuji 50R and the two zooms. I'm about to move my Alpa out of its Large Pro ICU into a Small Pro which it will fit into OK. I think the 25 litre will hold 2 Small Pros and the larger ones obviously more.

    There is a photography focused review here.

    The backpack looks deceptively simple as does the harness. However it works really well and I like simple. There is also an optional carrying system that attaches to allow you to carry stuff externally - for instance tripod. There are some more instructional and explanatory videos here.

    I'm sold on mine...and thinking of getting another bigger one. I particularly like the ability to adjust the position of the back pads and indeed if you have a shorter than normal back they have an ST version - short torso.

    Backpacks are such personal things but I do think this one is worth searching out and trying on. I use and abuse a range of Ortlieb bags and they are super tough and just keep doing what they should. The bags don't fail and neither do the zips.

    Hope that's useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Haag View Post
    I am looking for an approx 40-50L backpack. I currently have the F-Stop Tilopa set up with large ICU, tech camara, 3 lenses and the usual stuff, with a total weight of about 32lbs. I like the setup, but the straps seem to cut into my shoulders and the waistband does not support the weight as well as I would like. This is not a problem on shorter hikes, but on longer hikes begins to get uncomfortable. Does anyone have a recommendation on an alternative?
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    Greg,

    I also was looking at the Atlas Athlete, with available retro Adventure waist belt for added waist comfort under load. I have the fstop Loka which works "okay" for me, but I also have that svelte figure that Matt brags about , and I also don't have much of a butt to help hang that waist belt under heavier loads. It appears from the provided dimensions that the Athlete is slightly too small for a technical camera, such as my Cambo WRS1600, unless you break it down and lay it flat. I like to keep my Cambo intact when hiking, well supported and packed, to enable quick set up and shooting. I spoke with Andy Lerman (also a member of Dante's Inferno/Purgatory) and he confirmed that the Athlete was too narrow for a technical camera unless I laid the camera body flat. The Adventure model would work but is a bit too big for what I need.

    I have since ordered the Mindshift Backlight from Thinktankphoto. This back has a more generously padded waistbelt and provides needed support. There are three sizes available. My neighbor has the 26L so I was able to try it own and experiment with the Cambo gear. Turned on its side, the Cambo fits in the 26L perfectly and is just big enough to hold my technical camera gear and filters, with ample pockets for food, accessories, etc. The 36L would definitely give more room for gear and probably a better choice for you carrying more gear.

    The Mindshift comes in soon. If all works out, I'll probably sell my Fstop Loka with two small ICUs.

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    Iím also part of the Atlas fan club. I have the Adventure pack and find it perfect for either my Cambo gear or PhaseOne XF gear. When I travel to a photography destination, I put the camera gear in a roller bag (ThinkTank International) and bring that onboard the flight. To date, I havenít tried to carry on the Adventure pack and instead I check it in a suitcase or duffle bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    Greg,

    I also was looking at the Atlas Athlete, with available retro Adventure waist belt for added waist comfort under load. I have the fstop Loka which works "okay" for me, but I also have that svelte figure that Matt brags about , and I also don't have much of a butt to help hang that waist belt under heavier loads. It appears from the provided dimensions that the Athlete is slightly too small for a technical camera, such as my Cambo WRS1600, unless you break it down and lay it flat. I like to keep my Cambo intact when hiking, well supported and packed, to enable quick set up and shooting. I spoke with Andy Lerman (also a member of Dante's Inferno/Purgatory) and he confirmed that the Athlete was too narrow for a technical camera unless I laid the camera body flat. The Adventure model would work but is a bit too big for what I need.

    I have since ordered the Mindshift Backlight from Thinktankphoto. This back has a more generously padded waistbelt and provides needed support. There are three sizes available. My neighbor has the 26L so I was able to try it own and experiment with the Cambo gear. Turned on its side, the Cambo fits in the 26L perfectly and is just big enough to hold my technical camera gear and filters, with ample pockets for food, accessories, etc. The 36L would definitely give more room for gear and probably a better choice for you carrying more gear.

    The Mindshift comes in soon. If all works out, I'll probably sell my Fstop Loka with two small ICUs.

    Ken
    I am another Atlas Athlete fan. If I am traveling by car, it is always my first choice; very comfortable and functional. I can carry excess gear in the car, and keep the Atlas lighter by taking only what I need for the specific trail and trek. When I fly, though, it's not enough.

    For that, I still carry a Shimoda 40, and I swap out the Pelican 1535 yellow foam case between the Pelican and the Shimoda. For the flight, the flattened Shimoda goes in my checked luggage. The Pelican and gear go on board with me. When I get to my destination, I take the foam container out of the Pelican and slip it into the Shimoda instead of using Shimoda ICUs. Doesn't always work perfectly, but for that one time in ten when on a smaller plane or regional carrier, I will take out the mission critical items like the Phase DB and the 40-80 lens, or the Hassy body and lenses, stuff them into my nearly empty PD 20L and let the Pelican get gate-checked and feel pretty confident.

    I confess that I was suckered, er, seduced into crowdfunding the Nomatic backpack kit, and am waiting on its arrival. I have hopes for it, but it may end up being a gift to a family member. We'll see. I have bought and tried to love several ThinkTank products, without success. The Backlight looks decent, so I might give TT another go, and I plan to explore the Ortleib Atrack.
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    If only the Atlas Athlete camera core were about an inch or so bigger than its current 5.25" ----the 6.25" of the Adventure model would be perfect.

    Think tank are better as "day packs" and I too have had limited success with TT. The TT Mindshift series, imho, is something (finally) designed to go off trail. Fingers-crossed that the Mindshift Backlight fills the bill.

    Let us know more about the Nomatic and Ortlieb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    If only the Atlas Athlete camera core were about an inch or so bigger than its current 5.25" ----the 6.25" of the Adventure model would be perfect.

