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    Quote Originally Posted by jdphoto View Post
    Also, Having to convert to tiff's to use LR is a bit of a hog on my HD as there's no NEF support for Z's on my version of LR.
    Would it be a suggestion to convert to dng's (using the latest Adobe dng converter). They're usually smaller than tif's and the files remain "raw" so give you more options to PP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    Would it be a suggestion to convert to dng's (using the latest Adobe dng converter). They're usually smaller than tif's and the files remain "raw" so give you more options to PP.
    This is what I did a few years ago when running an older version of PS, and it worked very well. Adobe's DNG converter has a batch function that will convert complete folders from any RAW format to DNG while you are having Champagne and caviar. Or beer and pizza? I believe the DNG converter is still free of charge, the beer and Champagne unfortunately not.

    As Pegelli points out, you get much more and better functionality with RAW files in ACR than with tiff files.

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    Unfortunately, my version of LR (6.14) supports Camera Raw 10.1 The Z 6/7 requires an upgrade to 8.1 and 11.1 for Camera Raw, but thank you for the suggestions. I guess it's time for me to bundle a subscription as I'd like to use PS and Portfolio. It's been a while since I upgraded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdphoto View Post
    Unfortunately, my version of LR (6.14) supports Camera Raw 10.1 The Z 6/7 requires an upgrade to 8.1 and 11.1 for Camera Raw, but thank you for the suggestions. I guess it's time for me to bundle a subscription as I'd like to use PS and Portfolio. It's been a while since I upgraded.
    https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/digital-negative.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdphoto View Post
    Unfortunately, my version of LR (6.14) supports Camera Raw 10.1 The Z 6/7 requires an upgrade to 8.1 and 11.1 for Camera Raw, but thank you for the suggestions. I guess it's time for me to bundle a subscription as I'd like to use PS and Portfolio. It's been a while since I upgraded.
    If you follow the link Jorgen posted above you'll see that if you convert your NEF's to DNG (using the latest Adobe DNG converter) then LR 6.14 will open these DNG files.

    It's a small "gesture" by Adobe for people using older versions of LR or PS with newer cameras.

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    Jorgen and Pegelli, Thank you so much for that info and link!

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    Nikon Z (camera) to Sony FE (lens!) adapter:

    https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1579845

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    Nikon Z (camera) to Sony FE (lens!) adapter:

    https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1579845
    How sick can this go

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    How sick can this go
    Why sick? One step closer to the "Universal Mount", being able to use any lens on any camera

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    Why sick? One step closer to the "Universal Mount", being able to use any lens on any camera
    It is so sick trying to adapt whatever can be adapted. But milage may obviously vary

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    JD, you could also consider try using the C1 Pro 12 version, which is a strong solution, and the only one I am using.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    It is so sick trying to adapt whatever can be adapted. But milage may obviously vary
    You didn't answer my question: Why sick?

    Just repeating what you said will only convince yourself

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    You didn't answer my question: Why sick?

    Just repeating what you said will only convince yourself
    Just because I find doing so sick!

    But maybe one of the most important reasons is that IMO one should stay within one system without adapting too much if possible. Why if I had FE lenses would I want to adapt to a Nikon Z body? I would buy either a Sony Axyz camera where FE lenses work best or stay in the Nikon ecosystem and in best case adapt "old" Nikon glass to the Z-mount. By doing so I would avoid a ton of negative issues that could come up while mixing systems too much.

    So for some people this game of adapting seems to be great - well then that is ok - but I reserve the freedom of finding this sick (or would you not call it sick if you move yourself voluntarily into troubles).

    What is your reason for finding this normal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Just because I find doing so sick!

    But maybe one of the most important reasons is that IMO one should stay within one system without adapting too much if possible. Why if I had FE lenses would I want to adapt to a Nikon Z body? I would buy either a Sony Axyz camera where FE lenses work best or stay in the Nikon ecosystem and in best case adapt "old" Nikon glass to the Z-mount. By doing so I would avoid a ton of negative issues that could come up while mixing systems too much.

    So for some people this game of adapting seems to be great - well then that is ok - but I reserve the freedom of finding this sick (or would you not call it sick if you move yourself voluntarily into troubles).

    What is your reason for finding this normal?
    Sorry to upset you Peter, I can fully understand why you don't want or don't like it. I have no problem with that. However by calling it "sick" you also seem (at least to me) disapprove of the idea in general for others and not just for yourself.

