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    from Nikon to 5DIII?

    I am interested if any of you guys have switched from Nikon to Canon and could share some experience.
    I shoot mainly Leica M and S, but with 2 small kids I sometimes think I sometimes might be able to get some shots with a faster AF.
    I still have my Nikon D700 setup but for some reasons (for example color) I dont like the IQ so much compared to my Leica images. Also I like 50mm fov a lot and the Nikon 50/1.4 is just not such a great lens.
    I believe the Canon 50/1.2 is much better. So I am thinking of replacing my D700+many Nikons with a 5dIII and few but fine lenses. The idea would be 16-35/2.8, 50/1.2 , either 85/1.2 or 135/2.0 and a Telezoom.
    I wonder those who use the 5dIII-how happy are you?
    How do you find colors?
    How precise and reliable do you find the AF?
    How is overall handling.
    There is a lot of hype about the D800, but I still feel D800 grass is to green sometimes and skin tones slightly yellowish. I tried both Nikon 50/1.4g and SIgma 50/1.4 but they dont seem to be any close to the Canon 50/1.2.
    Also while the Nikon 14-24 is excellent, I would find the 16-35/2.8 Canon range much much more usefull for me.
    Thanks for any 5dIII experience.

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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    Tom,

    I have switched very often between Nikon and Canon, also owning a D700 and D3 and meanwhile the D800E. And I really liked the 5D2 some years ago and the main reason I bought into C at this time was because of the glass like 16-35, 1.2/85 etc. all really great lenses.

    Meanwhile I configured my D800E that way, that the colors coming out of the camera are fine for me and not too green, yellow or anything wrong. I am using both LR4 and Aperture 3 and both deliver great results from the RAWs of the D800E. Lens selection is definitely a bit demanding with the 36MP, but for me a CZ 1.4/35 ZF.2 and Nikors 2.8/60, 1.4/85 and 2.8/70-200VR2 together with a TC2xIII deliver the IQ I am looking for - and I am pretty demanding. AF is similar to the D700 adding the 3D AF which is sometimes really a winner!

    I had similar thoughts as you before I bought again into Nikon, but finally I decided for this route and so far do not regret. And the D800E is also a replacement for my H3D39, which it almost can handle without much IQ loss - a great complement for this camera!

    Having said that the 5D3 is sure a great camera and AF should be on par with the D800E. Also the 2.8/16-35 I always found to be the BEST WA zoom ever, although different reviews come to different conclusions. I cannot speak about the 1.2/50 as I never owned this lens, but the 1.2/85 is a marvel of a lens - I am really missing it as I was much more happy with its handling and results compared to the Nikkor 1.4/85G. I think the 2.8/70-200s latest versions from both vendors are pretty equal, so nothing to do wrong here.

    Tough decision. Maybe you should give it a try, but on the other hand if you have already lot of Nikkor glass you maybe should stay in this camp.

    Good luck and I will be interested what you finally decide

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    Thanks Peter. I wonder if the D800 is different from previous Nikons like the D700 color wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    Thanks Peter. I wonder if the D800 is different from previous Nikons like the D700 color wise.
    Maybe it is not different, but you can fine tune WB very nicely in the menu. This way I found a pretty good setting which lets me forget to tweak colors in post processing. But maybe it is not enough for you.

    The 5D3 as most Canons deliver slightly warmer - brownish colors IMHO than Nikon. Which I like!

    Why not do a test between both cameras with 1 or 2 preferred lenses? And do not forget to tune the D800E WP the way you prefer.

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    I felt that Nikon did something in their color profile for Nikon D800/E. It's much better than the D700. But the look is still very different than Leica's.

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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Maybe it is not different, but you can fine tune WB very nicely in the menu. This way I found a pretty good setting which lets me forget to tweak colors in post processing. But maybe it is not enough for you.

    The 5D3 as most Canons deliver slightly warmer - brownish colors IMHO than Nikon. Which I like!

    Why not do a test between both cameras with 1 or 2 preferred lenses? And do not forget to tune the D800E WP the way you prefer.
    Test would be nice but I dont have either camera (D800 or 5DIII) available.

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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    I made the switch, but to Nikon from Canon. Having shot Canon since 1999, it was tough but after looking at the files, I made the switch.

    To me it's all about the DR of the sensor, and the D800 for me was way way beyond the 5DMKIII. I found the MKIII very similar if not the same to my 5D MKII, namely no way to pull up shadows without getting the classic blue/red noise and banding. I realize it possible to work around this, but I would rather just take one exposure and work from there, not have to bracket every shot.

    The resolution was not the issue for me. I can get by with the 20mp of Canon all day long for what I shoot.

