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    The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Might it be useful for us all to pull together what is currently known about adaptors for users of other system lenses on the new Sonys?

    AFAIK there will be a huge adaptor fest fuelled by the slow availability of the new system specific lenses and the fact that not a lot of us own Alpha mount lenses.

    Whilst it's clear that individual pairings will have individual 'issues' (such as small throat problems, ray angle problems etc) can we combine to make a knowledge base in one thread as to what there is and will be in terms of things to try?

    For example, it seems that the Metabones line of Nikon to E adaptors will work because they are 'full frame ready' - but the SpeedBoosters are not and will cause the camera to default to APS mode.

    Not having adapted a Nikon lens to anything, I am a bit hazy on what will and won't work. For example, I assume that for a mixed bag of Nikon mount lenses such as mine, I will need two adaptors, one for F and one for G mount. Maybe I'm wrong?

    It sure sounds like there's a better chance of Canon TS lenses working well than Nikon PCE and that has been partially covered in some other threads but again, one place for all adaptor information might be useful?

    So knock us out: what adaptors are you ordering in advance? What logic are you applying? Who sells them already and who are you waiting for product announcements and supply from?
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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    I will start the ball rolling: just been looking at the Novoflex site and it imlies that their regular Nikon lens to Sony E mount camera adaptor will work for the A7s and that this will work for both F and G lenses (I think?) but it also says

    Special note for Nikon lens adapters:
    With few Nikkor lenses of the G-series the weather sealing of the lens has to be removed.
    This does not affect the function of the lens, of course.


    However, when it says 'few' it doesn't really help know which lenses will be affected. Any ideas?

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    Okay, I'll bite. SAR posted a link to this video showing the Techart AF capable adapter for Contax G lenses attached to an A7. It's the version 2 (which I have). Glad it wasn't restricted to APS-C sensors.

    [DEO-Tech] Contax G Adapter Mark2 EAGLE tesing on Sony A7 - YouTube

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    I specifically avoid over priced adapters. I have a dozen adapters for the E mount and they all work just fine. This is all very very old news.

    One tip I have is to avoid resellers. Buy them directly from HK/Taiwan or PRC where they are made.

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    - but the SpeedBoosters are not and will cause the camera to default to APS mode.
    How do you know that, Tim? Wrong information.

    AFAIK, there is no "default" image area mode in the A7/7R. It is user decided.

    It is not clear if all lenses will only cover APS-C when used with the Speed Booster. Couple of lenses I tried appear to illuminate FF although it isn't clear whether they will cover (ie, decent sharp corners) the whole FF.

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Sony Australia are giving away an E to EOS Metabones adapter when an A7R body is purchased.

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jfirneno View Post
    Okay, I'll bite. SAR posted a link to this video showing the Techart AF capable adapter for Contax G lenses attached to an A7. It's the version 2 (which I have). Glad it wasn't restricted to APS-C sensors.

    [DEO-Tech] Contax G Adapter Mark2 EAGLE tesing on Sony A7 - YouTube

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    Looks promising John. Looking forward to using the one currently mounted on my NEX6 on an A7r.
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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Adapter makers, that I have adapters from, for
    R to M, R to E, R to MFT, M to E, M to MFT,
    Leitz V to R, V to Nikon F, F to E,
    Nikon G to M, G to E, G to MFT, G to X:

    Fotodiox
    Hawk's Factory
    Kipon
    Metabones
    Novoflex
    Phigmenttech

    IMHO adapters can be inexpensive and relatively well made, but also cheap and not well made.
    Adapters can also be expensive, but not overpriced as they are extremely well made.

    LensRentals had an interesting post on adapters that I highly recommend.

    Of course, there are other adapter makers.
    But I already have way too many from the companies I listed!
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jfirneno View Post
    Okay, I'll bite. SAR posted a link to this video showing the Techart AF capable adapter for Contax G lenses attached to an A7. It's the version 2 (which I have). Glad it wasn't restricted to APS-C sensors.