    I never said I find the idea "normal" so I can't answer your question because it's the wrong question.
    You might have asked why I don't find the idea "sick" and the reason for that is that as long as there are people enjoying developing and using these systems I will gladly let them without disapproving their idea in general, even if I don't like it or will not use it.

    I also don't call the FTZ adapter "sick", even though 75% of Nikon's AF lenses don't autofocus with it, that's also a fact many people "voluntarily" overlook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    Sorry to upset you Peter, I can fully understand why you don't want or don't like it. I have no problem with that. However by calling it "sick" you also seem (at least to me) disapprove of the idea in general for others and not just for yourself.

    I never said I find the idea "normal" so I can't answer your question because it's the wrong question.
    You might have asked why I don't find the idea "sick" and the reason for that is that as long as there are people enjoying developing and using these systems I will gladly let them without disapproving their idea in general, even if I don't like it or will not use it.

    I also don't call the FTZ adapter "sick", even though 75% of Nikon's AF lenses don't autofocus with it, that's also a fact many people "voluntarily" overlook.
    All good as long as you (or whoever enjoys that game). For me it is a no go and honestly actually sick to do something where I know (or can be pretty sure) I will get into issues. Knowing that and still doing it is ... well sick for me. But call it whatever you want, this is ok for me.

    But again - you should not be bothered by doing what you want just because I think it is sick. If I offended you by saying so I do apologise, that was never my intention, but in the end it will not change the way I think about it.

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    No need to aplogise Peter, I'm not easily offended (if I were Internet fora are a hazardous place to be around) and I wasn't offended by your posts in any way. I was just trying to understand you better. I found your reaction to call this new adapter "sick" a bit strong for a harmless piece of equipment. As I understand it now you're more of a purist and any adapter that leads to "issues" is "sick" (for you), so it would equally apply to all the AF adapters that have been developed in the past, including the Metabones, Techart, Sony and Nikon adapters to name a few.

    Well, everybody is entitled to their opinion and even while I don't intend to use this new one (I don't see a Nikon Z in my future) I applaud the effort people put into developing these things. I find it positive that photographers have options they can choose from and while I agree none of these adapters are fault free I can see that for many people the advantages will outweigh the downsides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    No need to aplogise Peter, I'm not easily offended (if I were Internet fora are a hazardous place to be around) and I wan't offended by your posts in any way. I was just trying to understand you better. I found your reaction to call this new adapter "sick" a bit strong for a harmless piece of equipment. As I understand it now you're more of a purist and any adapter that leads to "issues" is "sick" (for you), so it would equally apply to all the AF adapters that have been developed in the past, including the Metabones, Techart, Sony and Nikon adapters to name a few.

    Well, everybody is entitled to their opinion and even while I don't intend to use this new one (I don't see a Nikon Z in my future) I applaud the effort people put into developing these things. I find it positive that photographers have options they can choose from and while I agree none of these adapters are fault free I can see that for many people the advantages will outweigh the downsides.
    I understand where you are coming from. And I am not calling all adapters useless or sick, for example the original FTZ adapter is pretty cool. One only has to be aware that AF speed suffers and this is also true with original Nikon AF glass and this adapter.

    Would I buy this adapter? Yes, because it seems to work nicely even with all the flaws and would allow me to use some of my old Nikon lenses (manual focus). Would I buy a Leica M to Z adapter? Yes, because I have so many M lenses. Would I be happy with that one? Not sure as I think sooner or later I would run into issues resulting from the not M-lens optimised Z-sensor.

    So this is actually my way of thinking. But in all honesty, why would you want to use and FE lens on a Z-body? I understand you have Sony cameras, so why not use FE lenses natively?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    But in all honesty, why would you want to use and FE lens on a Z-body? I understand you have Sony cameras, so why not use FE lenses natively?
    I personally wouldn't (and I said so in my previous post why that is).

    But picture a former Nikon owner who jumped ship to Sony for mirrorless a few years ago and got a few native lenses but didn't sell his/her Nikon lenses (and maybe even used those adapted on the Sony E-mount body)
    For those people going back to Nikon but still being able to use their E-mount lenses on their new mirrorless body, next to their old Nikon lenses via the FTZ adapter might be a path that is attractive. There aren't that many native Nikon S-mount lenses available while Sony has developed a few really good ones, so it's basically a choice between adapted F-mount lenses and adapted E-mount lenses.

