Yeah, all three of you put the screws to them to spend uber-multi-thousand$ ...It seems you are right about that. We just have to convince them that they are missing an opportunity (and they are!)
let us know how that works out ...
-Marc
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Yeah, all three of you put the screws to them to spend uber-multi-thousand$ ...It seems you are right about that. We just have to convince them that they are missing an opportunity (and they are!)
Marc, it's not just the three of us, I'm sure there's a fourth out there somewhere (maybe Peter) There are those of us using the Hy6 that think it's one of the best (or the best) MF camera ever to come to market. Bad economic timing on it's release... and the rest is history. I would guess that there are very few Hy6 cameras that made it into production before it was discontinued. Certainly not enough to warrant anyone tooling up for the existing user base. But that's not to say that the Hy6 couldn't be much more popular if there were attractive options for a back other than what currently exists. I suspect there are legal and logistical roadblocks that make this unlikely... which is a shame.Yeah, all three of you put the screws to them to spend uber-multi-thousand$ ...
let us know how that works out ...
-Marc
I'll be fourth! (Sorry, Peter--stole your spot in line...)Marc, it's not just the three of us, I'm sure there's a fourth out there somewhere
You can start the convincing process by sending me a list of names and contact details of those who want to buy an 80MP back for their AFi/ Hy6 and who are ready to place an order for >25K EUR.It seems you are right about that. We just have to convince them that they are missing an opportunity (and they are!)
I allways thought suppliers convince their customers to buy their products, not the other way around. If we have to make your market research, marketing and sales work than we expect to discount the price to <15k -You can start the convincing process by sending me a list of names and contact details of those who want to buy an 80MP back for their AFi/ Hy6 and who are ready to place an order for >25K EUR.
If the list is long enough we'll consider developing a new back.
Yair
Just yankin' your chain Bradley ... hope it works out for you guys that ponied up for the HY6 then were left holding the bag. Terrific camera and a real shame it met such a fate ... there should be one premium camera out there like it with all the advanced features. Wish someone would also resurrect the Contax 645 with updated workings. I fear neither is going to happen, and MFD is all the poorer for it.I'll be fourth! (Sorry, Peter--stole your spot in line...)
The arguments that Leaf isn't Phase or Phase doesn't have what Leaf has are baffling to me. It seems to me that this LEAF back could be offered in Hy6 mount with a minimum of effort by Leaf Imaging (wholly owned by Phase One), if they so desired, given the existence of the AFi-II 10R.
(Granted, there could be significant work to do, or there might not be--hard to say, not knowing how they've designed the II series architecture. I'm simply assuming they designed it with an eye to be updated to new sensors.)
Regardless, I'm with Graham. I'd give it serious consideration if it were an option.
Maybe I should re-phrase that one:I allways thought suppliers convince their customers to buy their products, not the other way around. If we have to make your market research, marketing and sales work than we expect to discount the price to <15k -
if the discount is large enough I would consider to buy one
Therein lies the rub... Having watched my Sinar e75LV depreciate in price from approx. $30k to less than $10k in a few short years I'm not anxious to repeat the experience. Perhaps others who have been fortunate enough to have offset that loss with earnings from using it would feel differently. Or possibly an attractive trade-in program would make it more palatable.You can start the convincing process by sending me a list of names and contact details of those who want to buy an 80MP back for their AFi/ Hy6 and who are ready to place an order for >25K EUR.
If the list is long enough we'll consider developing a new back.
Yair
exactly. The question here is: how many customers do we talk about?? I guess the number is so small that you really can't talk about a "market".I allways thought suppliers convince their customers to buy their products
thinking about "long term investment" it definitely makes more sense to change the camera mount rather sooner than later. So if you buy into e.g. Contax or AFi mount today the chance to sell the back for a reasonable price in a few years is really bad. So either live with the potential loss of value or switch the camera platform.Therein lies the rub... Having watched my Sinar e75LV depreciate in price from approx. $30k to less than $10k in a few short years I'm not anxious to repeat the experience. Perhaps others who have been fortunate enough to have offset that loss with earnings from using it would feel differently. Or possibly an attractive trade-in program would make it more palatable.
I´d buy one for 15k immediately. :salute:If we have to make your market research, marketing and sales work than we expect to discount the price to <15k -
Put me on that virtual list too .:salute:I´d buy one for 15k immediately. :salute:
I'm sure you have some names from Photokina already Anyway, I'll try and visit you in London next week. I just emailed you about that.You can start the convincing process by sending me a list of names and contact details of those who want to buy an 80MP back for their AFi/ Hy6 and who are ready to place an order for >25K EUR.
If the list is long enough we'll consider developing a new back.
Yair
very funny discussion.. NO YAIR, no need to re-phrase it !! let the folks re-think it. the offer to develop a custom solution for the few using a not so popular / not so widely spread system is a honorable thing. even more so doing it for the regular price of 25K. what more can you ask for… this I call communication.Maybe I should re-phrase that one:
Assuming we make such a back, will the 5 Hy6 owners here buy it for €25K or more?
- There is metering built into the camera body, so metering and AE modes work with all viewfinder options.now please can somebody tell me what is so special about the HY6/AFI ? I never got the chance to put my fingers on one. the only thing I saw was some gorgeous impressions shot with the 80mm xenotar. and well ok.. WLF and 45° prism.. which is not truly a exclusive rollei feature…
That's the price in Euros... in dollars it's closer to $33k. Folks might differ on whether this is a reasonable price or not but what makes it economically painful is how little value existing backs have.doing it for the regular price of 25K. what more can you ask for
YairYou can start the convincing process by sending me a list of names and contact details of those who want to buy an 80MP back for their AFi/ Hy6 and who are ready to place an order for >25K EUR.
If the list is long enough we'll consider developing a new back.
Yair
Another option is to use the 645DF camera and add square crop lines to the focusing screen. With a 80MP sensor, you can then compose with square format and get a 60MP square image, when you do not wish to rotate the camera. The DF camera gives you the added advantage of faster leaf shutters up to 1/1600 flash sync as well as the new Schneider lenses, including the fast aperture LS lenses and the tilt/shift ones that were just announced at Photokina. Also, the next version of the camera (e.g., DF-II) will most likely have interchangeable viewfinder options.- There is metering built into the camera body, so metering and AE modes work with all viewfinder options.
- It actually has viewfinder options unlike some!
- great lenses, fast apertures and with leaf shutters offering up to 1/1000 flash sync
- by using a 6x6 format, the camera can remain upright at all times while just the sensor/back is rotated between landscape and portrait. This also allows use of WLF in portrait mode!
- more obscure features such as focus bracketing and focus trapping
The first 4 on the list are really what nail it for me.