    [DEO-Tech] Contax G Adapter Mark2 EAGLE tesing on Sony A7 - YouTube

    Regards,
    John
    Wow ! Finally a true FF digital back for my Zeiss Contax G lenses. I'm impressed by the AF speed. But can you still adjust the focus manually ? (Just in case the AF doesn't work optimally). This makes the A7/7r very tempting.

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    How do you know that, Tim? Wrong information.

    AFAIK, there is no "default" image area mode in the A7/7R. It is user decided.

    It is not clear if all lenses will only cover APS-C when used with the Speed Booster. Couple of lenses I tried appear to illuminate FF although it isn't clear whether they will cover (ie, decent sharp corners) the whole FF.
    it says so on their website..."Speed Booster® is NOT compatible with full-frame Sony A7, A7R or NEX-VG900. When Speed Booster® is used with Sony A7, A7R or NEX-VG900, the camera will turn on the "APS-C Size Capture" mode automatically."
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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    This is all very very old news.[/SIZE][/B]
    One man's old news is another man's news...
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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    it says so on their website..."Speed Booster® is NOT compatible with full-frame Sony A7, A7R or NEX-VG900. When Speed Booster® is used with Sony A7, A7R or NEX-VG900, the camera will turn on the "APS-C Size Capture" mode automatically."
    Wrong information, nevertheless.

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Wrong information, nevertheless.
    I have little to go on other than what the manufacturer website says: if I made a purchase thinking they were wrong and then it turned out that they were right, and they had given due warning, I would have no right to complain. Since what I have reproduced here is an exact quote from their website, I htink it fair to make people aware of it...

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    I think the Metabones owner is a member here and I hope he will address this.

    EDIT: While the E to EOS is the only "smart adapter" the rest are "dumb". Even with a "smart adapter" I would not want the adapter to control the camera. When one enables shoot without lens option, whatever gets projected will be seen by the sensor. Adapter or not.
    Last edited by Vivek; 11th November 2013 at 06:00. Reason: Addition

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    He might also like to add a comment on the difference between G and nonG lenses in terms of adaptors: Novoflex seems to offer one adaptor that works for both but the Metabones site is pretty unclear...

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    He might also like to add a comment on the difference between G and nonG lenses in terms of adaptors: Novoflex seems to offer one adaptor that works for both but the Metabones site is pretty unclear...
    Leaving aside the brands.. it is a matter of simple lens construction.

    A non G adapter is just a tube that connects the camera to the lens. F mount lenses that are A, AI and AiS (including PC Nikkors) have a real aperture ring on the lens itself. So, one adjust/controls the aperture there.

    The G Nikkor lenses do not have an aperture ring but still have an aperture lever that can be controlled via a coupling present in the G adapters.

    A G adapter can make full (meaning change the aperture) use of all the Nikkors* (A, AI, AiS, AF, AF-D and G) while a non G adapter is useful for lenses with an aperture ring.

    * The new PC-E Nikkors can not be used. To set the aperture on a PC-E Nikkor, one needs a current Nikon body, set the aperture there and dismount the lens from the camera while the camera is still on.

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Annna T View Post
    Wow ! Finally a true FF digital back for my Zeiss Contax G lenses. I'm impressed by the AF speed. But can you still adjust the focus manually ? (Just in case the AF doesn't work optimally). This makes the A7/7r very tempting.
    Anna:

    The "manual" focus is via a motor driven screw built into the adapter. There is a little lever on the adapter that you push clockwise or counter-clockwise to focus in or out. Actually works quite well but different from a manual focus experience. There is no direct linkage to aperture so you have to set aperture manually on the lens and change the setting in your camera to keep the exposure straight. It's definitely not a smooth system but you do get to use your Contax G lenses. I'm reasonably happy with it.