    Think tank are better as "day packs" and I too have had limited success with TT. The TT Mindshift series, imho, is something (finally) designed to go off trail. Fingers-crossed that the Mindshift Backlight fills the bill.

    Let us know more about the Nomatic and Ortlieb.

    ken
    I completely agree about the depth limitation of the Athlete. Almost every lens has to lie on its side (with the pack on the ground), but having a 6"x6" body like the GFX100 means using up a large square chunk of real estate. My solution:



    The GFX100 body is resting in a small f-stop ICU sitting in the main compartment. Of course, if your lenses don't fit in the Athlete depth, then this trick is useless. I find it a great compromise.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    If only the Atlas Athlete camera core were about an inch or so bigger than its current 5.25" ----the 6.25" of the Adventure model would be perfect.

    Think tank are better as "day packs" and I too have had limited success with TT. The TT Mindshift series, imho, is something (finally) designed to go off trail. Fingers-crossed that the Mindshift Backlight fills the bill.

    Let us know more about the Nomatic and Ortlieb.

    ken
    Will do. FWIW, I can get either of the Phase XF + lens kit, or Cambo 1600 with lenses in the Athlete with no difficulty; and yes, I can feel the 1600 in my back, even using something like Matt's "top shelf" trick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drunkenspyder View Post
    Will do. FWIW, I can get either of the Phase XF + lens kit, or Cambo 1600 with lenses in the Athlete with no difficulty; and yes, I can feel the 1600 in my back, even using something like Matt's "top shelf" trick.
    Greg,

    I'd be interested to see a picture of your layout with the Cambo kit.

    At the moment I'm using an f-stop medium slope ICU to hold my Cambo 1250 (laid facing up at the deep end w/IQ attached but no lens - there's a price to be paid space-wise for those sexy wooden grips), 2-3 lenses plus various doo-dads. This fits nicely in the f-stop Guru with just enough space on top to take a Wine Country Camera filter holder plus filters. When I want to take along a few extra lenses (or my little X1D) I move everything over to a Loka and place a small shallow ICU on top that's accessible through the top hatch. I like the size of the pack but find the thin straps to give a less than comfortable fit. The Tilopa (48 liters?) is much better but just too big for most of my outings. It would be nice to find an alternative. However I like the modularity of the f-stop ICUs (and also the ability to pull the ICU out in cases when the pack won't fit in the overhead compartment of a regional jet) so I'd want a pack that would accept these.

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    A few months back I bought an Ortlieb Atrack 25 after reading Pelorous positive comments and photos shared, I also bought the fstop small pro ICU for my XF/IQ360/80 setup. I liked the design of the pack and it sure is dripping in quality and good design, the harness being a standout and super comfy to wear, all the loose straps can be tucked away permanently too making it easy to handle and look good.

    Probly itís only downside is the lack of an external pocket or small compartment of any kind, I recently travelled return to New Zealand from Australia. I found it a bit of a pain when you are in and around airports where quick access to passport/documents/iPad would have been good. Otherwise it ainít that hard to rest it down and unzip for access to the area above the ICU.

    I also spent an afternoon wading/fishing on a river and can confirm its waterproof claims, a few times crossing the river the backpack was submerged, and each time opening up to find complete dryness inside

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    G'day Shaun, That's interesting feedback. In Japan I carry a JR Pass (which you have to show repeatedly at train stations) and a passport and the problem of the external pocket reared its head. I solved it by going to Daiso - the $2 shop - and buying a clear "pencil case" and lanyard. I attached the lanyard to a strap on the Atrack and the pencil case and put the required docs into the pencil case and in turn put that in the water bottle pocket. It worked well. I could just reach for it when I needed it but it was always attached to the pack.

    Generally though the lack of external pockets is both a negative and a positive. It keeps things simple but it does have challenges.


    Quote Originally Posted by ShaunQ View Post
    A few months back I bought an Ortlieb Atrack 25 after reading Pelorous positive comments and photos shared, I also bought the fstop small pro ICU for my XF/IQ360/80 setup. I liked the design of the pack and it sure is dripping in quality and good design, the harness being a standout and super comfy to wear, all the loose straps can be tucked away permanently too making it easy to handle and look good.

    Probly itís only downside is the lack of an external pocket or small compartment of any kind, I recently travelled return to New Zealand from Australia. I found it a bit of a pain when you are in and around airports where quick access to passport/documents/iPad would have been good. Otherwise it ainít that hard to rest it down and unzip for access to the area above the ICU.

    I also spent an afternoon wading/fishing on a river and can confirm its waterproof claims, a few times crossing the river the backpack was submerged, and each time opening up to find complete dryness inside

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    Seriously, some terrific information, but some pics of the gear in the various bags, including ICUís and whatís actually in the bag would be extremely helpful. Mattís post was great ... thinking very seriously about the two bags and seeing how he had to cram the body up at the top might rule it out for me . Also mention bags that might not be carryon compatible.

    We need a perpetual bag thread like the great tripod and head thread. Seriously a bag thread and a tripod/head thread should be pinned to the top of the forum!

    Like most of you I have been in search of the holy grail of camera bags for my entire career (for me weíre talking over 40 years) and have everything from a LowePro that when empty weighs 20 lbs (can I hear useless for that), to a couple that turned out much smaller than I thought and are sitting brand new in the closet.
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    Wayne, I agree on the pictures, so I will dive in here. Based on comments from this thread, I ordered 2 backpacks that seemed to best fit my needs. My comments here are highly subjective and based on how they fit my frame (5'9) and weight (165).

    First of all here is roughly how the 3 compare on weight.
    F-Stop Ajna (not Tilopa as mention earlier) with large ICU approx 5.46lbs
    Atlas Adventure 6.7lbs,
    Thinktank Mindshift Backlight 36L approx 4.9lbs.

