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Fun with the RX-1

docmoore

Subscriber and Workshop Member
Moved from the RX-1 to the 1r......

Seems to be a good choice...for me.


Sony RX-1R

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gnarzwarz

New member
RX-1 Colors

Coming from a humble Nex 5, I'm obviously impressed with the quality of the RX1 shots posted here, and I bow in awe before the skill of the photographers. What touches me particularly is the color rendition (e.g., the death valley shots by Joe, the Net Fence by Helena, and many others). On my Nex, I often just can't get it right despite shooting RAW and tweaking in Lightroom 5. Sunsets seem especially difficult, and the last sunset I truly liked dates back to my film days.

As an example, consider the following shot (RAW). It was taken in gorgeous golden hour light, but no matter what I do (WB, contrast, etc.) it looks either too dull or too yellow, and never golden. There's also a difference in tones between face, sand, and bridge that doesn't look natural to me.

Are there ways I can improve color rendition with my Nex (such as WB adjustment on site), or can I use this as an excuse to justify the purchase of an RX1?
 
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Vivek

Guest
Re: RX-1 Colors

Coming from a humble Nex 5, I'm obviously impressed with the quality of the RX1 shots posted here, and I bow in awe before the skill of the photographers. What touches me particularly is the color rendition (e.g., the death valley shots by Joe, the Net Fence by Helena, and many others). On my Nex, I often just can't get it right despite shooting RAW and tweaking in Lightroom 5. Sunsets seem especially difficult, and the last sunset I truly liked dates back to my film days.

As an example, consider the following shot (RAW). It was taken in gorgeous golden hour light, but no matter what I do (WB, contrast, etc.) it looks either too dull or too yellow, and never golden. There's also a difference in tones between face, sand, and bridge that doesn't look natural to me.

Are there ways I can improve color rendition with my Nex (such as WB adjustment on site), or can I use this as an excuse to justify the purchase of an RX1?
I have shot inages like that on film. I would think exposure as well as WB are the reasons. Easy to play around with both. As you allude to, the RX1 will not turn out to be a magical tool on its own(despite all the tech advantages it has over a NEX5).
 

Shashin

Well-known member
Re: RX-1 Colors

Coming from a humble Nex 5, I'm obviously impressed with the quality of the RX1 shots posted here, and I bow in awe before the skill of the photographers. What touches me particularly is the color rendition (e.g., the death valley shots by Joe, the Net Fence by Helena, and many others). On my Nex, I often just can't get it right despite shooting RAW and tweaking in Lightroom 5. Sunsets seem especially difficult, and the last sunset I truly liked dates back to my film days.

As an example, consider the following shot (RAW). It was taken in gorgeous golden hour light, but no matter what I do (WB, contrast, etc.) it looks either too dull or too yellow, and never golden. There's also a difference in tones between face, sand, and bridge that doesn't look natural to me.

Are there ways I can improve color rendition with my Nex (such as WB adjustment on site), or can I use this as an excuse to justify the purchase of an RX1?
It is a matter of learning how to see and controlling your process. One of the hardest things in color photography is to be able to judge color and judge color as "natural." (And what you imagined you saw may not actually be what you saw, and the camera will "see" in its own way.) While I would like to say all you have to do is X, Y, and Z, it is just not that simple. It is going to come from experience and learning. All of this is independent of the camera. (Naturally, you color manage your working environment.)

BTW, if you are getting your contrast, but the color seem to be too saturated, then just desaturate. Contrast does change saturation.
 

gnarzwarz

New member
Re: RX-1 Colors

@Vivek, thanks for the comments -- you're confirming my worst fears. ;-)

@Shashin, looking at your wonderful cloud picture #802, did you do anything in particular to get the gorgeous colors? How did you set WB? I've shot skies like this but never came even close.
 

biglouis

Well-known member
I am extremely pleased with the colour rendition of my RX1. Perhaps a tad oversaturated but I'd rather reduce saturation than try to increase it. Also, very very sharp when corrected in Lightroom 5.

I am quite attracted to a second body, either the Nex-5 or 7 since the announcement of the 16-70 Carl Zeiss f4 zoom. Together with the RX1 that would make a useful combination for my kind of photography.

However, my assumption has always been that I would get the same look with a Nex camera as I do with my RX1.