    Regards,
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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Well, I have a Noct Nikkor 58/1.2 lens that can be used with Nikon F or G to E adapter on a NEX camera. With the F to E adapter one uses the aperture ring on the lens. With the G to E adapter the lens aperture gets set with the adapter aperture ring. Although the adapter ring has no or no meaningful markings it's easy to set the correct aperture with the help of the camera light meter. This works for me in camera A(perture) mode:

    Attach lens with adapter to camera.
    Switch camera on. Point camera at something, preferably evenly illuminated.
    Start at either end of aperture, either wide open or closed down.
    Make a mental note of exposure time in EVF.
    Start turning the adapter aperture ring.
    Count f-stop changes by counting factors of 2 changes in exposure times.
    Stop at desired f-stop.
    Done.

    Now that the desired f-stop is set use until another f-stop is needed.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Although the adapter ring has no or no meaningful markings..
    K-H, It is my understanding that the Metabones E to Nikon G adapter has meaningful markings:



    The aperture markings* on the adapter coincides with that of a Nikon AIS lens.

    Most others (if not all the other brands) just have an open or close and with no meaningful markings for aperture settings on the adapter.

    *There is a bit of geometrical calculations involved. There are numerous discussions on the web about AI vs AIS aperture calibrations, in case anyone is interested.

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    K-H, It is my understanding that the Metabones E to Nikon G adapter has meaningful markings:



    The aperture markings* on the adapter coincides with that of a Nikon AIS lens.

    Most others (if not all the other brands) just have an open or close and with no meaningful markings for aperture settings on the adapter.

    *There is a bit of geometrical calculations involved. There are numerous discussions on the web about AI vs AIS aperture calibrations, in case anyone is interested.

    Sorry Vivek. That's simply BS.
    On one of their adapters the aperture ring wouldn't turn at all.
    On another it wouldn't change the aperture until the last little bit.
    What gives?
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    What is BS? That I pointed out something is calibrated and others are not?

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    What is BS? That I pointed out something is calibrated and others are not?
    It's not calibrated on the adapters Metabones sent me.
    That's all. I guess that's the difference between theory and actuality.
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    I'll be using the Phigmenttech and Hawk's with M mount. But still going to wait a bit before diving into another new camera.
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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    So here's a question: do any of the Nikon lens to E mount adaptors offer autofocus functions? The websites of some of these people are truly opaque!

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    None so far.

    About that opaqueness, yes.

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Uh oh! There are references to Metabones adapters there!

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    I guess that my Contax (RTS III) lenses will never be usable on this camera, correct? The G and G2 lenses are adaptable, but not the Contax/Yashica???

    TIA,

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by JoelM View Post
    I guess that my Contax (RTS III) lenses will never be usable on this camera, correct? The G and G2 lenses are adaptable, but not the Contax/Yashica???

    TIA,

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    Joel, Type your query in eBay and find out for yourself how many adapters are out there!

    (C/Y lenses are even used on Canon EOS cams using adapters!)

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    So here's a question: do any of the Nikon lens to E mount adaptors offer autofocus functions? The websites of some of these people are truly opaque!
    Tim,

    No, not as far as I know.
    Canon's lens mount is all electronic.
    That's not the case for the Nikon F mount apparently which has some consequences.
    With best regards, K-H.
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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by segedi View Post
    I'll be using the Phigmenttech and Hawk's with M mount. But still going to wait a bit before diving into another new camera.
    Thanks. The Phigmenttech is my favorite M to E adapter when shooting handheld.
    I also have the Hawk's Factory M to E, and M to MFT adapter.
    However, extending the adapter by the maximum 3 mm forward can create focus problems for FLE lenses.

    Sony A7r some full resolution test shots - FM Forums
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfirneno View Post
    Anna:

    The "manual" focus is via a motor driven screw built into the adapter. There is a little lever on the adapter that you push clockwise or counter-clockwise to focus in or out. Actually works quite well but different from a manual focus experience. There is no direct linkage to aperture so you have to set aperture manually on the lens and change the setting in your camera to keep the exposure straight. It's definitely not a smooth system but you do get to use your Contax G lenses. I'm reasonably happy with it.

