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    Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    OK, just received the 58mm f/1.4g lens and took it out for a spin in Waikiki with my D800.
    All shot wide open except for one.
    No real testing on my part, just shooting this and that.

    Lens definitely has a distinct look, lovely bokeh, extremely shallow DOF and is definitely not razor sharp wide open at close distance.
    So far I am very pleased.
    Hope to do a bit more shooting this weekend.
    Enjoy.













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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    Joe,

    the photos look marvelous.

    How does this lens handle on the D800?

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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    Quote Originally Posted by The Smoking Camera View Post
    I think this one perfectly illustrates what this lens is all about...

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    Handled beautifully on the D800. Off to try and get a few more shots if weather permits.
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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    A friend asked me to stop by during a Games of Thrones cosplay shoot.
    Here's one, heavily edited (per their request).
    Shot wide open.

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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    Your images are showing what this lens is capable of in experienced hands. Still a touch myopic to my eye- I wish there was that feeling of tack sharpness at 1.4, but I don't think that's what this lens is about. and I think just a touch of sharpening, structure, micro-contrast, et al- would add to the feeling of a touch more sharpness if wanted.

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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    Joe, with respect here's just a touch of sharpness added to your photo you think demonstrates what the lens can do. Does the added sharpness add to the viewer experience? To me, I personally like the touch more sharpness at the plane of focus (perhaps even less) but would take it all away from the OOF areas. The intention of the design starts to reveal itself.

    What's interesting is that all the detail DOES seem to be within the very narrow plane of focus, although I believe it's smaller than it would be due to the focus shift the lens appears to have. So it does appear to be more of a micro- contrast issue than a sharpness/detail issue, and the lens design is drawing how the lens designer wants it to.


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    Thanks John, a little sharpness never hurts and it may be necessary wide open.
    Unfortunately, it has been raining so I wasn't able to get out except for the fun shoot.
    However, here are a few more shots from yesterday.

    For those that just want to see the images I've included them below.
    The face and armor shots are wide open, the knife shot at f/2.
    These are jpgs with no post work except one stop of exposure added to the knife shot.

    What I like about the lens is it gives me a different look wide open.
    And it also appears pretty sharp by f/2.

    I've posted the same shots over at nikoncafe.
    Hoping a few of these images will help people decide if the lens is for them or not.

    Here you go:











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    Here is another a f/2.
    No post work except adding one stop to jpg.
    Here you go:



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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    Thanks Joe for posting, you generous posting and notes helped me decide to order one today. Most likely selling my 1-year old 14mm f/2.8 rectilinear and 50mm 1.4G, once tested, if anyone's interested.

    I think the lens has enormous potential, but it's one brush you have to learn how to use. I think for bride and groom romance shots it will be wonderful- to bring her, or them, into their own world.

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    You are welcome John.
    I agree with your assessment and it will be great for weddings.

    Here's another.
    Obviously processed but sharp as a tack at f/2.



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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    Joe

    Excellent shots that really show how the 58/1.4 performs . I have been shooting it this week on my D800E and had a few observations .

    This lens will be known for its "aesthetic" wide open and its ability to handle bright lights in night shooting (like the Noct Nikkor) .

    1. I really like the bokeh ...as its a very smooth roll off with soft edges (not as exaggerated as even the Noctilux ) .

    2. The apparent "sharpness" wide open and especially up close doesn t match the Leica M or R summiluxes .

    3. At distances in the 8-20 Ft range ...the overall images look just great ...the separation adds a very nice aesthetic ...this would be a pick for shooting weddings or family events .

    4. The lens balances really well on any of the FX bodies ....the front element is recessed (similar to a 60/2.8 macro) and I will not use a filter or a hood except in extreme situations. The lens is light and the weight is near the rear element ..not front heavy.

    My copy back focuses badly and will take a little time tomorrow to calibrate it ..I hope I have enough room its looking like maybe its at +20 to the standard .