    Even though I can't see a use for myself I can picture how a new adapter (or other piece of equipment) can be useful to others. In my mind I find it more rewarding to look at advantages and opportunities and not so much at limitations.

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    That wouldn’t make you “sick”!


    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Would I buy a Leica M to Z adapter? Yes, because I have so many M lenses. Would I be happy with that one? Not sure as I think sooner or later I would run into issues resulting from the not M-lens optimised Z-sensor.

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    Nikon Z6, Nikkor Z 24-70mm f/4 S @ 70mm, 1/30, f/5.6, ISO 200, VR on
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    Nikon Z6, Nikkor Z 24-70mm f/4 S @ 63mm, 1/30, f/5.6, ISO 200
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    Getting closer with the kit lens... no cropping.



    Nikon Z6, Nikkor Z 24-70mm f/4 S @ 70mm, 1/50, f/5.6, ISO 400, -2.0 EC, VR on, EFCS off
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    Darin,
    Is the auto WB and metering accurate for your use? I would be very interested in metering for portraits without exposure comp. and the ability to have accurate auto WB.

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    I will speak more about the Z6 later but to answer some questions :


    • Yes the WB is accurate but it is always better to make a custom one on the spot for important works especially if mixed lightings.

    • The skin tones are perfect. By default the camera is as good as the DF - D4 - D5 or D850. Cf answer 1 for further optimisations.

    • Messing the settings, especially with no real understanding of those settings can lead to disapointements. Reading the manual is the key factor of succesfull operations. Their is no problem to deplete the battery few times in the menus to set and test. Factory reset is your friend.

    • The autofocus in AFS have Nothing to envie to the D serie. It is hugelly customisable (speed …). AFC need some practice or a kind of anticipation. This is a camera, not a self driving car; and a camera need a photographer behind it, not an assisted. Cf answer 3 for further optimisations.

    • The native lenses such as the 24-70S are extremely good, somehow better than many actual F mount primes, on par with SIGMA art, latest f1.8 Nikon primes and Zeiss. It is very very good to resolve the Z7 so no need to speak that much how it perform on the Z6. Some parameters are baked into the raws but who cares ? If the output is good I personally take it. We need to envolve.

    • The FTZ adapter is efficient, focus perfect with any AFS lenses to date, manual with AFD but focus peaking is a marvelous +.

    • Stabilisation work flawlessly. But again, for the Northrup, Cf answer 3 for further optimisations and proper usability.


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    Some frequently asked questions :


    Can lens hood be reversed on the lens ?

    Of course. It is a Nikon lens and, while the lens hood itself is flexible, their is no fear to have to clips it firmly. Just find the correct angle and insertion point (like all previous plastic Nikon lens hoods) and snap it, like a boss.



    One card slot ?? Am I doomed ?

    Of course… if you think so. I'm a D700 guy who shoot weedings, family stuff and commissioned works since 2011. My only card fail was a CF who felt on the floor from 2 or 3 meters. I was able to recover it few months later by just pressing on it … Still work. Bear in mind that I do not have any rescue cameras. 2 card slots is good but c'mon !! XQD card are the most reliable cards ever produced. It is quick, it is stronger and more secure than a CF. While some continue crying, I shoot. But that's just my opinion.



    The XQD card is hard to extract. I fear to break something if I "force"...

    Again, it is a Nikon camera. The XQD lock system is the same as SD lock system : Press to release and pull back, do not worry kitty !



    When I setup my camera for external flash system, I see nothing in the EVF and it can't focus. Is it broken ??

    Nope and do not worry. Just set d8 submenu on OFF and you'll see magic of electronic !
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    Some frequently asked questions 2 :


    There is no battery grip for the Z's ?

    No. But as far as we speak about the actual native lenses, there is no need because of the marvelous balance. If some want more juice for monstrous time laps there is a B&H kit with external battery, adapter and converter for about 180$. For the rest, just buy a second battery and you good to go.


    Is that thing feel like a toy Sony camera ? Do you feel the lens catches the mechanical float when you use the focus ring ?

    No. It is a Nikon camera. From a D700 user point of view I am just very happy by the solidity of this camera. Complet faith in it.


    Lol, it does not record LOG internally

    Mmmm… not anymore. It can. But for now you need to pay for it : https://www.eoshd.com/eoshd-z-log-nikon-z7-d850/


    There is only 3 lenses for it ??