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    +1 and also manual focusing with the adapter engages peaking in the NEX (and presumably the A7r as well) with the option for magnification also.
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    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Here's my experience with a range of adapters for X to FourThirds SLR, X to Micro-FourThirds, and X to M-bayonet:

    Fotodiox decent quality but lots of thickness variance.
    Metabones wouldn't mount six of ten of my Leica M lenses.
    Cirrus works well but sloppy fit.
    Rayqual works as advertised.
    Voigtländer works as advertised.
    Novoflex works better than advertised.

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    I have to say that my best so far have also been Novoflex...
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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    +1 and also manual focusing with the adapter engages peaking in the NEX (and presumably the A7r as well) with the option for magnification also.
    All good news ! Thanks Carl and John for the feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Here's my experience with a range of adapters for X to FourThirds SLR, X to Micro-FourThirds, and X to M-bayonet:

    Fotodiox decent quality but lots of thickness variance.
    Metabones wouldn't mount six of ten of my Leica M lenses.
    Cirrus works well but sloppy fit.
    Rayqual works as advertised.
    Voigtländer works as advertised.
    Novoflex works better than advertised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    I have to say that my best so far have also been Novoflex...

    Novoflex adapters are the best purely mechanical ones that I have encountered.
    The Phigmenttech M to E adapter makes an electrical connection.
    It can enter the focal length into the Exif and can be set to engage magnification as soon as the lens is being focused.
    More here. https://www.phigmenttech.ca/lmnex/in...p?page=product
    With best regards, K-H.

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    I have various makes of adapters (fotodiox, voigtlander, Hawks and some really cheap ones) and have bought some Novoflex ones (most used) primarily for the tripod collar so I can use longer MF lenses on the Nex 6 without straining the body mount. I find they are excellent - but have had no problems with any adapter so far. The only complaint is a Fotodiox with a tripod foot - the adapter was OK but the foot was flimsily attached to the adapter.
    I like my Hawks adapter for Leica M lenses, but it's the first version and not as user friendly as the newer ones. I might spring for the Voigtlander helical eventually. My Voigtlander Leica M adapter is very well made IMO

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Regarding the very interesting Phigment LM-NEX adapter, this is from their site:

    Regarding International Sales
    Tue, 01 Oct 2013 10:00:00 -0400
    Hi Everybody,

    Many questions regarding international sales and shipping have come in over the past few days. At the time, I indicated that I will look in to making this available. After doing some investigation the decision was made that it is not something we can reasonably support for the following reasons:

    Sales Restrictions: I do not have the resources to generate the appropriate documentation required for various international standards bodies. Even if I did, the process would take a minimum of 4 weeks and possibly cost more than it's worth.
    Service Standards: The passion for photography and technology development is what inspired and drove this product. If there is one thing I've learned through experience, it's that promising too much or extending too far beyond one's capabilities is a sure way to have the end product suffer. Ultimately, it makes the most sense to support what you know in order to give the best customer service.
    I apologize for any false hope, but until this company grows and acquires the required resources, it will only be able to support the North American markets.

    Sincerely,
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    I guess we "Internationals" have to order via Karl-Heinz ...

    Kind regards.
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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by k-hawinkler View Post
    Novoflex adapters are the best purely mechanical ones that I have encountered.
    The Phigmenttech M to E adapter makes an electrical connection.
    It can enter the focal length into the Exif and can be set to engage magnification as soon as the lens is being focused.
    More here. https://www.phigmenttech.ca/lmnex/in...p?page=product
    K-H,

    Thanks for that info... I may have finally found a replacement for my M9, and this adapter will transfer the FL info, which will be handy, for sure.... especially if we can assign lens corrections to the lens in LR or other software automatically. That could solve any minor color shift problem in the corners (but not smearing, unfortunately).