    I agree the color/profiling issues around the D800/e can be a hurdle. I actually purchased the d800, and had no problems with it, however since I moved to the 800e, I am wishing I had just stayed pat. Resolution differences are really not that big if any between the two, at least from what I tested out.

    If you are a higher iso shooter, the MKIII may be a good solution, but when I shot the two, I found both sets of files were very close noise wise until you got above 6400, and that is iso range I never try to use anyway. No doubt that the frame rate of the 5D MKIII will be faster.

    I go back to Fred Miranda's early review. He showed in that just how much shadow recovery is possible with a D800 and now a D600. 3 stops minimum. Plus the high light recovery is excellent also.

    As for glass, I totally agree it can be a tough call. I had to get rid of some of my best Canon glass for this switch but overall I am still glad I made the move. Especially based on the products that Canon has brought to the market since March of this year. I am sure that Canon has a new chip/camera coming for 2013. However just bringing 40, 46mp whatever to the market is not the deal for me, it's DR of the chip. Nikon has got a pretty good lead here for now.

    The chipset of the D800 is a revolutionary design and it worth considering.

    I highly recommend you test both. If you are in the U.S. lensrentals.com has both bodies for rent. It would be worth your time to rent both and test them out.

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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    I switched from Canon (5D Mk II, 1D Mk IV, 1Ds Mk III) to Hasselblad (H4D-40) and Nikon (D600). Could not be happier. All what was already said is true. Check out this thread: D600 & sensor dust where I posted some samples straight out of the cam.

    In former days, I had the 50mm 1.2. The AF is NOT very fast working. It's a lot of glass, therefore you'll still have some lags.

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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    I made the switch, but to Nikon from Canon. Having shot Canon since 1999, it was tough but after looking at the files, I made the switch.

    To me it's all about the DR of the sensor, and the D800 for me was way way beyond the 5DMKIII. I found the MKIII very similar if not the same to my 5D MKII, namely no way to pull up shadows without getting the classic blue/red noise and banding. I realize it possible to work around this, but I would rather just take one exposure and work from there, not have to bracket every shot.

    The resolution was not the issue for me. I can get by with the 20mp of Canon all day long for what I shoot.

    I agree the color/profiling issues around the D800/e can be a hurdle. I actually purchased the d800, and had no problems with it, however since I moved to the 800e, I am wishing I had just stayed pat. Resolution differences are really not that big if any between the two, at least from what I tested out.

    If you are a higher iso shooter, the MKIII may be a good solution, but when I shot the two, I found both sets of files were very close noise wise until you got above 6400, and that is iso range I never try to use anyway. No doubt that the frame rate of the 5D MKIII will be faster.

    I go back to Fred Miranda's early review. He showed in that just how much shadow recovery is possible with a D800 and now a D600. 3 stops minimum. Plus the high light recovery is excellent also.

    As for glass, I totally agree it can be a tough call. I had to get rid of some of my best Canon glass for this switch but overall I am still glad I made the move. Especially based on the products that Canon has brought to the market since March of this year. I am sure that Canon has a new chip/camera coming for 2013. However just bringing 40, 46mp whatever to the market is not the deal for me, it's DR of the chip. Nikon has got a pretty good lead here for now.

    The chipset of the D800 is a revolutionary design and it worth considering.

    I highly recommend you test both. If you are in the U.S. lensrentals.com has both bodies for rent. It would be worth your time to rent both and test them out.

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    Thank you Paul!
    There is so much written about DR difference so now I am a bit afraid that this could be a real concern. I would definatly check this upfront when getting a 5diii. I have owned Nikon for many years now but I never got 100% happy with skin color. This is my main concern with Nikon.
    I am not in the US so hard renting both cameras.
    I would really interested to shoot it side by side for some time. (But on the other side I am really tired of camera and lens "testing")

    If you say bringing up the Canon shadows can be problematic-I wonder how often one has to do it, how "good" is the standard tone curve of the 5diii (is it more contrasty or more with a smooth roll off?). Also how good is the exp-metering?
    Thanks for the comments!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    Thank you Paul!
    There is so much written about DR difference so now I am a bit afraid that this could be a real concern. I would definatly check this upfront when getting a 5diii. I have owned Nikon for many years now but I never got 100% happy with skin color. This is my main concern with Nikon.
    I am not in the US so hard renting both cameras.
    I would really interested to shoot it side by side for some time. (But on the other side I am really tired of camera and lens "testing")

    If you say bringing up the Canon shadows can be problematic-I wonder how often one has to do it, how "good" is the standard tone curve of the 5diii (is it more contrasty or more with a smooth roll off?). Also how good is the exp-metering?
    Thanks for the comments!
    Only can comment on the 5D2 and I was very happy with the exposure metering and standard tone curve of this camera. I almost never had any issue with shadow details or recovering shadows either in Aperture, LR or C1Pro.