    3 very good lenses yes. But there is the whole line of AFS-G lenses behind who work flawlessly. What else ?
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    Some frequently asked questions 3 :


    But ...

    But what ? The lens road map is perfect (almost). I concede that it lack a 70-200 f4 but so far so good. New optical formulas on the way, yummy !


    … let me finish my question !!!! But… what about this 0.95 behemoth lens ??

    Ha ! It is a technological demo. Nikon Like to do it once every … 20 years or so. it will be a very unique lens, probably expensive and I envy the ones who will be able to afford it !


    Don't you think Canon have better lenses on the R body ?

    Wait till Nikon put his 50f1.2 on the market and we will speak.


    I'm a Sony shooter. Is it sane to jump on Nikon mirrorless System ?

    What is insane is actually asking this kind of question. Don' t think ! DO ! But first you'll need to burn your clunky jack of all trade with his fancy coloured bayonette. Make it public on YouTube please ! Then your heart and vision will open and expend beyond what you can imagine; you will experiment a mystical rebirth.
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    Amazing, I actually like the fact Nikon brought out the Z cameras, I actually like they seem to perform quite well. Competition and choices are good for all photographers.

    But don't you think it's a blatant demonstration of insecurity or inferiority complex that you can't talk about the Z6/7 without taking a few digs at Sony vs. just focussing on what they do well?

    Pls. realise that without Sony stepping into this game 5 years ago there would be no Nikon Z (or Canon R) today, you better be thankful for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    But don't you think it's a blatant demonstration of insecurity or inferiority complex that you can't talk about the Z6/7 without taking a few digs at Sony vs. just focusing on what they do well?
    It is just fanboyism gone off the rails.

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    More like derailed OVF trainwreck.

    Quote Originally Posted by faberryman View Post
    It is just fanboyism gone off the rails.
    The batteries are made in China, BTW.

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    No guys, it is just sarcasm and fun ( the Zony part)

    I do not care about brands. It is all about photography and gear is only the tool. But I'm tired by internet since some weeks, on many forums and YouTube channels, seeing ppl really trashing the Z cameras. Dpreview forum and comments are just a troll fest, out of control.

    You see ppl asking a bunch of questions they can answer themselve if they just read the instruction manual. Internet just gone crazy and I bet it is hard for some brands to "tell the truth" without being accused of marketing strategy.

    I always look at a gear like a beginner, for example someone who want to go full frame. The guy see the Z offering, is interested and then gather infos there and there … it is a mess. Behind this mess there is no conspiracy theory but the truth that some brand deploy more "ressources" to harvest market shares, pure uggly business. Paid "Reviewers" not trustworthy anymore, or reviewers you need to pay to always see the same landscape shoots or unrelated contents.

    Since I tested the 3 brands, Canon R, Sony A7xx and the Z before any buying decisions, I came to the conclusion that the Z's (proper handled) are the best bang for the buck on the long run. I shoot Nikon and Nikon isn't flawless. The Z is more a tank than the D600, D610, DF, D750. In the hands it is almost like a D700/ D850 and this is something important. It is a "tank sans mirror". And when you do everything with your camera this is one big of a key factor.

    The Sony A9 come close but the price is falcon heavy league (and I continue to have hard time with Sony menus). For this price one can be tempted to wait a little bit more and jump Medium Format with the fuji.


    A lot of my friends are sony users and no, I do not bash their choice (but they lurk at the Z)
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    Hulyss,
    I love your descriptions. Nicely done. Did you go with the Z6 or Z7? If you could share the reasons behind your choice that would be appreciated too. Also, here's a new review on the 50mm 1.8 S, which is incredible! Much like the Sony/Zeiss 55mm 1.8, which was one of my favorite lenses of all!

    https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nik...traffic_source
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    No guys, it is just sarcasm and fun ( the Zony part)

    I do not care about brands. It is all about photography and gear is only the tool. But I'm tired by internet since some weeks, on many forums and YouTube channels, seeing ppl really trashing the Z cameras. Dpreview forum and comments are just a troll fest, out of control.

    You see ppl asking a bunch of questions they can answer themselve if they just read the instruction manual. Internet just gone crazy and I bet it is hard for some brands to "tell the truth" without being accused of marketing strategy.

