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Yes, jpegs are always a teaser aren't they?:0Dave, I don't think comparing jpegs tells you much and resizing for the internet (4:3 vs 6:6) robs a little also. I can say there is a considerable difference when comparing the tiff files on a good monitor. But then I have always preferred bw
:clap::clap::clap:So it's not "Medium Format Digital v. Medium Format Film". It's "Medium Format Digital and Medium Format Film". An important point using medium format in my view is the ability to use both.
Youtube "following videos" are chosen by an algorithm and depends on whatever videos the user has watched in the past, so I have no idea what this "19 min. video" could be. And I am not convinced why I should spend 19 minutes of my time.2. Watch this trailer, and the immediately following 19min. Visions of Storytelling video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lKOn4saO-tU
I don't have a Netflix subscription. Moreover, Netflix videos availability is on a country per country basis, so I do not know if I would be able to watch that particular video if I had a subscription.3. Watch Abstract on Netflix (Season 1/Episode 7).. I found this last year after I traded for my 503cxi.
My apologies if my posting offended you. I had no idea.Youtube "following videos" are chosen by an algorithm and depends on whatever videos the user has watched in the past, so I have no idea what this "19 min. video" could be. And I am not convinced why I should spend 19 minutes of my time.
I don't have a Netflix subscription. Moreover, Netflix videos availability is on a country per country basis, so I do not know if I would be able to watch that particular video if I had a subscription.
In a nutshell: please do not blindly refer to videos on a public forum. Not everyone is able to watch them.
On the thread: yes, MF film is nice. Results from my RB67 compare favourably to results from my H4D.
No, it should not be a choice of one or the other unless the artist has a preference for the exclusion. Imo, photography for me is as essential as breathing. Sometimes I breathe slowly and at other times I am so busy that I can barely breathe enough.I've been asking myself lately why I take photos. Apart from the little commercial photography that I still do, which is almost always digital for practical reasons, there are two main categories:
- Snapshots of friends and family. Most of those can be taken with my phone or any kind of compact camera, mostly a GM5 in my case.
- Photos I take for my own pleasure, when I have time, as a hobby or simply to slow down and get some variation from the hectic threadmill that everyday life has become.
For this latter category, I'm increasingly tending towards the opinion that film is a much better medium. I enjoy the slowness of the process, I enjoy the experimentation with different films, I enjoy the suspence waiting for the results, and I enjoy the clockwork nature of older equipment. I even enjoy grain and the imperfections, just as I enjoy the brush strokes and imperfections of paintings.
Most of all though, I enjoy the fact that with many medium format systems, it's possible to use film as well as digital backs on the same camera body, using the same lenses. With the falling prices of older digital backs, it's coming within reach for an increasing number of photographers to use both media.
So it's not "Medium Format Digital v. Medium Format Film". It's "Medium Format Digital and Medium Format Film". An important point using medium format in my view is the ability to use both.
But that doesn’t mean we don’t know anything about it. I’ve shot thousands of rolls of medium format film in my career, and have no nostalgic attraction to it, do not believe it offers anything that special (at least color film) and I lose all the control that I struggled with for decades with film and darkroom that I now have with digital. Film is costly and to me very environmentally unfriendly, and you have to scan it anyway to make prints.Let me guess...
No one on this forum shoots Medium Format film?
Not sure it changes the perspective, that really only happens if you move the camera closer or further. But the digital shot was on a 44x33mm sensor, I assume the film shot would have been a 645 format, to 60x45mm. That’s pretty typical, film exposes a larger surface area than the sensors we use on medium format. I assume in this shot, the cropping was just a little different, perhaps because on the film shot he had a little more to play with.Wow, John!
That comparison is really cool. Same lens yet wider perspective with film! I will move to the big screen on the computer firca closer look! Stay tuned, be
right back!
I understand your perspective on digital and film.But that doesn’t mean we don’t know anything about it. I’ve shot thousands of rolls of medium format film in my career, and have no nostalgic attraction to it, do not believe it offers anything that special (at least color film) and I lose all the control that I struggled with for decades with film and darkroom that I now have with digital. Film is costly and to me very environmentally unfriendly, and you have to scan it anyway to make prints.
Not sure it changes the perspective, that really only happens if you move the camera closer or further. But the digital shot was on a 44x33mm sensor, I assume the film shot would have been a 645 format, to 60x45mm. That’s pretty typical, film exposes a larger surface area than the sensors we use on medium format. I assume in this shot, the cropping was just a little different, perhaps because on the film shot he had a little more to play with.
No different that using different size films.
Yikes! I am working on that!!!Dave, just wait until you get those larger-format 4x5 transparencies back...
So how did those turn out?Wow! My first 120 Velvia images!!!!
Today, I dropped off my Velvia rolls of slide film to be scanned. I have spent the last two days looking at those lovely frames and I am lost for words because they are stunning. It is true that slide film on a light table is amazing and even possibly better when projected!
But these will be scanned and I have no idea how the scanning will turn out but I am so looking forward to working with the final scans. Having shot 35mm slide film for decades, I was not prepared to see those beautiful 120 film images.
It is true what they say about Medium Format!!! It simply rocks!
Binbin,So how did those turn out?
Anyway, I got some of mine back, I'll just post them without any additional comment, simply because for me there's no additional conclusions to be made except that I love Velvia 50 and I enjoy using it (but aren't we all here because of that?) :grin:
Victoria Harbour
by BB, on Flickr
Victoria Harbour
by BB, on Flickr
Kowloon Peak
by BB, on Flickr
Kowloon Peak
by BB, on Flickr
Shanghai Pudong CBD
by BB, on Flickr
Shanghai Pudong CBD
by BB, on Flickr
Lastly some mandatory camera porn just for the hell of it! To be able to catch the best light on both film and digital, I've just put together this contraption which allows me to mount two camera bodies (with two different lenses because the FoV on 6x9 film and 645 are quite different) on the same tripod head, which makes life a little easier and less nerve-wrecking when the best light only lasts for a few minutes...
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Well actually, some components of this bars setup was supposed to double as a long lens support, but I found out that it is too heavy as it is now. RRS stuff may the best out there but sometimes they’re just overkill for the job, so I’m looking for a lighter more portable setup, which should also fit easier in my bag without disassembly. Anyway, finding new gear to purchase is part of the fun of photography I guess......Binbin,
Wow, great images here. Really!
And the film+digital setup is brilliant and quite impressive! What cross bar and such did you use? I have a proposal in to the hospital for doing something similar and I await their new budget approval before receiving the word to get to work. I like your setup better than my setup which uses a B&H Photo crossbar and a MacBook Pro tether table.
Regarding my scans... hmm.. I received both rolls and the Velvia 50, shot at 100 ISO turned out very well! my first result was posted yesterday on the Fun with Medium Format Images thread and compared with a similar previous image from the 59c digital back.
The other roll... Velvia 100.., <sigh>...The scans were simply botched by the lab in spite of fantastic images on the light table. Everything from black spots to artifacts were everywhere and the images were both flat and overexposed. So, I now must find someone to re-scan the entire roll. Wish I had access to an X1 scanner!
So, my results are still not ready to share. Some days are diamonds, and some are just rocks. Still working on them though!