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    GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    If what is written on the rumour sites is true, this seems to be the camera world's answer to the legendary Swiss Army Knife, and if it's useable as well (as opposed to some of the knives), it will replace several of the cameras that I currently own.

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    ++1

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    IBIS ! That might become interesting !!!

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    Looks very good on paper!
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    I think GX7 will be a good camera, price is okay - same class like NEX7.

    Waiting till tomorrow :-) Pana announcement - but nothing new.

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    Having very good experience with my G1 and the GX1 , GX7 is Not only on my wishlist top but on my buylist , absolutely first position . Can't wait to have that lady in my hands .
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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    British dealer WEX is advertising the GX7 body only for pre-order at £819 (British Pounds) complete with leather case and a spare battery for delivery in September.
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    It sure seems to be the camera that will replace many for you. I am waiting with great interest as a curiosity to see how their new Panasonic designed sensor scores- and see if it has any banding when pushed.

    Big kudos for Panasonic to include an electronic shutter shooting mode- even with its limitations, it's priceless for street life.

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    Looks fantastic. Indeed, with all of the features it has, the GX7 certainly does seem like the swiss army camera. If the imaging performance is as good as the latest m4/3 cameras, I think my GF1 will finally be upgraded.

    When can I get my hands on it?!?

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    This does look interesting to me too.

    My interest in Micro-FourThirds was renewed when I picked up a used E-PL1 a few months ago as a vehicle for "entertaining lenses", and because I still have the glorious Olympus ZD 11-22/2.8-3.5 lens (my only remaining zoom, and my favorite zoom lens of all time) and the E-1 SLR (my favorite DSLR of all the ones I've had).

    Since using the E-PL1 as a special purpose lens carrier, I've been thinking about where I want to go with this format. I handled the E-P5 recently and found it a tremendously improved camera over the E-P2 and much more likable to my hands than the E-M5. This new GX7 might edge it out, tho, as ergonomically it looks like a down-sized L1, a camera that I am still extremely fond of. It has the sensor cleaning, IBIS, and short mount for my "special" lenses, as well as could work with both my 11-22 and 35 Macro (my last dedicated FT lenses). The dual control dial system looks a lot like the E-1's too, pretty slick if they feel good.

    I look forward to seeing one in person, and then I look forward to seeing the files when Lightroom supports processing the raw files.

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    Kind of disappointing that Panasonic isn't releasing the 20mm kit or black version of the camera in the US. :-/

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    It looks fantastic
    But . . . I think the $10,000 question is whether the sensor is as good as the Sony sensor in the OMD and the other new Olympus µ43 cameras. . . . . and whether the IBIS is as good as the Pen EP5 . . . If those are 'yes' then I'll be in the queue too.

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    IBIS with focus peaking.. I knew I kept the m4/3 to M adapter for a reason not active for video though.
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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    It looks fantastic
    But . . . I think the $10,000 question is whether the sensor is as good as the Sony sensor in the OMD and the other new Olympus µ43 cameras. . . . . and whether the IBIS is as good as the Pen EP5 . . . If those are 'yes' then I'll be in the queue too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    ... and the 42.5mm of course. You know you need it
    Hmmm - I rather like the Olympus 45mm

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    Me like-y. Me buy-ey. (With the 20mm f1.7 and 42.5mm f1.2 it's a kit done deal for me!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    It looks fantastic
    But . . . I think the $10,000 question is whether the sensor is as good as the Sony sensor in the OMD and the other new Olympus µ43 cameras. . . . . and whether the IBIS is as good as the Pen EP5 . . . If those are 'yes' then I'll be in the queue too.

    all the best
    Yup. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    It looks fantastic
    But . . . I think the $10,000 question is whether the sensor is as good as the Sony sensor in the OMD and the other new Olympus µ43 cameras. . . . . and whether the IBIS is as good as the Pen EP5 . . . If those are 'yes' then I'll be in the queue too.

    all the best
    I can already answer on the Ibis- no, it won't match the pen5/omd. But personally I think I is can be quite overrated unless you are shooting a lot of tele (and I mean a lot) or you do hav a very shaky hand issue. But a better question is would a small improvement matter? I would take ergonomics + evf over slightly better ibis any day.