    I always look at a gear like a beginner, for example someone who want to go full frame. The guy see the Z offering, is interested and then gather infos there and there … it is a mess. Behind this mess there is no conspiracy theory but the truth that some brand deploy more "ressources" to harvest market shares, pure uggly business. Paid "Reviewers" not trustworthy anymore, or reviewers you need to pay to always see the same landscape shoots or unrelated contents.

    Since I tested the 3 brands, Canon R, Sony A7xx and the Z before any buying decisions, I came to the conclusion that the Z's (proper handled) are the best bang for the buck on the long run. I shoot Nikon and Nikon isn't flawless. The Z is more a tank than the D600, D610, DF, D750. In the hands it is almost like a D700/ D850 and this is something important. It is a "tank sans mirror". And when you do everything with your camera this is one big of a key factor.

    The Sony A9 come close but the price is falcon heavy league (and I continue to have hard time with Sony menus). For this price one can be tempted to wait a little bit more and jump Medium Format with the fuji.


    A lot of my friends are sony users and no, I do not bash their choice (but they lurk at the Z)

    Thanks Hulyss, interesting thought process.

    I am looking forward to the firmware updates 5.0 and 6.0 to my Sony A9 this spring and summer. That updated A9 will be hard to beat IMHO for action photography.

    Meanwhile last October I surprised myself and bought the Fuji GFX 50S and a bunch of their stellar lenses. WOW! Such a fabulous tool set for what it was designed for. I think I am slowly getting ready for the 100S.

    Good luck to you and your friends with the Nikon Z cameras.
    I gave most of my Nikon gear to my oldest son and have moved on.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Darin,
    Is the auto WB and metering accurate for your use? I would be very interested in metering for portraits without exposure comp. and the ability to have accurate auto WB.
    Hello jd,

    I am not that much into portrait photography, except for the occasional fair, festival or parade These are later in the year, so I have not yet had the chance to try the Z6 on people. Hulyss and others are more qualified than me to comment on using the Z6/7 for portraits.

    When it comes to exposure I've mostly been using Center-weighted Metering for quite some time with my Nikon cameras. Nikon's Matrix Metering system has become more and more complex in recent years, which makes it less predictable for me. For example, it is slightly biased toward the active focus point, it fights/ignores you when you try to use exposure compensation, and it is not recommended if you use a circular polarizer (this is actually specified in the camera manual). Center-weighted is predictable and I don't mind dialing exposure compensation as needed for many of my photos. With the Z6 I find CW metering at least as accurate as with the D810.

    When it comes to AWB, when outdoors (with natural light) I am setting the Z6 to "Natural light auto" WB and I am getting the most accurate WB of all my Nikons (D810, Df, J5). This was introduced by Nikon after the D810, so it is my first time using it. Not sure if Nikon further improved if after the D850, but in combination with the "Neutral" picture control I am quite happy with the results. As I said in the past, I am converting NEFs with Capture NX-D and my experience with Adobe products stopped at Lightroom 6.14 (which I am still using for the finishing touches), so I am not sure how well does other software deal with Nikon's WB settings. For the few portraits I took with the D810, the "Portrait" picture control selected in Capture NX-D gave me pretty nice skin tones...

    Indoors, with artificial light, I am setting the Z6 to A0 WB, but it is not very accurate, so I am changing it in post to incandescent/fluorescent/sodium vapor/etc. as appropriate, and fine tune it from there.
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    Darin,
    Thanks for the reply. All good points. I think you were right about the focus point and AWB, as the slight shift in color was probably from camera movement using AF-S.

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    Hulyss,
    I love your descriptions. Nicely done. Did you go with the Z6 or Z7? If you could share the reasons behind your choice that would be appreciated too. Also, here's a new review on the 50mm 1.8 S, which is incredible! Much like the Sony/Zeiss 55mm 1.8, which was one of my favorite lenses of all!

    https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nik...traffic_source
    Hy JD,

    I went with the Z6 for two reasons, the first being the price and second the file size.
    The kit price with FTZ and 24-70 is very attractive and you do not feel neutered when you leave the store.
    The file size is optimal for my use and I remembrer some Leica engineers saying that 24mpx is the best compromise in 24x36 and that they won't go after more pixel in the M system.


    Also, the Z6 sensor is the same tech as the Z7 (BSI cmos sensor) and it is just very very good. Less pixels is also less error in action and, in the case of the Z6, much better video. ISO are close to D5 level ; it is a true adventurer camera. The fact that the two Z are exactelly the same build made me jump (I would never have bought the Z6 if it was less rugged than the Z7). So, except if you want to print large walls,ISO 64 and massive cropping, the Z6 is as efficient IQ wize than the Z7.


