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    Printers

    I need all advice on this. I have been printing with an HP Photosmart. Does a pretty good job. What are your thoughts on printers capable of producing 11x14 max? Actually, probably 90% in 8x12.

    Epson? What model? or stick with HP?
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    Re: Printers

    Well, hearing nothing, I ordered a Epson R2400. You had your chance...or, I did!!
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    Reynolds, I use the 2400 and really like it. I also use Image Print with it and ma very pleased.

    If you are using "thick media" you will find that this printer cuts off 3/4 inch from both ends (short side). This has brought to an end my use of Ilford museum board media.

    The printer is great, looks cheap, but works well.

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    Re: Printers

    Thanks so much for the confirmation. Everything I read pointed me in that direction. Good to hear I am not heading into a printing nightmare!!

    Many thanks!!
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    Re: Printers

    needed to dump some dough to beat the taxman a bit. got an Epson 4880, because:
    large ink tanks
    roll feed possible
    new inkset
    high build quality
    mostly will use gloss so no ink changes forseen; if so, will go with the imageprint Phat black option

    decided that over the 3800 because of the build quality, large tanks and new inks

    I have a pretty good 2400 i am looking to unload with 25 un-opened new carts. best to pick up in the NYC area, as packaging for shipping is doubtful

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    FWIW, I had an Epson 2200 that was an absolute nightmare. It never worked right, broke down often and after putting over $1000 in repairs (and hundreds of miles to the authorized service center in Omaha) into it, I swore I'd never buy another Epson product again.

    It made the M8 look like an M4.

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    Now, I am feeling weak!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maggie O View Post
    FWIW, I had an Epson 2200 that was an absolute nightmare. It never worked right, broke down often and after putting over $1000 in repairs (and hundreds of miles to the authorized service center in Omaha) into it, I swore I'd never buy another Epson product again...
    Maggie, I don't know about the 2200, but, based on my experience, it shouldn't set you against Epson products: I've had the 1290, 7600 and, now, the 9800 and they all have been excellent. Also keep in mind that the "professional" series of printers (the x8xx series), unlike the "consumer printers" like the 2200 and 2400, are built to much closer tolerances and are sturdier.

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    Funny, back in 2002, the 2200 was supposed to be a pro product. Back in 2002 LL called it the best printer around.

    Anyways, I got a Canon PIXMA Pro9000 for Christmas.

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    Nah, Maggie, calling the 2200 a professional product was just marketing hyperbole. It was clear that the Epson large format printers (the x6xx and now the x8xx series) were built to much tighter specifications than the 2200 and 2400: I use the ImapePrint RIP, which has canned excellent canned paper profiles that have always worked consistently well on the large format printers as opposed to the 2200/2400 because of the tighter specs on the former.

    As for LL, ever since MR raved about the Epson 1270 and, then again, about the 1280 as producing "absolutely neutral B&W straight out of the box" I take what he says with a huge grain of salt, for both of these printers had obvious colour casts in B&W. With the 1280 it was impossible to get consistent B&W without a cast unless one used all black and gray inks, like that of the Piezography system, which is what I ended up using but found the tone too warm. Actually, I don't even waste a grain of salt on MR because I don't trust the guy's eyes, neither on colour nor on image quality. As you can see LL it not my favourite site. Gimme Sean Reid's reviews any day!

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    I'm hoping that my experience with the Canon will be better.

    Obviously, I got suckered with the 2200 and Epson's customer service was painfully reminiscent of Walt's experiences with Leica.

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    Yeah, I believe it Maggie. Luckily I haven't had to deal with Epson service. Here in Bangkok I had to call the dealer for a problem I thought I was having with the cutting mechanism, which I couldn't get to cut the end of a paper roll to get a straight edge. The technician came over an hour later, only to tell me that I had been pressing the wrong button! But the damage wasn't too bad as I had to pay only $30 for the visit.

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    Maggie I too had a bad experience with the 2200. I replaced it with a Canon ipf5000. It had a few issues but all in all it is a good printer. I'm going to purchase a ipf6100 next month. I have had very good customer service with Canon.
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    Good to hear, Mike.