    We have a new 50/1.4G that my wife uses on her D600 ..so I will soon have some photographs to compare .
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    Thanks for your comments and observations Roger. I was surprised by the recessed front element and a agree a hood in not necessary under normal circumstances. Really like the bokeh so far. Definitely have to get comfortable with what the lens is capable of at various apertures and distances.

    Never owned or used a noct and strangely I rarely use a 50mm lens except for some studio work. The 58 seems like a nice tool in my bag.
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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    Joe, If I am not mistaken, isn't this lens optimized for infinity shooting wide open?

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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Joe, If I am not mistaken, isn't this lens optimized for infinity shooting wide open?
    Don't know about this Vivek. Where did your read this?
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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    It is possible that I have enhanced selective reading (i.e., reading what I want to read) abilities?

    References here: Nikon | Imaging Products | AF-S NIKKOR 58mm f/1.4G

    Point light sources located at infinity can be finely reproduced as point images even at the maximum aperture.
    and here:

    Nikon | Imaging Products | Behind the scenes - AF-S NIKKOR 58mm f/1.4G

    To be exact, sharpness, contrast and resolution have been greatly enhanced even for shooting distant scenes.

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    The Noct 58/1.2 was optimized for infinity shooting wide open but I don't know about the new 58/1.4. I found that the Noct 58/1.2 was excellent from 5 meters to infinity wide open but close focus distance, it lagged behind the 50/1.2 AIS.

    The other thing that I want to bring up is the focus accuracy of the D800(e). I found that D800 is not very reliable compared to Nikon's pro bodies, D3/s/x/D4. I had to send mine back to Nikon for re-calibration as it didn't provide robust/consistent accuracy for my 24/1.4, 28/1.4 and 35/1.4 lenses. I don't if Joe and Roger have used the 58/1.4 other than their D800E.
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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    A few more from today.
    All shot wide open at 1.4.













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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    Lovely images, Joe.

    Looking at the wide open shots, it reminds of the Jupiter-3 lens on the MM. It just does not have enough juice for the sensor while having "character" (Only the Jupiter-3 and an adapter cost ~$70).

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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    power of the DSLR evident here. As much as I love small comact mirrorless systems and my Leica, they simply cannot create action photos like these with ease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmbma View Post
    power of the DSLR evident here. As much as I love small comact mirrorless systems and my Leica, they simply cannot create action photos like these with ease.
    Fully agree!

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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    Quote Originally Posted by mmbma View Post
    power of the DSLR evident here. As much as I love small comact mirrorless systems and my Leica, they simply cannot create action photos like these with ease.

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    Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii


    "action" ...

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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    Ok, last image I will post as I move on to other things.
    Just a walk along the beach:

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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    Best.

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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    I said no more images, but can't resist adding just a few more and a couple of observations.
    No question, the lens is not razor sharp wide open, but the bokeh is so lovely.
    Wide open, DOF is so shallow I find myself taking a couple of extra shots to make sure I get at least one in focus.
    The lens handles beautifully on the d800 and focus feels like my 85/1.4g.
    Often I shoot with two primes, the 24/1.4g and the 85/1.4g but often the 85 is too long and I wish I had a 50 instead.
    So in some ways the 58 can replace both and may make an ideal walk around lens.
    I could see myself attaching the 58 to the d800 around my shoulder and carrying the Ricoh GR (28/2.8) in my pocket.
    Anyway here are a few more:







    [IMG]]http://www.thesmokingcamera.com/img/s5/v118/p844918310-6.jpg[/IMG]





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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    http://neilvn.com/tangents/

    Neil does a nice job compare a few night images with the 58 1.4G and the 50 1.4G. Includes sample images to download. Thank you Neil!

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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    Those two snaps were not done in Hawaii.

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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    That's abundantly correct, Vivek. But this is the most relevant thread in terms of useful images to look at the demonstrate well the IQ of this new lens. Of course if you wish to remove the thread please do so.

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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    John, I do not mean to be brash but it is Joe's thread and his images (which are splendid as everyone can see). Thought I will point that out. That is all.