    I just seen the 50f1.8S review and yea, this one might join dady this summer.


    An another review from a respectable man: https://blog.kasson.com/nikon-z6-7/n...-55-on-a7riii/

    As for WB and portrait, I never really trust cameras. I always build a custom WB on the spot or place a grey card somewhere in the frame that I clone out in post. That being said the only tricky situation might be mixed lightings, for example day light from a windows and incandescent. In this case, custom WB is mandatory imho. If you are not familiar with custom WB you might start to train. With time it became a reflex and you'll be confident with almost all scenarios.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdphoto View Post
    Hulyss,
    I love your descriptions. Nicely done. Did you go with the Z6 or Z7? If you could share the reasons behind your choice that would be appreciated too. Also, here's a new review on the 50mm 1.8 S, which is incredible! Much like the Sony/Zeiss 55mm 1.8, which was one of my favorite lenses of all!

    https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nik...traffic_source
    If this is the quality and price level that Nikon is planning to be at, they will be very hard to compete with. The Z6 and 50mm f/1.8 is the pragmatic choice, just like other Nikon cameras and lenses have been in the past.

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    No guys, it is just sarcasm and fun ( the Zony part)

    I do not care about brands. It is all about photography and gear is only the tool. But I'm tired by internet since some weeks, on many forums and YouTube channels, seeing ppl really trashing the Z cameras. Dpreview forum and comments are just a troll fest, out of control.

    You see ppl asking a bunch of questions they can answer themselve if they just read the instruction manual. Internet just gone crazy and I bet it is hard for some brands to "tell the truth" without being accused of marketing strategy.

    I always look at a gear like a beginner, for example someone who want to go full frame. The guy see the Z offering, is interested and then gather infos there and there … it is a mess. Behind this mess there is no conspiracy theory but the truth that some brand deploy more "ressources" to harvest market shares, pure uggly business. Paid "Reviewers" not trustworthy anymore, or reviewers you need to pay to always see the same landscape shoots or unrelated contents.

    Since I tested the 3 brands, Canon R, Sony A7xx and the Z before any buying decisions, I came to the conclusion that the Z's (proper handled) are the best bang for the buck on the long run. I shoot Nikon and Nikon isn't flawless. The Z is more a tank than the D600, D610, DF, D750. In the hands it is almost like a D700/ D850 and this is something important. It is a "tank sans mirror". And when you do everything with your camera this is one big of a key factor.

    The Sony A9 come close but the price is falcon heavy league (and I continue to have hard time with Sony menus). For this price one can be tempted to wait a little bit more and jump Medium Format with the fuji.


    A lot of my friends are sony users and no, I do not bash their choice (but they lurk at the Z)
    The Sony A9 becomes really interesting with the FW updates to be expected over the next months. It's price though is still too high IMO for a 24MP camera although with all its technology built in it seems to be (and will stay to be) the best what can be bought today. My main issue with Sony is that I moved away from them a few years ago since I was burned by their DSLR strategy - I have been one of the first adaptors of the Sony A900! So my trust in their overall strategy is still no longer existent.

    On the other side I shot Nikon throughout most parts of my photography life and while it was not only a love relationship whenever I came back it was like coming home - if you know what I mean. I am now completely out of any Nikon cameras and lenses (except a AA conditioned F3 and FM2 bodies and some manual lenses) but am seriously looking of getting back into this system.

    I have been watching the Z7 but frankly was a bit turned off by its price. The Z6 seems to be of much more value for the buck and while I am currently "only" shooting Olympus 20MP m43 the 24MP of the Z6 would already be a significant upgrade that also offers incredible low light capabilities which m43 will never be able to offer IMHO. So I am very satisfied by your findings about the Z6 and it gets very high on my radar, especially also in the light where Olympus is going with their new flagship EM1X both price but also features and mainly size. Especially when Nikon will come out with their new FW they should offer also decent Eye AF and generally improved AF over the already great capabilities of their Z-cameras, so this makes it even more interesting.

