stephengilbert
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Gary,
I already own Lightroom. I wonder if I could get a few thousand dollars off?
Steve
I already own Lightroom. I wonder if I could get a few thousand dollars off?
Steve
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"Responding to questions why Leica choose not to offer a lens package with the Leica S2, Erhardt said: "It's Leica's policy to keep all the options open to the consumer rather than just bundle an entry-level lens with the S2."PDN just released an article where Christian Erhardt addresses the S2 pricing (http://www.pdngearguide.com/gearguide/content_display/news/e3i6c373b8b2be6b84f034a4dfe18007090)
Cheers,
I would certainly hope so! :thumbs:Gary,
I already own Lightroom. I wonder if I could get a few thousand dollars off?
Steve
I hope the Hell not. I want/need the M9 to make it to market. My eggs are in that basket with the lenses and all.I dont post to this board often. Mostly because there usually is another member who says what i'm thinking in a much more eloquent way.
But today. Im pissed.
As a photographer who makes his living primarily shooting with M cameras I need Leica to stay in business. To remain strong, healthy, (and most of all) able to service my cameras and lenses.
So when i see that a fully blown out S2 system is going to cost 50k or so. And then i read that the S2 is 'the focus' for the company in the future.
I just shake my head. Maybe it is time to really give those zf lenses a go on a d3x. Not because the S2 wont be great. Just because, (and i pray its not) - it might be the anchor to finally sink an already leaky ship.
A perfect example of a product that contributed to the insolvency of a company.TBH, I was waiting for the official USA pricing to be delivered on high from Mount Solms before making my decision about MF digital. As someone who wants to make money with his photography, I cannot justify this cost in any business plan when the alternatives on the market are a much better deal. Unless the IQ is orders of magnitude better than all the rest combined, I don't see this camera making a dent in the market. I am planning to go Phamiya/Cambo for my MFD needs.
Maybe Leica will survive long enough to adopt the Hummer product philosophy. Hummer produced their most expensive model first, the H1 and sold quite a few (but not market-shakingly so) to the well-heeled, discriminating buyer with cash. They then introduced the H2, a smaller, more fuel-efficient, less expensive version which did much better. Then they came up with the H3 - Hummer for the masses, which did very, very well compared to the H1 & H2.
Granted, Hummer did have a military contract to start off with and keep them afloat during the "growing pains" phase.
Sad to say, but if Tim's evaluation is correct, Leica has a product which itself only fits a very small niche market....which they've made even smaller by the high price of entry.I have another take.
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Tim
I would not be surprised if Hasselblad discontinued the H3D-II/31 in the near future.Of course Hasselblad will drop their prices another couple of K before the Leica hits the street if the intention is woowing DSLR users.
It's too bad you feel that way Guy. YOU were a real potential target for this camera as it was moving toward your desire for a consolidated system to meet most if not all of your needs with one system ... something you have been clear about for some time now.You know what it should be and that is what counts. Regardless being a Pro or not you are a consumer. And no one on this planet can justify these costs to me , NO ONE. They frankly are irresponsible to what the market will bear. Seriously there is nothing a S2 has that a Hassy or Phase does not have , maybe some change in features but not starting at 6k than moving up to about 20k or more for a system wide setup. And yes i wanted one but you will not move me with overpricing by a country mile. This has nothing to do with anything but value for your dollar so really hearing how our reactions are to this is not what the issue is . Most of us would want to get in. That is not the issue , what is pushing the envelope way beyond reasonable and prudent even for the wealthy but more important what the competition already has as the standard as reasonable and prudent. These prices no matter how much you think there maybe some advantage to owning the Leica which it clearly is not does not justify these kinds of price swings. Not in MF for sure, 35mm than we are talking a different language. Last comment and i am already over it and looking back into my Phase kit. I honestly can't be motivated to buy even if money was no object.
Now I'm scared to death that Leica will price the M9 at some ridiculous price level to offset for S2 losses... One way or another we're all stuck paying for the S2 (assuming we buy a new Leica M lens, accessory, etc).I hope the Hell not. I want/need the M9 to make it to market. My eggs are in that basket with the lenses and all.
I'm the creaky old ship here, and I need to be able to swap out to a M camera when doing weddings just for the relief :ROTFL:
High volume is no problem for leica, they are "special editions" manufacturer:angel:.That's today (or last year). S2 product life must span 2010-2011 considering no realistic possibility of high volume ......
The R serie owners have been waiting for the R10 for so long they finally quit and buy Canon to make use of their lenses.Sad to say, but if Tim's evaluation is correct, Leica has a product which itself only fits a very small niche market....which they've made even smaller by the high price of entry.
Good luck with this one Leica....but I sure wish you had put a few of those research and development dollars into a digital R10 instead. I would have loved to put my R lenses to good use on one (someday).
Gary