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    Hello all. just wanted to add what some others have said. I have 4800, 9800, and previously 9600, and many others. In 6 years I have had only one problem, one of the carts would not pressure up, called epson, they flew a technician up from dallas the next day and repaired it. I believe the pro series printers have a 24 hr turnaround for repairs in their warranty. Excellent service is all I can say. I do use a canon 9900 for quick 4x6 prints and it has been wonderful also. YMMV. Have a great new year, Steve

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    Chiming a bit late, but I think you made a good choice Reynolds! The 2400 is an excellent printer. The only real downside as I see it is relative to the 3800 the 2400 ink is expensive. (If you factor in the cost of a full set of cartridges, the 3800 and 2400 run out at about the same net purchase price.) BUT if you don't print a lot, the advantage is you are buying ink in smaller quantities as needed. The 2400 also has a smaller footprint and will accept roll papers.
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    Re: Printers

    I myself am thinking of stepping up to the 3800 from my R800. I print glossy mostly as well, so I don't foresee the tank switching issue. Should I purchase this printer online or from a local rep?
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    I just pulled the trigger on an Epson 3800 that arrived yesterday. I'm a total neophyte with regard to using Epson (having used a few Canon printers previously). So, I might have a few questions that I'll have to fire Jack's way in the coming weeks. I'm excited about being able to jump from the 13" to 17" width ... along with the bigger ink tanks.

    I was going to purchase a 2400, but ended up finding a refurbished 3800 at the Epson online store for $995. When I put it in the cart, it further discounted it $100 to $895. That's an excellent price. The printer that arrived looked like it was as close to new as you could get with all of the paperwork, software and full set of inks. We'll see how it works out.

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    Kurt:

    GREAT buy! Epson re-furbs are a real sweet deal. You'll love the 3800. I get amazing color and B&W output using my COLOR profile for both! (Of course, you need a good profile for that to work.) My favorite paper hands down is Harmon Gloss FB Al. Other papers that work especially well, Epson Premium Luster and even Premium Glossy is decent. For art papers and Mat Black (Mk) ink, I prefer Epson Ultra-smooth FIne Art or Hanemuhle Photo Rag.

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    Jack:

    With the 3800, what is the largest cut paper you can buy for it? It would be nice to be able to print full frame 16x24 or what ever the full M8 frame is on a 17" paper.


    If you print panoramics with roll paper, is there a limit to how long the print can be?

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    The biggest CUT sheets I've found are 17x25 --- just perfect for printing 16x24's with a 1/2 inch border You can print up to 37 inches long, so conceivably could cut your own 17 x ?? sheets off 17" roll paper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    ...My favorite paper hands down is Harmon Gloss FB Al. Other papers that work especially well, Epson Premium Luster and even Premium Glossy is decent. For art papers and Mat Black (Mk) ink, I prefer Epson Ultra-smooth FIne Art or Hanemuhle Photo Rag...
    Jack, I find Luster to be an excellent paper, although here in Bangkok I use a Luster knock-off at 30% of the price, as it gives very rich blacks with the Epson K3 inks. For the huge prints (up to 100x150cm or 40x60 inches) that I make on the 9800 printer I assume that not much would be gained by using Harmon Gloss FB Al — or do you think that there would be a visible difference?

    Also, I'm using the ImagePrint RIP, which I like a lot. The only problem that remains is a slight gloss differential on prints with blown-out highlights, which I often have (as part of my "anti-exquisite" aesthetic). But this completely disappears when I wax my prints with Renaissance Wax, which also protects them from fingerprints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtKamka View Post
    I just pulled the trigger on an Epson 3800 that arrived yesterday. I'm a total neophyte with regard to using Epson (having used a few Canon printers previously). So, I might have a few questions that I'll have to fire Jack's way in the coming weeks. I'm excited about being able to jump from the 13" to 17" width ... along with the bigger ink tanks.

    I was going to purchase a 2400, but ended up finding a refurbished 3800 at the Epson online store for $995. When I put it in the cart, it further discounted it $100 to $895. That's an excellent price. The printer that arrived looked like it was as close to new as you could get with all of the paperwork, software and full set of inks. We'll see how it works out.

    Kurt
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    what is the URL of the Epson Store? Specifically, the section dealing with refurb 3800's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch Alland View Post
    Jack, I find Luster to be an excellent paper, although here in Bangkok I use a Luster knock-off at 30% of the price, as it gives very rich blacks with the Epson K3 inks. For the huge prints (up to 100x150cm or 40x60 inches) that I make on the 9800 printer I assume that not much would be gained by using Harmon Gloss FB Al — or do you think that there would be a visible difference?