    I, along with many, many others, are waiting with bated breath for the results of the wide angle M lenses tests... I figure I can't really lose, though, as I have a fairly complete assortment of R lenses adapted to the Sony mount, so if I go for the M lenses or the R lenses, I'll be running happily with the a7r, along with the a900 that I love deeply.

    I'm still a bit unhappy that Sony decided to kill the OVF before making one more pro grade camera.

    ---Michael
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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Incase someone reading doesn't have any adapters my experience is that I started off getting the adapters for the mounts I had, Nikon F, M42, MD/MC, C/Y, EF and later Contax G, to E mount. But then I started to get 2 adapters to make use of functionality like the helicoid adapter or the speedbooster. So now I have for instance LM to MD/MC, or EF to C/Y and I attach to LM to E or EF to E adapters. I don't find that there is any disadvantage to a double adapter but I have adapters I like more than others like the voightlander F to E mount.

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    I have to say that my best so far have also been Novoflex...
    Tim, Do you own or use a Novoflex adapter for the E mount?

    (FWIW, I have >12 adapters made by Novoflex none for the E mount)

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    Yes, my M>E is a novoflex...

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Tim, Do you own or use a Novoflex adapter for the E mount?

    (FWIW, I have >12 adapters made by Novoflex none for the E mount)
    Hello Mr. Novoflex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjm6 View Post
    K-H,

    Thanks for that info... I may have finally found a replacement for my M9, and this adapter will transfer the FL info, which will be handy, for sure.... especially if we can assign lens corrections to the lens in LR or other software automatically. That could solve any minor color shift problem in the corners (but not smearing, unfortunately).

    I, along with many, many others, are waiting with bated breath for the results of the wide angle M lenses tests... I figure I can't really lose, though, as I have a fairly complete assortment of R lenses adapted to the Sony mount, so if I go for the M lenses or the R lenses, I'll be running happily with the a7r, along with the a900 that I love deeply.

    I'm still a bit unhappy that Sony decided to kill the OVF before making one more pro grade camera.



    ---Michael
    ME TOO! I have been hanging on to my A900 waiting for an upgrade 36 Mp sensor Sony OVF camera. I got tired of waiting and bought a D800E and lenses....but I still have a bunch of beautiful Zeiss, Sony G and Minolta lenses. I ordered an A7R, but I still greatly prefer an OVF.
    Dave in NJ

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    I have posted the following question on FM Forum but have received only one reply so am re-posting here.

    I hope to have one of the new A7(R) cameras in the next few weeks - haven't yet made up my mind as to which but leaning to the A7. I have a number of alternate lenses and have adapters for LM (metabones, Voigtlander) and MD (Novoflex) to Nex. However, I have no Canon EF to E-mount adapter and would like advice as to a reliable make. I should say at the outset that I shall not be adapting any Canon EF lenses so will not need the expensive Metabones Smart Adapter for EF. However, I do have several Olympus OM and Leica-R lenses which have been Leitaxed for use on my Canon 6D and which I should like to use, thus adapted for Canon, on the A7. I have heard mixed opinions about the build of the Fotodiox adapter but can find no other since Novoflex and Metabones do not do one for manual focus / aperture ring EF mount lenses. Maybe the Fotodiox Pro is the only choice unless anyone can suggest otherwise.

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    If they have been chipped you want focus conformation, exif data etc, so you need an adapter with a chip. Why not try the Viltrox?

    If you live in the US there seems to be a free adapter present of your choice when you buy an A7 (metabones)

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Michiel, That one might work only for APS-C. The baffle needs modification to avoid clipping.

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    Of course, we are talking Full Frame now.
    I still have to get used at that.
    I think we need more time for the market to come up with alternatives.

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    Re: The A7/R Adaptor thread

    I saw a video recently (maybe from Australia) mentioning that there is some type of promotion where Sony is including a Metabones adapter with a purchase of a Sony A7r. Is this for real? Is this for real?
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