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    No guys, it is just sarcasm and fun ( the Zony part)

    I do not care about brands. It is all about photography and gear is only the tool. But I'm tired by internet since some weeks, on many forums and YouTube channels, seeing ppl really trashing the Z cameras. Dpreview forum and comments are just a troll fest, out of control.
    So you're tired of the trolling at DPreview and other fora so you decide to take your "sarcasm and fun" here?

    That really makes sense and shows a lot of courage

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    The Sony A9 becomes really interesting with the FW updates to be expected over the next months. It's price though is still too high IMO for a 24MP camera although with all its technology built in it seems to be (and will stay to be) the best what can be bought today. My main issue with Sony is that I moved away from them a few years ago since I was burned by their DSLR strategy - I have been one of the first adaptors of the Sony A900! So my trust in their overall strategy is still no longer existent.

    On the other side I shot Nikon throughout most parts of my photography life and while it was not only a love relationship whenever I came back it was like coming home - if you know what I mean. I am now completely out of any Nikon cameras and lenses (except a AA conditioned F3 and FM2 bodies and some manual lenses) but am seriously looking of getting back into this system.

    I have been watching the Z7 but frankly was a bit turned off by its price. The Z6 seems to be of much more value for the buck and while I am currently "only" shooting Olympus 20MP m43 the 24MP of the Z6 would already be a significant upgrade that also offers incredible low light capabilities which m43 will never be able to offer IMHO. So I am very satisfied by your findings about the Z6 and it gets very high on my radar, especially also in the light where Olympus is going with their new flagship EM1X both price but also features and mainly size. Especially when Nikon will come out with their new FW they should offer also decent Eye AF and generally improved AF over the already great capabilities of their Z-cameras, so this makes it even more interesting.
    I understand what you say about Sony Dslr. I was too, years ago, about to jump on the A850 because it was a real tank and A lenses was kind of good. But when they started to """inovate""" with the semi translucent mirror or watever, I closed the door and do not regret it.

    "...It was like coming home..." I know what you mean. It is valid for nikonists as well as Canonists. I do not know if you already tried it but you should take your hands on a Z6. As Jorgen said, the Z6 is the pragmatic choice. The Z7 is expensive but it is a mini D850 so it is justified.

    But my "findings" on the Z6 are just the surface. I'll go deeper, and might join some videos (how to reverse the lens Hood !).

    @pegelli

    My posts here are probably my first posts since almost 2 years on any forum over internet, because I'm a buzzy guy and have poor interest for "forums" now I'm aging. I also never post on Dpreview.

    I'm not a consumer; buying a camera and lenses is not an easy decision. I just find the Z's far more secure than the Axx's, that my point of view and I won't change my mind about it because I see it as a fact, not a phantasm, and not because I want to cherish my new precious Â…


    And since we are on a Nikon forum, I aim Nikon users or ppl who are interested in Nikon gear, not the "others"
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    @pegelli

    My posts here are probably my first posts since almost 2 years on any forum over internet, because I'm a buzzy guy and have poor interest for "forums" now I'm aging. I also never post on Dpreview.

    I'm not a consumer; buying a camera and lenses is not an easy decision. I just find the Z's far more secure than the Axx's, that my point of view and I won't change my mind about it because I see it as a fact, not a phantasm, and not because I want to cherish my new precious Â…


    And since we are on a Nikon forum, I aim Nikon users or ppl who are interested in Nikon gear, not the "others"
    Since you aim Nikon users why take a dig at Sony, there's no need for that, they started this whole FF mirrorless revolution and without them the Z cameras and this thread wouldn't even exist.

    If you don't post on DPreview why get upset at people trolling the Z camera's there, move on and don't worry, certainly if you're as busy as you say you are. Don't do the reverse here, certainly not for "sarcasm and fun" because it's just as bad as what's happening on DPreview.

    My advice to you: "Don't do to others what you don't like that others do to you",

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    Well, I didn't went on the Sony section to speak about nor take crusade over any forum member. You are just a bit sensitive about this.

    "Is that thing feel like a toy Sony camera ? Do you feel the lens catches the mechanical float when you use the focus ring ?

    No. It is a Nikon camera. From a D700 user point of view I am just very happy by the solidity of this camera. Complet faith in it.
    "

    This make me laugh but not that much… because it is my experience with the A7R3 and 24-70 f2.8, in the store. Faulty unit ? For the price I just looked elsewhere.

    If a photographer come here and hesitate between a Sony and the Z, trust me I will push the Z. If you do not like it or can't cope my style feel free to ignore me. You'll never see me interacting on the Sony forum section. This why there is brand section and different phylosophy behind it.