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    For Comfort based on how the straps feel on my shoulders and how the waistband fits and takes some of the weight off my shoulders, I would rank them as follows. (This comparison was based on approx 3 mile hike with each with approx 30lbs of weight in the pack.
    1. Atlas Adventure
    2. Thinktank Mindshift Backlight 36L
    3. F-Stop Ajna

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    Here are a few other observations as they relate to my use.

    Atlas Adventure - Carries a ton (I hope to get to some pictures here soon). If I was going on a long hike and needed a place for non-photography related items like clothing layers, this pack would be great. Probably my favorite for handling my Gitzo Series 3 Tripod. My primary problem with the Atlas Adventure is I think it might work better on a longer torso than mine. If you look at the side view (below), it almost curves forward and puts my head/neck in an uncomfortable position.

    Thinktank Mindshift Backlight 36L - Carries a surprising amount for its size. I found it comfortable to wear. The outside walls of the pack are a bit more structured and might provide some added protection for the gear. If you have much non photographic gear such as layers of clothing, you might be more limited here.

    F-Stop Ajna - Really my only complaints on this pack are the straps and the way my tripod fits. I prefer the ICU system for my workflow, the ease in keeping another ICU with a dslr setup that I can easily swap out when needed. It provide some additional storage for a few non photography items. I do not typically carry a laptop to tether these days, but both the Atlas and Thinktank offer better options on this point.

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    My current test is with the Thinktank Mindshift Backlight 36L, I have taken all of the spacers out and put in the F-Stop large ICU. For my workflow I like the ability to switch out ICU's. Here is what that currently looks like.

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    Re: Backpack help please

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Haag View Post

    My primary problem with the Atlas Adventure is I think it might work better on a longer torso than mine. If you look at the side view (below), it almost curves forward and puts my head/neck in an uncomfortable position.
    Greg,

    The Adventure shoulder straps attach behind your neck to a large velcro pad. This can be lowered to shorten the effective torso length (and thus raise the pack). Not sure what this does to your head position. It might get the top of the pack more out of your way.

    The Adventure *is* a monster, and I hope one day to be in the kind of physical shape where I could use it without collapsing.

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    Matt,
    Thank you, I will see if that helps! I cannot begin to carry this pack any distance loaded with gear, I am trying to stay under 35lbs, preferably low 30's. Unfortunately, I am the weakest link in the chain on all these packs.
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    Greg,

    The Adventure shoulder straps attach behind your neck to a large velcro pad. This can be lowered to shorten the effective torso length (and thus raise the pack). Not sure what this does to your head position. It might get the top of the pack more out of your way.

    The Adventure *is* a monster, and I hope one day to be in the kind of physical shape where I could use it without collapsing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Haag View Post
    My current test is with the Thinktank Mindshift Backlight 36L, I have taken all of the spacers out and put in the F-Stop large ICU. For my workflow I like the ability to switch out ICU's. Here is what that currently looks like.
    Greg,

    Thanks for posting this pic! I'll need to try organizing one of my large ICUs with my Cambo w/mounted IQ3100, 4 lenses (40HR, 70HR, 120 ASPH [sorry, Graham ] + spacer, and 250 Superachromat plus adapter), plus doo-dads. If it works out I might get yet another chance to piss off my wife by expanding the backpack collection that's slowly taking over the house.

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    I thought I would update the thread. While I like things about all three bags, I have settled on the Atlas Adventure. In the end, there were 2 deciding factors for me. First, and by far number one, this waist band worked best for me on taking more weight off my shoulders. Second, the added storage, especially for longer winter hikes. I think I have figured out why many people have multiple packs beyond the obvious different packs for different situations. What I discovered, at least for me, it took time/miles with each pack to work thru this. I would not have been able to tell just trying these on in a store or at a trade show. A note here on the Atlas, there is more curvature in the frame and it took some time for me to find a configuration with the straps to get the pack setup so it was not pushing against my head. Here is my current configuration, if anyone can suggest a more efficient layout please let me know.

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    Re: Backpack help please

    Thanks Greg. Especially for the pics. I think Iím going to give the adventure a try.

    I assume the tripod is side mount? Seems most camera makers do tripods on the side (I have some Clikís that are designed to be centered) which I hate because then the bag is off balance and puts more weight on one shoulder.

    Anyone come up with a good method to add a center carry option? I noticed in a few of Art Wolfeís videos his is centered and is even upside down to move the weight lower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Fox View Post
    Thanks Greg. Especially for the pics. I think Iím going to give the adventure a try.

    I assume the tripod is side mount? Seems most camera makers do tripods on the side (I have some Clikís that are designed to be centered) which I hate because then the bag is off balance and puts more weight on one shoulder.

    Anyone come up with a good method to add a center carry option? I noticed in a few of Art Wolfeís videos his is centered and is even upside down to move the weight lower.
    Wayne,
    When I was researching the Atlas Adventure online, I watched a video with someones setup having a center mount tripod. This is also what I would like to do, if I find it this weekend I will post a link..
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    I thought I would update the thread. While I like things about all three bags, I have settled on the Atlas Adventure. In the end, there were 2 deciding factors for me. First, and by far number one, this waist band worked best for me on taking more weight off my shoulders. Second, the added storage, especially for longer winter hikes. I think I have figured out why many people have multiple packs beyond the obvious different packs for different situations. What I discovered, at least for me, it took time/miles with each pack to work thru this. I would not have been able to tell just trying these on in a store or at a trade show. A note here on the Atlas, there is more curvature in the frame and it took some time for me to find a configuration with the straps to get the pack setup so it was not pushing against my head. Here is my current configuration, if anyone can suggest a more efficient layout please let me know.
    Greg,

    Glad that you settled on the right pack in a data-driven way. One comment: you might consider storing your lenses with the front elements facing down, so that you can handle the lenses by the rear mount when removing them from the pack. It seems the common wisdom is that grabbing the lens by the front - especially the 32HR - can cause misalignment of the front element group by distorting the rather flimsy Copal shutter. Shutter replacements at the Cambo factory are quite pricey (in the neighborhood of $2000) and with the scarcity of Copals you'd probably be forced into an aperture-only mount as well. I had a recent scare with my 70HR but luckily it turned out to be "only" a bent t/s mechanism.

