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    Sony techcam examples

    Greetings,

    can I suggest that example pictures of "Sony techcam evolutions", be it Chiek's ingenious adaptation or the newly announced Cambo Actus or others are shown here in this thread?

    I am very interested to see the first examples and read about personal experiences.

    Just an idea...

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    I'm 1st tester.

    sigma 12-24 lens set to 24mm.
    2 shot stitched.
    original pixels are 8900 x 7300 px

    another day shot,
    Gallery interior

    MF nikkor 20mm lens
    approx 5mm up shift.
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    I was very busy on my job.

    Resort Room interior shot



    No post production, all files are sigma 12-24.

    I think a half of my works are made by this 680/a7 camera. the others are still MFDB.
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    Results and the camersystem itself, looking very good in deed!

    What 3-way are you using there?

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    Hi Chiek, good job with your camera. I just wish I had a set up like that.
    One comment though is that the lens in not a good performer or at least without doing some software corrections. The second image that you show, the gallery interior, is got barrel distortion.
    Maybe in a near future you can set me up with one of your cameras.
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    Goldmund Showroom Renewal in Seoul.

    12-24 sigma lens set to F11.
    very easy perspective control and large live view with ipad.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Georg Baumann View Post
    Results and the camersystem itself, looking very good in deed!

    What 3-way are you using there?
    Sorry for late and thanks for interest.

    I'm using manfrotto 3029, professional 3way head and 410 Junior 3way geared head.

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    Just received the Cambo Actus today from CI. Just as Steve described in his blog. A beautiful, well constructed little view camera. Smooth and positive movements, easy setup and a joy to use with the A7R. So far I've only tried it with the Hasselblad 60mm CF (still need to try the 40, 80, and 120), Nikkor sw 65mm f/4 and Rodenstock 100mm Sironar S LF lenses. The Hassy 60, Nikkor 65, and Rodenstock 100 all work fine. I just did a quick 6 shot pano (camera in landscape orientation) using rise/fall and L/R shift with the Rodenstock 100 and then stitched in AutoPanoPro. More to come.



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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    Just received the Cambo Actus today from CI. Just as Steve described in his blog. A beautiful, well constructed little view camera. Smooth and positive movements, easy setup and a joy to use with the A7R. So far I've only tried it with the Hasselblad 60mm CF (still need to try the 40, 80, and 120), Nikkor sw 65mm f/4 and Rodenstock 100mm Sironar S LF lenses. The Hassy 60, Nikkor 65, and Rodenstock 100 all work fine. I just did a quick 6 shot pano (camera in landscape orientation) using rise/fall and L/R shift with the Rodenstock 100 and then stitched in AutoPanoPro. More to come.



    Original, 103 MP, link here
    A few more sample shots using the Actus.
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    Chiek - what software are you using for your iPad live view from the Sony? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyPtak View Post
    Chiek - what software are you using for your iPad live view from the Sony? Thanks
    it is default software, smart remote control.
    must needs upgrade. first version has very poor function.

    the last has better function but i am not satisfied yet.
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    Re: Sony techcam examples

    FYI folks. Thought this might be of interest for Sony folks. I will be reviewing the new Cambo Aptus view camera with my A7r. Not sure what lenses they are sending but should be a interest for many I hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    FYI folks. Thought this might be of interest for Sony folks. I will be reviewing the new Cambo Aptus view camera with my A7r. Not sure what lenses they are sending but should be a interest for many I hope.
    Time to get that hammer out and slaughter the piggy bank, you will not let that unit go back would be my prediction.

    Very nice, looking forward to that Guy!

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    Re: Sony techcam examples

    from what i have seen, the actus looks like a very fine device. the issues will be what lenses work well with shifts and tilts and what lenses fit between the standard and the camera.
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    John that's the big question. Hopefully I can figure that out.
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    Infiniti QX60 Hybrid commercial shot.


    Nikkor MF25-50, 45mm set with 5mm up shift. F16, 1/2sec. ISO 800 (?)
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    Having played with the Actus for a few days, here are few quick observation. All the movement are super smooth. I love the magnetic hood attachment and wish my Linhof techno has something similar. The camera is very light, but feel really solid on a tripod or even handheld. I tried the Actus with Schneider 47mm XL large format lens (non-digital), the Rodenstock 50mm HR and the Nikon 14-24 (by holding in front of the camera). If I were to have one, the Rodenstock 50mm and Nikon 14-24mm are the lenses to go with the camera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chiek View Post
    Infiniti QX60 Hybrid commercial shot.
    Hi Chieck,

    Just curious, may I ask, was it the final productshot that they accepted for a campaign? Or was it one of your suggestions for their consideration?