    Hope you'll have a nice day and this pseudo bikering is off (otherwise you'll continue to speak but alone).
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    I'm a Sony shooter. Is it sane to jump on Nikon mirrorless System ?

    What is insane is actually asking this kind of question. Don' t think ! DO ! But first you'll need to burn your clunky jack of all trade with his fancy coloured bayonette. Make it public on YouTube please ! Then your heart and vision will open and expend beyond what you can imagine; you will experiment a mystical rebirth.
    You forgot this one. So much for honesty and full disclosure.

    If that's the best you can do so be it. It's not the brand wars, I couldn't care less what people buy or like, I'm brand agnostic and have shot Olympus, Leica, Nikon, Sony and probably a few others.

    I just don't like it when people try to make fun at the expense of others, that's all.

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    ...they started this whole FF mirrorless revolution and without them the Z cameras and this thread wouldn't even exist.
    Do you truly believe that without Sony Nikon would have never released a FF mirrorless camera?

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    I do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darin Marcus View Post
    Do you truly believe that without Sony Nikon would have never released a FF mirrorless camera?

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    Do you truly believe that without Sony Nikon would have never released a FF mirrorless camera?
    Yes, spec-wise the Z6 looks like an A7ii w/o eye-AF, the Z7 like a A7rii w/o eye AF. That tells me enough (especially since they now promised eye-AF in their firmware update)
    Don't get me wrong, I really like the Nikon Z and Canon R launch, and they are both very capable cameras and more choices is good for everybody since it's been made clear many times by many people that Sony is not for them (cynical and serious). But also realise the same is true for Nikon and Canon.

    But I truly believe it's Sony who gave us these options in the first place by starting with the A7 in 2013.

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    Also lacking in the Zs are the second card slot and even a single SD card slot.

    XQD card, though it is Sony technology, is expensive for what it does especially in the Zs.

    Nikon will eventually move to a better AF and SD cards and such. The next generation Zs will be much better for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by pegelli View Post
    Yes, spec-wise the Z6 looks like an A7ii w/o eye-AF, the Z7 like a A7rii w/o eye AF. That tells me enough (especially since they now promised eye-AF in their firmware update)
    Don't get me wrong, I really like the Nikon Z and Canon R launch, more choices is good for everybody but I truly believe it's Sony who gave us these options in the first place.

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    Let's forget about Sony for a moment. Many photographers, even some Nikon users, have claimed for years that Nikon is way behind, more or less on the edge of the grave. When it became clear that a full frame mirrorless was on its way, predictions stated that it would take years before they would be competitive with (ok then)... Sony. So, when the cameras appeared, much focus was placed on what they could not do, and the "banding problem" in images underexposed by... 6 stops?

    When I focus on what the Z6 can do, I see a camera that is perfectly suited for my, and probably very many other photographers', use. Size is good, ergonomics likewise, lenses seem way better than the average, price is reasonable and it comes from a manufacturer that I have learned to trust through many years of use and abuse. It's the D300 and D700 and D750 all over again, only better. It's a winner, and I'd be surprised if it isn't the most sold FF mirrorless before the end of the year, although one should never count out Canon. Canon has a 49% market share for a reason.

    It's so good that it's almost boring. It is boring actually. When I look at it, I feel like a Volvo owner who, in spite of the new XCsomething, has been looking at Range Rover and Porsche Cayenne and... before realising that the new Volvo is actually more suitable for his needs. And the Thule rack with the ski box that he bought for the previous model will fit on the new one too.

    Nikon doesn't focus on bleeding edge technology and they don't sell by spec sheets. They focus on solutions that work and they sell by references and satisfied customers. Am I a Nikon fanboy? Not really, and at the moment I use Panasonic, but I have a lot of respect for Nikon's approach to business.

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    Also lacking in the Zs are the second card slot and even a single SD card slot.

    XQD card, though it is Sony technology, is expensive for what it does especially in the Zs.

    Nikon will eventually move to a better AF and SD cards and such. The next generation Zs will be much better for sure.
    Well the A7ii and A7rii also have only one card slot so there my comparison holds, it's not until the iii versions that they got two slots.

    And yes, the next generation Z6/7 will be better but so will all the other FF mirrorless brands. Exciting times

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    Brand bickering is so tiresome. Show me your photos and then we'll talk cameras.

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