Is this the case?

LouisB
 
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Vivek

Guest
I am quite attracted to a second body, either the Nex-5 or 7 since the announcement of the 16-70 Carl Zeiss f4 zoom.

LouisB
Louis, One big advantage of a compact or P&S being a standalone unit is that you can choose any brand and any system. Why restrict yourself to a Sony or a NEX?
 
However, my assumption has always been that I would get the same look with a Nex camera as I do with my RX1.

Is this the case?

LouisB
No, each sensor is unique and comparing my RX1 images to my NEX shots illustrates that plainly.

That said, the signatures are much closer than a comparison between Fuji X cameras and NEX or the RX1 and my Ricoh GR...
 
Louis, One big advantage of a compact or P&S being a standalone unit is that you can choose any brand and any system. Why restrict yourself to a Sony or a NEX?
Vivek,

It looks like Louis is looking at a system camera for his second body and is wondering if the NEX sensor would behave similar to the RX1.

I can understand wanting to "keep it in the family" for workflow management, especially if you have a distinct style you wish to replicate across cameras.
 
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Vivek

Guest
Neo Soul singer, Natasha Lee. Shot for Red Bull at the Red Bull Sound Select show in Austin, TX, last Saturday...

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Chad,

I understood that. None of the NEX' ((I have most of them) can do an image like you show. The DR is not there at all.

The hope is the rumored FF NEX.
 

biglouis

Well-known member
Louis, One big advantage of a compact or P&S being a standalone unit is that you can choose any brand and any system. Why restrict yourself to a Sony or a NEX?
I agree. I have both Sigma DPx and the Sony RX1 cameras and they are horses for courses.

No, each sensor is unique and comparing my RX1 images to my NEX shots illustrates that plainly.

That said, the signatures are much closer than a comparison between Fuji X cameras and NEX or the RX1 and my Ricoh GR...
I really like the RX1 sensor - I think it is the best sensor in any digital camera I have owned.

Vivek,

It looks like Louis is looking at a system camera for his second body and is wondering if the NEX sensor would behave similar to the RX1.

I can understand wanting to "keep it in the family" for workflow management, especially if you have a distinct style you wish to replicate across cameras.
I am definitely looking at a system camera. The compacts are nice but I now have the problem that I am lugging three compacts! Not much different to a single camera and three lenses.

I was thinking about a Sony A99 because I like the sensor in the RX1 so much but I'm not convinced about the range of lenses available.

Next, I thought about the Nikon D600, on the assumption that it is probably using the same sensor. And Zeiss glass. But as with the A99, it is bigger and heavier than I really want.

Finally, I am actually thinking of going back to m43rds(!) despite my negativity towards the system, the lenses are good and (perhaps?) the improvements in the dynamic range of the sensors in the GX-7 and the new Olympus model are real?

Decisions, decisions.

LouisB
 
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Vivek

Guest
Finally, I am actually thinking of going back to m43rds(!) despite my negativity towards the system, the lenses are good and (perhaps?) the improvements in the dynamic range of the sensors in the GX-7 and the new Olympus model are real?

Decisions, decisions.

LouisB
Who are we kidding? :shocked:
 

woodmancy

Subscriber Member
A word of caution . . .

To everyone figuring out the next direction to try - don't go near the Nikon 1. Trust me :lecture:

Keith
 
I was thinking about a Sony A99 because I like the sensor in the RX1 so much but I'm not convinced about the range of lenses available.

Decisions, decisions.

LouisB
I'm not a fan of the A99 but not due to the lack of lenses. So much excellent and cheap Minolta legacy glass out there. I just picked up a Minolta AF 50mm f/1.7 for $29 and it is better than anything I shot on Canon in that range, including their f/1.4.
 

eleanorbrown

New member
Been shooting with my RX1R on our Snake River by my home in central Colorado high country. We've had so much rain the river is at levels usually seen in early summer after snow melt! The RX1R does a good job at rendering the smooth tones. I'm using a 6 stop ND filter and iso speeds 64 to 100....f stops 5.6 to 11. I've been so enchanted with this little "pocket sized" camera I haven't been able to pull my Nikon D800e out of the bag....or any other camera I have, for that matter......Eleanor





 
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