    On the sensor- yes- that the big question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    It looks fantastic
    But . . . I think the $10,000 question is whether the sensor is as good as the Sony sensor in the OMD and the other new Olympus µ43 cameras. . . . . and whether the IBIS is as good as the Pen EP5 . . . If those are 'yes' then I'll be in the queue too.
    Well I believe sources have already revealed that the IBIS won't operate during video, similar to other 2-axis m4/3 implementations. Too bad. Stick to stabilized lenses for video, I suppose. At least it has 60p native.

    The sensor question is certainly still up in the air though. At least we know that the GX7 doesn't have an AA filter, so it will likely just barely out-resolve the other 16MP m4/3 offerings.

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    Ticking all the right boxes. And yes, the sensor will have to live up to expectations created by the OMD. But if it does, it`s the first ILC compact body which includes all the goodies one wants these days.

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    For me, I'm not sure I see enough compelling improvements over what I get with the OM-D to consider a move. Perhaps as a second body, but not necessarily over another OM-D.

    It's unlikely the IQ will be that much different. Focus peaking and the tilt viewFinder are a plus IMO, but the IBIS (while a nice add) is unlikely to be as good.

    Now, had the GX-7 existed when I was considering the OM-D, that would have been a different matter for me indeed.

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    The no AA filter is alone worth the upgrade IMHO. All my experiences with cameras without AA filter (D800E, K5IIs) are great, they just simply out-resolve easily their AA filter equipped counterparts. And moire has very seldom been an issue for me.

    Plus size, plus built in high resolution EVF and IBIS add to this nicely.

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    Ultrasonic Sensor cleaning.
    Hirez EVF, with tilt
    LCD with tilt
    New generation 16Mpixel sensor
    IBIS
    Compatible with several lenses I already have.
    Choice of excellent Olympus, Panasonic/Leica, Voigtländer prime lenses.

    Yeah, it's got the features. The sensor is still the question mark ... Not that I think it will be bad in any way, just how compatible it is with my M lenses for adaptation is the question.

    I was looking at the preview again. The GX7 shape seems to me to be something of a return to the Panasonic LC1/L1 ergonomic model ... Nice grip, flat top, side-located viewfinder eyepiece. I liked the L1 a heck of a lot.

    And it's darn pretty. ;-) I'll be watching it...

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    The GX7 shape seems to me to be something of a return to the Panasonic LC1/L1 ergonomic model ...

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    Question is: How well will it AF with the dear old PanaLeica 14-50mm

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    Well I believe sources have already revealed that the IBIS won't operate during video, similar to other 2-axis m4/3 implementations. Too bad. Stick to stabilized lenses for video, I suppose. At least it has 60p native.

    The sensor question is certainly still up in the air though. At least we know that the GX7 doesn't have an AA filter, so it will likely just barely out-resolve the other 16MP m4/3 offerings.
    Actually the GX7 does have an AA filter. The "no AA filter" was a rumor. Nowhere in the specs of Panasonic or marketing materials they mention it is as-less. You bet they would be trumpeting that if it was. On the good side- better video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raist3d View Post
    Actually the GX7 does have an AA filter. The "no AA filter" was a rumor. Nowhere in the specs of Panasonic or marketing materials they mention it is as-less. You bet they would be trumpeting that if it was. On the good side- better video.

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    Panasonic always used weak AA filters in their SLR/mirrorless cameras, so it's no big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Question is: How well will it AF with the dear old PanaLeica 14-50mm
    Not a big issue for me as I no longer own one. My two remaining FT lenses are the ZD 35 Macro and ZD 11-22. The Oly E-PL1 runs them fast enough in AF mode for me, I'm sure the GX7 will do as well.

    I'm more interested in the Oly, Panasonic/Leica, and Voigtländer mFT primes.

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    Very interested in the new Leica 1.2 42 mFT lens. If this is as sharp as the Leica 1.4 25 mFT, then I have already great part of primes I am looking for.

    Add to that the new 1.7 20 and maybe the Oly 1.8 75 and this is it!