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    Greg,

    Glad that you settled on the right pack in a data-driven way. One comment: you might consider storing your lenses with the front elements facing down, so that you can handle the lenses by the rear mount when removing them from the pack. It seems the common wisdom is that grabbing the lens by the front - especially the 32HR - can cause misalignment of the front element group by distorting the rather flimsy Copal shutter. Shutter replacements at the Cambo factory are quite pricey (in the neighborhood of $2000) and with the scarcity of Copals you'd probably be forced into an aperture-only mount as well. I had a recent scare with my 70HR but luckily it turned out to be "only" a bent t/s mechanism.

    John

    I always handle my lenses by the front element - specially the 32HR - itís the huge weight and size of that front element that causes extra stress on the copal shutter, so itís better to support that weight directly with your hands.

    If you are handling the lens by the rear element, all the weight of the front element is then only supported by the copal shutter.

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    Good point. Regardless of face up or face down, it's important to avoid placing any torque on the shutter mount by twisting or canting the lens to remove it from its nest. I'm curious to hear what others think on this subject. I've heard the gamut from "I just toss my lenses in the bag" to "I make sure to do x, y and z..."

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    Matt,
    Thank you, I will see if that helps! I cannot begin to carry this pack any distance loaded with gear, I am trying to stay under 35lbs, preferably low 30's. Unfortunately, I am the weakest link in the chain on all these packs.
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    Ha..... I try to stay below 17lbs which must seem like an impossibility to you. I'm smaller than you and can't imagine 30lbs. Then I'm also not taking any long hikes. My thinktank airport essential is able to store 5 lenses (Schneider 60, 72, 120, 150, Rody 90) a 4150 or 7RM4, Actus and bellows and extra batteries and have lots of room to spare. All of this weighs less than 17.5lbs. It also does not include the tripod which I always hand carry.

    Hope it all works out well for you. Looks like your having lots of fun.....

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    I've always followed the belief that most of the stress on equipment occurs while hiking. Probably well into the 100,000 steps, each one jolting the equipment (especially walking down hill). Therefore, I orient larger lenses vertically in the bag while it is in place on your back. lens cap pointing up or down depending on lens shape and/or whether you use hard lens caps or the original OEM soft cap version (for sk and Rodi). In Greg's photo, that would mean rotating the lenses so they are pointing up, particularly the 32hr and 90hr. I also wrap the necks in a lens cloth so they have some support at the yoke.

    However, I have no evidence to support that it matters either way.

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    I've always followed the belief that most of the stress on equipment occurs while hiking. Probably well into the 100,000 steps, each one jolting the equipment (especially walking down hill). Therefore, I orient larger lenses vertically in the bag while it is in place on your back. lens cap pointing up or down depending on lens shape and/or whether you use hard lens caps or the original OEM soft cap version (for sk and Rodi). In Greg's photo, that would mean rotating the lenses so they are pointing up, particularly the 32hr and 90hr. I also wrap the necks in a lens cloth so they have some support at the yoke.

    However, I have no evidence to support that it matters either way.

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    Dave,
    Thank your for your feedback! A couple follow up questions. First, on the way my lenses are currently packed, are you saying to reverse that? Currently on all my pack, I have all lenses caps (front of lens) facing up. Second, currently I always break the entire system down, do you think it is acceptable to have a back/body/lense assembled in the pack?
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    I warped an SK 35XL into uselessness . I must have been too cavalier about packing it. It was in a large ICU inside a carry-on, the Tilopa being checked baggage.

    The moral is just to be careful (and take the CF off before transport).

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    Ha..... I try to stay below 17lbs which must seem like an impossibility to you. I'm smaller than you and can't imagine 30lbs. Then I'm also not taking any long hikes. My thinktank airport essential is able to store 5 lenses (Schneider 60, 72, 120, 150, Rody 90) a 4150 or 7RM4, Actus and bellows and extra batteries and have lots of room to spare. All of this weighs less than 17.5lbs. It also does not include the tripod which I always hand carry.

    Hope it all works out well for you. Looks like your having lots of fun.....

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    Victor, I may need help reducing the weight or an intervention! I have 2 setup options below, the first being my regular setup w/o any of the extra stuff and the second is about the lightest I can go. The second may not be completely accurate, because that tripod is probably not a good option for my gear. The checkmarks represent the items in each setup.

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    For sure I would try to stay with your lighter setup. I would take the P0 which should work just fine - I'm taking a P0 to Death Valley. Can't imagine you would need all of those batteries as I have never needed more than 3 but it would not be fun to run out of juice.

    Just weighed my Rody 90 in Actus Copal 0 lens plate and it comes in at 1.75lbs. That's another area where I shave some weight which really doesn't pertain to your situation.

    I have more bags than I care to mention and sent back an F stop which I really didn't like. I really like Thinktank and even though I don't have your particular bag I do have the Airport Essential and the Airport commuter which is huge in comparison to the Airport Essential and yet I can get it on any plane and I only pick up about a pound.

    Stay with your lighter setup......