    Also, I'm using the ImagePrint RIP, which I like a lot. The only problem that remains is a slight gloss differential on prints with blown-out highlights, which I often have (as part of my "anti-exquisite" aesthetic). But this completely disappears when I wax my prints with Renaissance Wax, which also protects them from fingerprints.

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    Hi Mitch:

    It's really more the surface texture of the Harman I like so much --- JUST like traditional air-dried glossy FB wet darkroom paper. The 9800 nd 3800 are using the same inks, and I get outstanding D-Max with the Harman. I definitely think it's worth a try.

    As far as GD, the Harman still has a very slight amount, but significantly less than any other photo paper I've used; it's slightly less white than Premium Luster. One of the tips I give in my printing workshops is to add a print curve with the nose dragged down a few points off 255 to hide the paper's pure surface, thus eliminating GD for the most part

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    Hi Carlos,

    Here's the link:

    http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/B...seBVCookie=yes

    If that doesn't work, just go to www.epsonstore.com and look for the "Clearance Center" link. It looks like they have at least one more available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch Alland View Post
    But this completely disappears when I wax my prints with Renaissance Wax, which also protects them from fingerprints.
    Renaissance Wax? mitch, this is new to me, would you share a bit about this?

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    It's from the UK, produced by Picreator Enterprises Ltd. The label states that it's a micro-crystalline wax polish "blended to a formula used by the British Museum and restoration specialists to revive and protect valuable furniture, leather, paintings, metals, marble, ivory, etc.. Freshens colours and imparts soft sheen."

    In the States it's available from Light Impressions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Hi Mitch:

    It's really more the surface texture of the Harman I like so much --- JUST like traditional air-dried glossy FB wet darkroom paper. The 9800 nd 3800 are using the same inks, and I get outstanding D-Max with the Harman. I definitely think it's worth a try.

    As far as GD, the Harman still has a very slight amount, but significantly less than any other photo paper I've used; it's slightly less white than Premium Luster. One of the tips I give in my printing workshops is to add a print curve with the nose dragged down a few points off 255 to hide the paper's pure surface, thus eliminating GD for the most part

    Cheers,
    Hey jack

    I wonder, have you tried the new Ilford Gold Silk Baryta based paper. To my eyes the surface is more elegant than the Harman and the sheen makes it look less like an RC paper. I got a box of 17x25 sheets for my 3800 and the results so far look really great. If you like I could send you a couple of sheets to try. YMMV

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    Hi Woody:

    I've seen some prints on it and did not like the surface texture --- too much fiber showing through for my tastes This is all about personal tastes, but I personally do not find the Harman FB Al at all resembling RC, and to the contrary the best air-dried glossy fiber-base look I've seen outside of traditional wet silver paper. The Harman is just so nice to my eyes, it's the one I stick with.
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    FWIW, I had an Epson 2200 that was an absolute nightmare. It never worked right, broke down often and after putting over $1000 in repairs (and hundreds of miles to the authorized service center in Omaha) into it, I swore I'd never buy another Epson product again.

    It made the M8 look like an M4.
    Maggie

    The Epson 2200 is acknowledged to be perhaps the worst printer Epson ever built. Fragile, terrible color, reliability etc etc. The only good use for it as I remember (and I had three to keep one alive at all times) was for black and white and you needed imageprint to get that correct.

    The 2400 is a totally different story. It is way above the 2200 in terms of build quality and reliability and with the K3 Inkset and Epson profiles provides very good color indeed. If you can spend a bit more money the 3800 is the jewel in the Epson crown. It is built as professional tool and works incredibly well. It too uses the K3 inkset (as do all the modern X800 printers) but has a different nozzle design and dithering algorithm so provides probably the best output of all the X800 products.

    I have no experience yet with the X880 products but I am told by Charles Cramer from whom I took a recent printing class, that the inclusion of the vivid magenta cartridge provides a wider gamut than the traditional K3 set. Probably not enough of an improvement to warrant selling my 7800 and adding the 7880 though but I will keep an open mind until I get to use one.

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    Well, you know, once bit; twice shy. Just my luck to buy the worst example of something.

    Their customer service really sucked, too. Maybe Epsons are great if you don't live in Nebraska.

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