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    Hi Yatlee,
    Just wondering, I was under the impression that the Cambo Actus can not accept either Canon Eos or Nikon mount lenses..

    Just wondering why you mention using the Nikon 14-24mm lens?

    As far as I know, it is not able to be used on this camera right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallpaperviking View Post
    Hi Yatlee,
    Just wondering, I was under the impression that the Cambo Actus can not accept either Canon Eos or Nikon mount lenses..

    Just wondering why you mention using the Nikon 14-24mm lens?

    As far as I know, it is not able to be used on this camera right?
    "By holding the lens in front of the camera"

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    Fair enough, I did read that..

    You did also say "If I were to have one, the Rodenstock 50mm and Nikon 14-24mm are the lenses to go with the camera" and that is why I asked the question..


    Seeing as you have had access to one, do you see it being possible to attach Canon Eos lenses, if you were to use them with a preset aperture? That is with a bit of custom machining of course

    I ask because there is only a 2.5mm flange distance difference between Canon Eos (44mm) and Nikon F (46.5mm).

    Also, I don't quite understand the Leica M39 mount.. It is stated as having a flange distance of 28.80mm. I would assume movements would be extremely limited with this and am not even sure that they project a bigger enough image circle to be useful..

    Or were there other lenses that were made in this mount with larger image circles?


    Ok, thanks a lot, look forward to hearing your thoughts..

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallpaperviking View Post
    Fair enough, I did read that..

    You did also say "If I were to have one, the Rodenstock 50mm and Nikon 14-24mm are the lenses to go with the camera" and that is why I asked the question..


    Seeing as you have had access to one, do you see it being possible to attach Canon Eos lenses, if you were to use them with a preset aperture? That is with a bit of custom machining of course

    I ask because there is only a 2.5mm flange distance difference between Canon Eos (44mm) and Nikon F (46.5mm).

    Also, I don't quite understand the Leica M39 mount.. It is stated as having a flange distance of 28.80mm. I would assume movements would be extremely limited with this and am not even sure that they project a bigger enough image circle to be useful..

    Or were there other lenses that were made in this mount with larger image circles?


    Ok, thanks a lot, look forward to hearing your thoughts..

    Here is a link to the Cambo leaflet concerning the different parts available for the Aptus.

    There are lens plates available for Nikon, Canon and Leica R lenses in addition to medium format lenses.

    On the rear standard, you can mount Canon, Nikon, Sony E, Fuji X and MFT bodies. Cambo indicates that Canon 1D and Nikon D3/4 are incompatible.
    They also indicate that 35mm lenses can only be used with "mirror less cameras".

    What I take from it is that lenses designed for 24x36mm format only make sense with cropped sensors, may be with the exception of some rare lenses offering a wider coverage, even if you can mount them. Further, the fact that you can physically mount a given lens on the front standard with a given body on the rear standard, doesn't mean it will allow you all the movements you hope and may be some will not be able to focus how you want.
    But there is a wide angle bellow which may be handy.

    But I must say that this small view cam looks really good, provided you have/find the right lenses to mount on it. Still I'm not sure how much movements you can get : Cambo says vertical shift 27mm (12mm fall and 15mm rise). 12mm fall isn't that much for architecture. If you have to use medium format lenses, then you will be limited for wide angle and architecture photography. You may still be better with a Canon TSE on the A7 series.

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    Hi,
    Thanks so much for the response back and the link to the brochure. So I think you are correct, when they say"for mirror less bodies only" they do not really specify whether it is a full frame or crop sensor mirrorless body but I think they are inferring that it is for a crop sensor..

    Another few things I noticed from the brochure were that they specify that the M39 Leica thread is for enlarging lenses (which answers my previous question) and also that one of the lens plate options is a "Canon Eos Bayonet".

    This is the first time that I have seen this referenced, maybe it is a typo?

    Hope not, would be awesome to have the ability to use Canon Eos lenses (by presetting aperture to f11-f16)

    With regards to only having 12mm fall for architecture, do you find that you use fall that much? Personally, I rarely ever use it.. I use rise all the time but hardly ever fall..

    Ok, thanks so much once again, much appreciated!

    If anyone knows if there is actually a Canon Eos mount coming out, would be great to know if that would enable the use of the Canon 24mm TS-E and i guess the 17mm TS-E..

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallpaperviking View Post

    Another few things I noticed from the brochure were that they specify that the M39 Leica thread is for enlarging lenses (which answers my previous question) and also that one of the lens plate options is a "Canon Eos Bayonet".

    This is the first time that I have seen this referenced, maybe it is a typo?