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    Greg, sorry if I am late to the conversation (so I am sorry if the bag question has been finally settled). Personally, I never use photo bags for two reasons: they are heavy and don't carry loads well. I prefer to have my gear in padded inserts and pouches or stuff sacks. I like stuff sack to pack as they a light and protect equipment from dust and rain when the pack is open. My camera stuff sack is also large enough to slip over the camera when it is on the tripod to handle sudden changes in the environment. I also use the stuff sack over camera when it is around my neck (warning, it will not look cool).

    I use an Osprey Farpoint 40, which weighs about 3.5lb. My lenses are in a Think Thank pouch and belt system, which can be pulled out and worn when working. Not sure that would work for tech lenses though:



    But I would also look as technical packs. The Osprey EXOS 38 is just 2.5lb and comes in three sizes. It has a really good support system. (Thomas Heaton just took this pack to Nepal for a trek and was really impressed.) https://www.osprey.com/us/en/product...38S18_569.html (I have the Farpoint for airline travel--it is a great carry-on bag.)

    I would also say yes to the P0 for the tripod head. I have found that to work really well in all kings of condition with heavy loads (Pentax 645D and 300mm lens).

    When working in the Japanese Alps a long time ago, I had my Mamiya 6 on an old Gitzo Totalux travel tripod with an even smaller ball head and it worked well in very windy conditions. But being in the mountains, tripod height is not such a big deal to get a perspective and that Gitzo was short for me. I have just picked up a Traveler 1545t and am very impressed. Since you are using a leaf or electronic shutter, most camera vibration is minimal. Then it is just a case of a few simple things in the field like standing up wind of the tripod to protect it. You certainly have time to test your Gitzo tripod in windy conditions before you leave to see how well it handles your camera.

    I would also ask if all three lenses are needed? I do most of my work with one or two lenses, the third, while nice, tend to be used infrequently and even less when I am tired. Stitched panos are a nice way to save weight at the wide end, but I like having a wide. What I usually drop is the long lens. However, some of my longest and most demanding trips were done with one camera and lens. Another strategy I use is carry one main camera and lens and a second smaller setup for those other shots. I supplimented my Mamiya 6 with a Widelux and my Pentax 645D with a Sony RX-1, for example.

    I think the secret to this type of packing comes through (usually painful) experience. I kind of know what I am actually going to do when I am in the field vs. what I wish I would do. So I am pretty ruthless in my packing. But I also know I am dealing with limited energy and so minimizing weight is really important for me. Another is pacing during the hike. But all of this is very subjective. (Still, from your spread sheets, it looks like you are carrying three 10lb bags of flour. )

    One more secret: a really good pair of hiking boots!
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    Greg, sorry if I am late to the conversation (so I am sorry if the bag question has been finally settled). Personally, I never use photo bags for two reasons: they are heavy and don't carry loads well. I prefer to have my gear in padded inserts and pouches or stuff sacks. I like stuff sack to pack as they a light and protect equipment from dust and rain when the pack is open. My camera stuff sack is also large enough to slip over the camera when it is on the tripod to handle sudden changes in the environment. I also use the stuff sack over camera when it is around my neck (warning, it will not look cool).

    I use an Osprey Farpoint 40, which weighs about 3.5lb. My lenses are in a Think Thank pouch and belt system, which can be pulled out and worn when working. Not sure that would work for tech lenses though:



    But I would also look as technical packs. The Osprey EXOS 38 is just 2.5lb and comes in three sizes. It has a really good support system. (Thomas Heaton just took this pack to Nepal for a trek and was really impressed.) https://www.osprey.com/us/en/product...38S18_569.html (I have the Farpoint for airline travel--it is a great carry-on bag.)

    I would also say yes to the P0 for the tripod head. I have found that to work really well in all kings of condition with heavy loads (Pentax 645D and 300mm lens).

    When working in the Japanese Alps a long time ago, I had my Mamiya 6 on an old Gitzo Totalux travel tripod with an even smaller ball head and it worked well in very windy conditions. But being in the mountains, tripod height is not such a big deal to get a perspective and that Gitzo was short for me. I have just picked up a Traveler 1545t and am very impressed. Since you are using a leaf or electronic shutter, most camera vibration is minimal. Then it is just a case of a few simple things in the field like standing up wind of the tripod to protect it. You certainly have time to test your Gitzo tripod in windy conditions before you leave to see how well it handles your camera.

    I would also ask if all three lenses are needed? I do most of my work with one or two lenses, the third, while nice, tend to be used infrequently and even less when I am tired. Stitched panos are a nice way to save weight at the wide end, but I like having a wide. What I usually drop is the long lens. However, some of my longest and most demanding trips were done with one camera and lens. Another strategy I use is carry one main camera and lens and a second smaller setup for those other shots. I supplimented my Mamiya 6 with a Widelux and my Pentax 645D with a Sony RX-1, for example.

    I think the secret to this type of packing comes through (usually painful) experience. I kind of know what I am actually going to do when I am in the field vs. what I wish I would do. So I am pretty ruthless in my packing. But I also know I am dealing with limited energy and so minimizing weight is really important for me. Another is pacing during the hike. But all of this is very subjective. (Still, from your spread sheets, it looks like you are carrying three 10lb bags of flour. )

    One more secret: a really good pair of hiking boots!
    Will, so many good nuggets of advice! Decision I guess has not been made, I think I will follow yours and Victors guidance and go lighter. I am going to work on that this weekend. Thank you!

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    For sure I would try to stay with your lighter setup. I would take the P0 which should work just fine - I'm taking a P0 to Death Valley. Can't imagine you would need all of those batteries as I have never needed more than 3 but it would not be fun to run out of juice.

    Just weighed my Rody 90 in Actus Copal 0 lens plate and it comes in at 1.75lbs. That's another area where I shave some weight which really doesn't pertain to your situation.