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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    I'm out on this one. I have yet to see anything close to my Sigma 35 wide open. This is just another lens you have to stop down to like F2 to get any crispness. The thing is I want something longer than 50 as it's the most boring focal length to me. I actually hate a 50 but something longer I would like plus it's too damn close to my 35 which is a permanent lens now. Now here's what kills me just looking at some Sony A7r shots with there 55 1.8 and it's really crisp wide open with nice bokeh. That's what I was hoping to see here. Hate to say it but I just might get out of Nikon for my quality camera and downgrade my Nikon to a PR kit a D610 24-70 and a 70-200 and call it a day. Take my Leica 19r convert to Sony A mount. Sell my Sigma 35. And rebuy it in Sony A mount, take my Zeiss 135 and either convert , sell into a Sony A mount, have to look at options here. Buy the Sony 55 1.8 and as the new E mounts become available just slowly convert to it more. Its a freaking bizarre thought but once again . Buy a Leica R 28 and convert to a A mount. Frankly this is getting more depressing as time marches on. I have 2 Nikon lenses in my kit everything else is another brand and its a big clunking mess.

    I'm just thinking out loud but I feel Nikon will never make anything more than a D800e. There in financial trouble and not innovating.

    I'm just going to wait it out till next year and I may flip everything around. If anyone is a crazy nut case to do it your looking at him. LOL
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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    No problem positing links to other reviews. The more info and comparisons, the better.
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    Agree and Joe no offense to your images as they are really nice. Just not seeing what I'm after
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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    Joe, I think your images are very nice and I'm happy the lens pleases you because that's what counts for sure! However as respects the "character" from the 58, I just am not seeing enough of anything special to justify it for myself -- certainly not as much character as I feel I get from my 50/1.2. Not being critical, just going on record as respects what I'm seeing for my own personal needs from this lens.
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    Yep. The Sony lens, as Guy said, look like a far better lens.

    I think (I'm sure) that the trick about the bokeh of this 58mmf1.4 is the 58mm focal I'm sure they are able to manufacture a new 50f1.2 AFS G with spectacular results. Just take the old design, put NanoCristal coating, and swap on or two normal elements with SLD glass and you are done. Just putting N coating on the actual lens would improve considerably the results.

    I think Nikon do not have any resources and courage left to build quality lenses like in the old days. They want the most profit out of their device now. And with the actual photographic landscapes, where there is a wunderbar expansion of casual photographers and a diminution of pro photographers, they aim the biggest market.

    It is why us, pros, are kinda upset, because we know what Nikon was able to do and we see the crap they try to sell now. This is why SIGMA or even SONY are more honest because they do actual lenses at a good price with top quality and performances.

    In my mind, there is a manufacturer who never lost his quality : Olympus... but they are not full frame any-more... and thats a pita.

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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    No offense taken. I've never shot with a noct nor do I shoot with manual focus lenses. Furthermore, I rarely if ever shoot with a 50.

    Yesterday I photographed an active one year old with the 58 in natural light. This was in a tight space. The lens worked very well and i was able to get that gorgeous bokeh and dreamy look normally seen with the 85.

    Lots of ifs - f/1.2, sharper wide open, cheaper, etc. Nevertheless, I believe this lens will be wonderful for weddings, dreamy portraits, night shots and as an alternative to carrying a 50 and 85 in the bag.

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    Yea no offence for you Joe. I think that your photos are superb but are 98% due to your skills and eyes
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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    Thanks Hulyss for the nice words.
    I've had the 58 for a week and here is a link to a few images I've taken.
    (in a slideshow format to more easily view).
    Vast majority of shots wide open - so don't expect sharpness.
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    Re: Nikon 58/1.4g in Hawaii

    HD in Hawaii. Wide open at f/1.4. A little vignetting for fun.




    At f/2, cropped, in brisk wind.

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    Loved the whole series Joe, EVERYTHING IS AWESOME!
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    Something Special Going On Here!

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    Thank you pophoto and shtarka1. Here's another.
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