    Hope not, would be awesome to have the ability to use Canon Eos lenses (by presetting aperture to f11-f16)
    Somewhere on their website they indicate that the number of parts available may be changing over time (growing ? Getting rid of what doesn't sell ?) You should ask them.



    With regards to only having 12mm fall for architecture, do you find that you use fall that much? Personally, I rarely ever use it.. I use rise all the time but hardly ever fall..
    In order to obtain the same effect, you have to apply movements in opposite direction whether you choose to move the the front lens panel or the rear standard : with TSE lenses, you apply the movement to the lens and then rise it when you want to catch tall buildings. But from what I read, he Actus can only tilt and swing the lens plate, so you have to use a fall of the rear standard instead, because on the sensor the image is captured upside down.

    If anyone knows if there is actually a Canon Eos mount coming out, would be great to know if that would enable the use of the Canon 24mm TS-E and i guess the 17mm TS-E..
    But you already have tilt and shift on a TSE lens : why would you want to add all the Actus weight to your combo ? Note that the 24mm TSE is also allowing 12mm rise, aka the same as the 12mm Actus fall.

    Although the Actus looks lovely, I have more or less concluded that for architecture I should rather exchange my 24mm TSE version I for the second version. Only draw back is that the second version is considerably heavier and bulkier than the first version. Those photographing products in a studio may come to a different conclusion. The main problem of the Actus for architecture photography is finding the right wide angle medium format lens to pair it with.
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    Hi Annna T,
    Thanks again for the response back..

    So it would seem that a Canon Eos lens makes sense.. It is the most adaptable mount for such purposes, you could basically just have one mount and then use third party adapters for using other medium format lenses..

    So I guess I have forgotten the movements from monorail 4x5 film days
    So it is the rear fall that we are looking to use most often in architecture. If that is the case, isn't rear fall 15mm?

    With regards to why I would potentially want to add this to my kit, its because I already have a mixture of medium format lenses that I can see my self using it with.. The ability to be able to use the Canon TS-E lenses would just be a bonus! Also, if the Canon lenses were able to be used, I would potentially get (effective) front rise and shift. Pretty important to me in architecture and landscape..

    With regards to the Canon V1 compared to the V2, I have only ever ownded the V2 so I cannot really say.. From all reports though, the V2 is clearly superior in every way.. Apart from weight as you say

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    Guy are you still reviewing the Actus?
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    Another lens test with the Sony A7R on the Cambo Actus. Just used rear rise/fall for a simple two shot stitch. Rodenstock APO 55mm f/4.5 Grandagon lens. Click for full size image. ISO 100, f/16. Very sharp from edge to edge.

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    Superb Carl!

    I just had to laugh, not at you or your work here that is, but at this setup in general, hehehe

    I mean,come on...

    Imagine 10 years ago or so someone would have told you that you are going to shoot with a Rodenstock Grandagon attached to a mirrorless Sony full frame camera sporting in excess of 30 MP, attached to a precision system that allows for tech camera movements weighing just 1 Kg etc.

    I guess you too would have wondered about the mental sanity of a person making such predictions. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Georg Baumann View Post
    Superb Carl!

    I just had to laugh, not at you or your work here that is, but at this setup in general, hehehe

    I mean,come on...

    Imagine 10 years ago or so someone would have told you that you are going to shoot with a Rodenstock Grandagon attached to a mirrorless Sony full frame camera sporting in excess of 30 MP, attached to a precision system that allows for tech camera movements weighing just 1 Kg etc.

    I guess you too would have wondered about the mental sanity of a person making such predictions. LOL
    Thanks Georg. Actually, I've been fantasizing such a setup for a long time so guess I need to question my own sanity Just very pleased and thankful to Cambo for finally making it a reality. Now just waiting for Sony to bring on that 50 mp camera that I can stick on the back of the Actus.
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    Guy are you still reviewing the Actus?
    I'm waiting on a upgraded modification that will recess the lens board more for wide angles. But I will check in with the folks at CI. I have been renovating my daughters new home all week. Man is this hard work. Than my grandson should be here soon. Getting exciting . So been a little quiet here this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'm waiting on a upgraded modification that will recess the lens board more for wide angles. But I will check in with the folks at CI. I have been renovating my daughters new home all week. Man is this hard work. Than my grandson should be here soon. Getting exciting . So been a little quiet here this week.
    No worries... Didn't know if the quiet front on the review was a bad sign or not. Family is more important and I assume this is the first grandkid so that's a huge deal.
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    Carl,
    This is Great news!
    I have been anxious to use my 55mm Rodenstock APO Grandagon again and now, thanks to you, I know it will work.
    I wonder if my 72mm Super Angulon XL and 110mm Super Symmar XL will work on the Actus?
    I really miss working with my 4x5.
    Thanks to Cambo, I can work with a digital view camera.
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    Thanks Georg. Actually, I've been fantasizing such a setup for a long time so guess I need to question my own sanity Just very pleased and thankful to Cambo for finally making it a reality. Now just waiting for Sony to bring on that 50 mp camera that I can stick on the back of the Actus.
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    A few more panos that I shot this morning down at the marina. Same setup using the Rondenstock APO-Grandagon 55mm f/4.5 on the Cambo Actus with Sony A7R as the back. All were 2 or 3 shot stitches at f/11 or f/16, ISO 100.