    I have more bags than I care to mention and sent back an F stop which I really didn't like. I really like Thinktank and even though I don't have your particular bag I do have the Airport Essential and the Airport commuter which is huge in comparison to the Airport Essential and yet I can get it on any plane and I only pick up about a pound.

    Stay with your lighter setup......

    Cheers....

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    Victor, great advice! I think between what you and Will had to say, I am going to spend the weekend looking at ways to go lighter. Thank you!

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    Dave,
    Thank your for your feedback! A couple follow up questions. First, on the way my lenses are currently packed, are you saying to reverse that? Currently on all my pack, I have all lenses caps (front of lens) facing up. Second, currently I always break the entire system down, do you think it is acceptable to have a back/body/lense assembled in the pack?
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    Greg, what I mean is facing up toward the sky while walking. So in your picture it would be rotated 90 degrees. When you open the pack on the ground you would see the the side of the lens, not the top or bottom.

    Edit: sorry Greg just read your post again; forgot the second question. I guess it depends on the mounted lens. I wouldn’t mount a 32hr, and the 90 would make me a bit nervous too. I do put my setup away in the pack when assembled, but my lenses are pretty small by choice. I keep the 60xl on the camera when stowed with the back attached. Again, oriented with the back at the bottom of the pack and the lens facing the sky when walking. I will grab some picks and post them later. I’ve changes things around since I posted in previous threads.

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    Late to the party - I use Shimoda bags, the Explore 40 in particular. Shimodas are extremely well built and the most comfortable bags I ever carried, bar none. And, as everyone here, I pretty much tried everything. They just came out with the new Action X bags, of which I ordered 2 (a 50L and a 30L, very likely the 30L will go to my wife). While there is no perfect bag, and while I'd modify something here and there, the new Aciton X fixed most of the little problems I had with the Explore and come very darn close for me - on paper and hopefully, at least, since I am still waiting for delivery

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    Quote Originally Posted by vieri View Post
    Late to the party - I use Shimoda bags, the Explore 40 in particular. Shimodas are extremely well built and the most comfortable bags I ever carried, bar none. And, as everyone here, I pretty much tried everything. They just came out with the new Action X bags, of which I ordered 2 (a 50L and a 30L, very likely the 30L will go to my wife). While there is no perfect bag, and while I'd modify something here and there, the new Aciton X fixed most of the little problems I had with the Explore and come very darn close for me - on paper and hopefully, at least, since I am still waiting for delivery

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    Vieri,
    Thank you for your input, I have heard great things about the comfort of the Shimoda bags. I hope you will share your thoughts when the Action X arrives.
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    I held back from posting my pack and setup because as many of you know, I use a non-photo backpack like Will. My setup is probably not all that relevant for most people. But, since this morphed into how to pack things, here it goes...

    First, I think it makes sense to define the standard pack orientation:
    Front: The part of the pack you see when you are walking behind someone else looking at their pack.
    Back: The part with the suspension that clings to your back.
    Top: The part by your head when you are wearing it.
    Bottom: The part by your butt.

    I use a Mammot Trion Pro 50L. It has a back panel opening like F-Stop and a few other photo backpacks. I really like back panel openings for photography, and would never go back to laying the suspension down in the grass/mud/water/rocks. The pack is designed for ski touring/mountaineering. That's good because it is comfortable, relatively light and designed for lots of movement. That's bad because it means I have to turn it into a photo friendly pack. I've accomplished the photo-specific part with two basic add-ons: The f-stop small-pro ICU, and some goofy little monopod carrying thingy from "Oben". I use it to help hold the tripod in place. Because the pack is designed to carry skis, side straps are plenty beefy to carry a tripod.

    Here is the pack with a ruler for reference. About 2 feet tall.
    Front:

    Back:


    This is what it looks like with the back panel open, nothing removed. Micropuff jacket on top, ICU in the middle, filter case in the bottom.



    As mentioned above, my lenses are pretty small and light so I don't worry about the orientation. However, I do carry the camera mounted together with the sk60xl. Here, the loupe and 17mm adapter are removed. Note how the camera points up toward the top of the pack to minimize stress from each step.



    Here, the camera and sk90mm are removed. Sk35 in the bottom left of the ICU that sits behind the sk90. I use a smorgasbord of dividers from various packs that fit just right to cradle the camera. In fact, I don't I have any f-stop dividers in this ICU; they are a mix of Thinktank and Lowepro, I think.


    Tripod attached, and the little Oben tripod pouch.




    Here are the weights of everything. Left columns would be the heaviest kit I could take. I would never carry all that stuff. Middle column is more "normal" for me. Maybe the bigger tripod, removing some filters, whatever. My normal carry is right around 20-23 lbs including camera gear, tripod, pack, water and other personal gear. The right columns would be the lightest I would normally do; just under 8 lbs of camera equipment, plus another 10 lbs for tripod, pack and personal stuff. Total just under 19 lbs.



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    Edit: The always-attentive jng reminded me I did not include the Zeiss 250 SA. While I don't normally carry it with me, it is there above the ICU sometimes. That adds 3.0 lbs (!) including adapters, hood and lens wrap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dchew View Post
    I held back from posting my pack and setup because as many of you know, I use a non-photo backpack like Will. My setup is probably not all that relevant for most people. But, since this morphed into how to pack things, here it goes...

    First, I think it makes sense to define the standard pack orientation:
    Front: The part of the pack you see when you are walking behind someone else looking at their pack.
    Back: The part with the suspension that clings to your back.
    Top: The part by your head when you are wearing it.
    Bottom: The part by your butt.