    Would like to test if this combos are as sharp as the K5IIs and Pentax limited primes - which I fell in love unfortunately a few weeks ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by raist3d View Post
    Actually the GX7 does have an AA filter. The "no AA filter" was a rumor. Nowhere in the specs of Panasonic or marketing materials they mention it is as-less. You bet they would be trumpeting that if it was. On the good side- better video.
    Ah, that's true, I haven't seen any official mention of it either way. The no-AA rumor was announced with the rumor that the sensor was Panasonic (which seems to be true), so I assumed both were true.

    Well, anyways all the talk about sensors doesn't amount to much once we can see some real images out of the camera and compare to what we already have. Which, coming from Panasonic could be quite a wait. The new OMD will probably be announced by then and I'll have another option to consider.

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    No black in the USA? That's dumb. And will change I'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggibson View Post
    The new OMD will probably be announced by then and I'll have another option to consider.
    This might be true

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    These DXO m4/3 lens tests conducted on an OMD and GH3 are interesting and does bear out some of my own more subjective user testing, particularly the new Oly mZuiko75-300 versus the Panny 100-300.

    What I do find surprising is that all of the lenses indicate a higher result when used on the OMD than with the GH3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Panasonic always used weak AA filters in their SLR/mirrorless cameras, so it's no big deal.
    Well, there is still a difference, if minor (maybe) but there is. Whether it makes a real difference to someone it's up to them.

    I really want to see how the sensor performs.

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    I have placed my order today for GX7 in silver .
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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    Difficult for me to consider buying one over the currently used NEX-6, despite the electronic shutter and the quiet mode. 1000€ on this while the FF NEX is just around the corner would make me look ridiculous.

    I am happy to see the developments. Wish they introduced this instead of the GX-1, sometime time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Difficult for me to consider buying one over the currently used NEX-6, despite the electronic shutter and the quiet mode. 1000€ on this while the FF NEX is just around the corner would make me look ridiculous.

    I am happy to see the developments. Wish they introduced this instead of the GX-1, sometime time ago.
    and the image stabilization?
    and the excellent sensor cleaning?

    i've been considering both the NEX 6 and the Pen E-P5, but put both on hold a couple of weeks back. this body is now on that same hold shelf and may indeed push me to a purchase in x number of months. i still have a small investiture in FourThirds and Micro-FourThirds gear so in some ways it's a sensible acquisitions.

    i don't believe buying any camera would make one look ridiculous. all of what's available today is so good you just pick what you like and go for it. i use three digital formats now and swap easily between them...

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    It is rumored that 5 axis sensor stabilization will be available in Sony NEX' soon. I am an excellent sensor cleaner myself.

    The ridiculousness will not be due to lack of features but a dip in my wallet that has a finite space.

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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    The ridiculousness will not be due to lack of features but a dip in my wallet that has a finite space.
    But you can make that space infinite. Just buy another camera

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    It is rumored that 5 axis sensor stabilization will be available in Sony NEX' soon. I am an excellent sensor cleaner myself.

    The ridiculousness will not be due to lack of features but a dip in my wallet that has a finite space.
    If price is an issue, the $3K rumored FF-NEX is quite a stretch. Besides, I'd expect Sony will take quite a while to make a decent range of lenses for any system like that.

    The NEX-6 is an awesome camera, and certainly the GX7 is no slam-dunk against it. Still, there are many reasons to prefer m4/3 as a system overall, so I don't think it would make one look silly to go for the GX7. If you're invested in the Sony system though, it certainly bears waiting to see the new 5T or 7N or whatever they'll be announcing soon.

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    I am using NEXes and LUMIXes, both are excellent cameras - now I am waiting for GX7 .. I am not interested in FF cameras .. high prices & hot air.

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    Am I the only person around here bemused at the number of people placing orders for the GX7 before we know which sensor it contains?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonygamble View Post
    Am I the only person around here bemused at the number of people placing orders for the GX7 before we know which sensor it contains?

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    They all have decent sensors these days and thus other criteria have become more important for buying one over the other. At least the sensors don`t hold anybody back from making great shots.
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    Re: GX7, the Swiss Army Camera?

    The only thing notably lacking from m43 (in my humble opinion) is good AF. When visiting our daughter at camp, my wife said (about an OM-D with 75/1.8 lens) "This thing is so slow to focus. Why didn't you bring the Canon with the big white lens?"

    Matt

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