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    One more from the marina series. This was two shots, shifted in portrait orientation. Picked up some magenta cast on the left with the shift. Could be easily corrected with an LCC in C1 or dng CC in LR. Love how easy it is to switch from landscape to portrait and back w/o removing the camera. Just hold down a small lever and rotate the camera.

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    Congratulations Scho! Those shots look really great!

    So these lenses are originally designed for 4x5 film? I am surprised that they hold up so well in conjunction with the Sony A7R..

    With regards to the Magenta color cast, why is it that it has only appeared in one of the shots?

    Apart from the stitching of the original two images, did you use any other movements of the Actus? Was the last shot shifted more than the others and is therefore running into the outer edges of the image circle?

    Or is it purely down to the original design of the lens?


    Excuse my ignorance but what is a "dng CC in LR"? Are you able to explain this to me by any chance?

    If these casts were easy enough to correct, these lenses could be great light travel lenses.. Any idea what the 35mm Rodenstock Apo Grandagon would be like? Only designed to accomodate 6x12 but plenty for use with the A7R right?


    I am awaiting eagerly to see a Actus in person but have a feeling it may tick a lot of boxes when I do..

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    One of my friend is a Crystal’s collector. He is so kindly sending me one of them for testing.
    Sony Ar7 with Apo-Digitar @ f16 with front Swing for 2 degree and Tilt for 1 degree. Exposure @ ¼ ISO 100.
    I have learned a lot of news things and have to end up with news investment for the lighting equipment (flashlight) I have paid for @1.5 USD. So the total of 4 = 6 USD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallpaperviking View Post
    Congratulations Scho! Those shots look really great!

    So these lenses are originally designed for 4x5 film? I am surprised that they hold up so well in conjunction with the Sony A7R..

    With regards to the Magenta color cast, why is it that it has only appeared in one of the shots?

    Apart from the stitching of the original two images, did you use any other movements of the Actus? Was the last shot shifted more than the others and is therefore running into the outer edges of the image circle?

    Or is it purely down to the original design of the lens?


    Excuse my ignorance but what is a "dng CC in LR"? Are you able to explain this to me by any chance?

    If these casts were easy enough to correct, these lenses could be great light travel lenses.. Any idea what the 35mm Rodenstock Apo Grandagon would be like? Only designed to accomodate 6x12 but plenty for use with the A7R right?


    I am awaiting eagerly to see a Actus in person but have a feeling it may tick a lot of boxes when I do..

    Thank you wallpaperviking. Yes the lenses I'm using were designed for either 4x5 or 6x9. The magenta cast is most evident in the flagpole shot because of the predominant sky background and it was also shot in portrait mode close to the max shift edge. I used about 2 degrees tilt on one of the images, but don't recall which one. I'm sure that the wider lenses (see Steve's CI blog review of the actus) will also be more problematic with respect to edge blur, casts and vignetting. The LR lens correction procedure is similar to LCC in C1. but requires use of a dng correction file. Essentially like Cornerfix where you shoot a white background and convert the calibration image to dng. Your 35 might be OK if you don't use shift much, but I don't have any LF lenses that wide to test. I think that Guy plans on testing some wides with the new Actus design for use with digital wides.
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    A few more sample shots taken with the Sony A7R-Cambo Actus-Rodenstock APO-Grandagon 55mm f/4.5. I might have had too much rise and/or tilt in some of the two shot stitched images. Also too windy to keep foliage sharp. A cold afternoon down below Ithaca Falls on Fall Creek. This was homecoming weekend at Cornell as well as peak salmon and brown trout fishing time for local anglers so there was an interesting mix of people down there today.



    Eroded sycamore roots on the flood plain along the trail to the falls.



    Fishing for salmon and brown trout.



    Doing selfies at the falls.

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    The Selective Sharpness.
    A7r, Rodenstock Apo sironar digital 45mm @f8.5
    front Swing for 14 degree,
    front Tilt for 2 degree,



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    Just noticed this on SAR. Just add tilt capability and we would have a camera with internal view camera movements.
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