    I use a Mammot Trion Pro 50L. It has a back panel opening like F-Stop and a few other photo backpacks. I really like back panel openings for photography, and would never go back to laying the suspension down in the grass/mud/water/rocks. The pack is designed for ski touring/mountaineering. That's good because it is comfortable, relatively light and designed for lots of movement. That's bad because it means I have to turn it into a photo friendly pack. I've accomplished the photo-specific part with two basic add-ons: The f-stop small-pro ICU, and some goofy little monopod carrying thingy from "Oben". I use it to help hold the tripod in place. Because the pack is designed to carry skis, side straps are plenty beefy to carry a tripod.

    Here is the pack with a ruler for reference. About 2 feet tall.
    Front:

    Back:


    This is what it looks like with the back panel open, nothing removed. Micropuff jacket on top, ICU in the middle, filter case in the bottom.



    As mentioned above, my lenses are pretty small and light so I don't worry about the orientation. However, I do carry the camera mounted together with the sk60xl. Here, the loupe and 17mm adapter are removed. Note how the camera points up toward the top of the pack to minimize stress from each step.



    Here, the camera and sk90mm are removed. Sk35 in the bottom left of the ICU that sits behind the sk90. I use a smorgasbord of dividers from various packs that fit just right to cradle the camera. In fact, I don't I have any f-stop dividers in this ICU; they are a mix of Thinktank and Lowepro, I think.


    Tripod attached, and the little Oben tripod pouch.




    Here are the weights of everything. Left columns would be the heaviest kit I could take. I would never carry all that stuff. Middle column is more "normal" for me. Maybe the bigger tripod, removing some filters, whatever. My normal carry is right around 20-23 lbs including camera gear, tripod, pack, water and other personal gear. The right columns would be the lightest I would normally do; just under 8 lbs of camera equipment, plus another 10 lbs for tripod, pack and personal stuff. Total just under 19 lbs.



    Dave

    Dave, as usual incredible information! I am sure that Iím going to have some questions after I get time to process and think this through. Thank you so much!

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    I agree with Dave about the front, back, and top loading designs. That is an important choice with some real advantages with the back loader. But that was one compromise I made for an airline carry-on design with the Farpoint 40--but it does have a panel to hide the straps which can be useful in the field to an extent.

    One other point about using inserts is protection against the weather. In the Japanese Alps, you are almost guaranteed to be walking through driving rain for several hours every day. Under those conditions, even with a rain cover on your pack, the contents will get wet/damp. I have a garbage bag around my inserts so when it does start to rain, I can simply open the pack and close the bag around the inserts, giving them a waterproof membrane to protect them.
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    I'm struggling using Flickr to host these for the first time...how do I get a decent URL out of flickr to place reasonable size images here

    Channelling Dave's very informative post above albeit without the weight tables. I agree with Shashin about the need for back opening. I just cannot abide the frustrating F-Stop access system. I find the zips difficult and then access to the ICU is difficult if you haven't already opened the top. I end up worrying about damaging the zips as well. The Atrack on the other hand has a single zip which is really quick, simple and rugged to access. To Shashin's other point it is also 100% waterproof in the true sense of the word - if you leave it full of air when you close the zip then it will stay like that.

    First a view of the front showing the bag strapped down and showing the sidestraps that will hold a tripod and the small tethers on the front that I use for a monopod:



    Next the back of the bag in the strapped down position. Note the adjustment for the back pads:



    Now with the straps released ready to open



    Opened showing the Small Pro ICU in the closed position. Note that the main zip is well clear of the ICU giving complete access



    Next with the ICU open showing the GFX50R and the 100-200 zoom



    Then with the 32-64 mounted on the camera but the cloth removed




    It's the easiest access backpack I'v e ever used and incredibly fast and simple. This is the 25 litre and as you can see there's plenty of room for a jacket and jumper. I carry documents in one of the external side pockets in a tethered case and either a water bottle or a brolly in the other.


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    I agree with Dave about the front, back, and top loading designs. That is an important choice with some real advantages with the back loader. But that was one compromise I made for an airline carry-on design with the Farpoint 40--but it does have a panel to hide the straps which can be useful in the field to an extent.

    One other point about using inserts is protection against the weather. In the Japanese Alps, you are almost guaranteed to be walking through driving rain for several hours every day. Under those conditions, even with a rain cover on your pack, the contents will get wet/damp. I have a garbage bag around my inserts so when it does start to rain, I can simply open the pack and close the bag around the inserts, giving them a waterproof membrane to protect them.
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    I'm struggling using Flickr to host these for the first time...how do I get a decent URL out of flickr to place reasonable size images here

    Channelling Dave's very informative post above albeit without the weight tables. I agree with Shashin about the need for back opening. I just cannot abide the frustrating F-Stop access system. I find the zips difficult and then access to the ICU is difficult if you haven't already opened the top. I end up worrying about damaging the zips as well. The Atrack on the other hand has a single zip which is really quick, simple and rugged to access. To Shashin's other point it is also 100% waterproof in the true sense of the word - if you leave it full of air when you close the zip then it will stay like that.

    First a view of the front showing the bag strapped down and showing the sidestraps that will hold a tripod and the small tethers on the front that I use for a monopod:



    Next the back of the bag in the strapped down position. Note the adjustment for the back pads:



    Now with the straps released ready to open



    Opened showing the Small Pro ICU in the closed position. Note that the main zip is well clear of the ICU giving complete access



    Next with the ICU open showing the GFX50R and the 100-200 zoom



    Then with the 32-64 mounted on the camera but the cloth removed




    It's the easiest access backpack I'v e ever used and incredibly fast and simple. This is the 25 litre and as you can see there's plenty of room for a jacket and jumper. I carry documents in one of the external side pockets in a tethered case and either a water bottle or a brolly in the other.
    That looks like a great setup. Is that backpack as comfortable to wear as it looks?

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    That looks like a great setup. Is that backpack as comfortable to wear as it looks?
    It is, it's very adjustable and I also change it up during the day. Sometimes I wear it without the hip belt done up, then I do the hip belt up. Sometimes with the chest strap, sometimes without. Getting the height of the harness right on those tapes marked "S" "M" or "L" is the key to comfort and then adjusting the straps that bring the top of the pack closer or let it out further. Once you get that right it's a great backpack. I suspect the additional size of the 35L or 45L would be even more comfortable. I'm very broad across the shoulders and an additional couple of cm would be nice sometimes.

    Final point is I have an X-Pro 3 and 2 primes set up in an F-Stop Micro Tiny ICU and it will fit into the pack where the orange pouch is as well, giving you a two camera set up if you don't mind the weight.

    As a final aside, during my recent trip to Japan it became apparent that there was a small manufacturing fault on one of the shoulder straps. The stitching hadn't quite caught the turquoise mesh in one place and it frayed slightly. On return to Australia the Ortlieb distributor instantly replaced the whole pack with a new one with no questions asked. Their comment: "You have a 5 year warranty and we mean it".
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    Thank you for your input, I have heard great things about the comfort of the Shimoda bags. I hope you will share your thoughts when the Action X arrives.
    Thanks again,
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    Hello Greg,

    will surely do. Got notice from Shimoda two days ago, hopefully they should be shipping soon. I hope the bags will arrive before the end of January so that I'll be able to bring them with me for my two-month spring Workshop stretch - otherwise, it'll have to wait until April when I'll be home again

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    I recently purchased the Mindshift 26L----it is a smaller pack, with its main purpose to carry my Cambo WRS 1600, lenses, filters and accessories in the smallest pack possible. When flying business or first class, bringing a large pack is not a problem. However, I am more apt to fly coach on domestic flights. The difficulty is that other passengers often take too many carry-ons and hog up the overhead storage compartments. The Mindshift 26L allows me to take all my gear, and if needed, it can also easily be stowed under the seat. The Mindshift carries an impressive amount of gear for a smaller pack, with ample room for a laptop and tablet if desired. The pack is comfortable and the hip straps work well. I could easily opt for the larger 36L for my larger pack needs, but I am still drawn to the Atlas packs. The depth of the Atlas Athlete won't allow me to stow my Cambo with lens and back attached (at least not easily) whereas the Mindshift will hold the Cambo with HR40 and IQ4 attached stashed on its side. The larger Atlas Adventure is needed to do the same.

    I opted to use dividers in the Mindshift pack (as opposed to ICUs) which I find help to maintain rigidity in the pack. I used different padded dividers and more padding at the bottom of the pack for additional protection to the camera as well as extra support around the mounted lens using the rain cover and extra microfiber cloths under the digital back. The photos show a 3 lens kit (40/70/90), though I could take along 4 lenses (add 120) by reworking the divider layout. H&Y filter holder and filter case along the side. LCC and single bay Phase battery charger at top; Rear spacer for 90/120; small f-stop pouch holds several spare Phase batteries. Empty slots still available and plenty of room for more accessories. Nice bag!

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    Ken,
    That is amazing, that a kit will fit in a 26L, really nice compact setup! Thanks for taking the time for the detailed description and pictures!
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    I completely agree about the depth limitation of the Athlete. Almost every lens has to lie on its side (with the pack on the ground), but having a 6"x6" body like the GFX100 means using up a large square chunk of real estate. My solution:



    The GFX100 body is resting in a small f-stop ICU sitting in the main compartment. Of course, if your lenses don't fit in the Athlete depth, then this trick is useless. I find it a great compromise.


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    so I just received my Athlete, was going to try a configuration similar to yours, and there is no zipper that allows access to the compartment where you show your GFX Body. Was this something that had to be ordered with the bag or special order, or is yours a little older bag and they killed that zipper?

    I think I might try to build a special “ICU” to allow the camera with attached 32-64 to be placed through the top, which might be kind of nice since you could access the camera quickly without having to open up the back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Fox View Post
    so I just received my Athlete, was going to try a configuration similar to yours, and there is no zipper that allows access to the compartment where you show your GFX Body. Was this something that had to be ordered with the bag or special order, or is yours a little older bag and they killed that zipper?

    I think I might try to build a special “ICU” to allow the camera with attached 32-64 to be placed through the top, which might be kind of nice since you could access the camera quickly without having to open up the back.
    Wayne,

    Damn. The Athlete Medium doesn't have that zipper. The Large does. You have to scroll almost to the bottom of the Athlete page to see both interiors. Apologies for not specifying that mine was the large.

    I like the ICU on top opening up idea, as I waste a lot of space having the ICU on its side. I also have no way to carry the body with a lens mounted in my layout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    Wayne,

    Damn. The Athlete Medium doesn't have that zipper. The Large does. You have to scroll almost to the bottom of the Athlete page to see both interiors. Apologies for not specifying that mine was the large.

    I like the ICU on top opening up idea, as I waste a lot of space having the ICU on its side. I also have no way to carry the body with a lens mounted in my layout.

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    Never realized the size difference change the pack, I thought it was just about how the straps were configured to carry it. I may write them and see if theyíll take it back, if not at least trade it for the larger one. Iím about 5í9Ē so I debated on which one to order anyway, as I guess Iím on the ďbubbleĒ as to which size to use.

    Just received the adventure today, and if I take of the GFX viewfinder, it fits with the lens attached. I hardly ever use the viewfinder anyway and itís easy to pop on if I need it (sort of like the waist level finder of the XF), so I think the adventure will work pretty well. Its sort of long, but I like how itís slender. I donít like how the adventure has a rounded bottom, but I like how the entire back unzips and opens. My problem with the f-stop bag is the back opening is only about 75% of the size of the bag, so stuff gets stuck underneath the lip it leaves. Iíll post a picture once I get the adventure all setup. I may change ICUís and configure the F-Stop for my Cambo DB kit.
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