    I would assume that the 5D3 is even better.

    Actually all this discussion around DR is very theoretical and both Nikon and Canon are doing pretty well today in this area.

    What I find more important is the OOC colors and I was not really happy with my older Nikon's, but since the D800 allows to fine-adjust WB in a wide range, I do not see this problem again.

    But for the availability of some of the Canon L lenses I would definitely switch again, if I had the desire to use these lenses ....

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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    Tom,

    I moved from the 5D to a string of Nikons and recently moved back...to the 1Dx...

    I am very pleased with this camera...color is very close to my sensibilities. I would hope that the 5D3 will be close to this.

    If I may a couple of recent shots:

    Canon 1 DX and ZF.2 50 Macro


    Autumn Lake Morning Light 2






    Autumn Lake Mallard Morning Light 1




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    Bob, I really like those 2 shots.
    Why did you mobe back to Canon?

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    I have had D800 since early its year, and because of the lightweight of Canon lightweight long telephoto lenses, I recently bought 5DIII and 40/2.8 stm. Well, honestly speaking I really think 5DIII is very old, in terms of digital camera esp as a sole raw shooter, I need to squeeze a lot from RAW.

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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark K View Post
    ...because of the lightweight of Canon lightweight long telephoto lenses...
    This was one of the main factors in my return...the 400 F 5.6 is a wonderful lens for Texas shooting which involves a lot of mid distance wildlife and livestock. Better to shoot over a fence than be shot for climbing over one.

    I also loved the color and dynamic range in the 1DX.

    My MF cameras had no long equivalent for telephotos and a lot of my interest is in that mid distant shooting...however I do not have the time nor inclination to carry a 12 pound lens into remote areas.

    I must admit I like the small Nikon camera bodies better than Canon but feel the 1D series are on par with their Nikon competition.

    Here are a couple closer examples of the color from the 1DX:


    Canon 1DX and ZF 50 Macro


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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    Thanks a lot for all the useful comments and experiences.
    Yesterday I spent quite some time an a store to look and feel at the 5diii and some lenses.
    Today I decided to give the 5diii a try. I understood that the d800 sensor has more resolution and more DR. I would think however that the dr of the 5diii is not bad either.
    M first impression I like the 5diii a lot and believe with its fast AF, nice viewfinder, and 22mp it fits my needs (I want to use it for action shots of my kids and in low light).
    I have also heard many good things about the new 24-70.
    So I got the 24-70II and a 50/1.2 (I also brought a 50/1.4 and want to compare them and buy one of the 2).
    I will keep my Nikon lenses for some weeks until I am sure the 5diii really fits my bill. But I like the feel of the body a lot.

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    Was in your shoes some years ago. I had the D700 and the trinity zoom lenses and then some more. I bought my wife the 5D mark2, 50mm 1.2 and then some, and the rest was history! Despite the D700 having a better AF system, the canon offers lenses with rendering and look that I preferred. Also being Chinese, I preferred the skin tones Canon gave me. Yes I have LR and C1.

    Today I'm with the 5d mark III, AND I love the silent mode on it, and also a 1DX and shoot primes only. I don't think anyone can be too upset with Canons today, unless there's something unique. Either way you need to familiarize to yourself with any system to get the most out of it, good or bad!
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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    I'm in a similar dilemma myself these day. Since m4/3 is taking care of most of my day-to-day photography, the Nikon gear (D300 and D2Xs) sees little use except for action photography. The solution is obviously to upgrade to FX/35mm to have a system that has more distance to the m4/3 sensor, but Nikon or Canon? The two models that suit me best are the D600 and the 6D. My requirement will be prime lenses mostly (24/35/85/135 or 35/85/135) plus a "normal" zoom. Here's my pro/contra list so far (some of these points are of limited value to others than me, but still...):

    Pro D600
    - Better ergonomics and a layout that I'm used to
    - Better AF
    - Built in flash
    - I have several good Nikon lenses with low resale value
    - I have an F6 that I'm probably not selling anyway

    Pro 6D
    - Acess to f/1.2 lenses in two focal lengths
    - Will mount all my OM Zuiko lenses without mount conversion (I also use them on OM cameras)
    - Will hopefully mount the Zeiss CY 85mm f/1.4
    - Exchangeable focusing screen. Screen for manual focusing of wide aperture lenses available from Canon
    - Built in WiFi
    - Built in GPS with tagging and log functions

    I also have a feeling that the new 24-70mm f/4.0 will be an unusually good lens, and it's much more compact than the f/2.8 alternatives, particularly the long (and in my view somewhat unbalanced) Nikon version.

    To me, the 6D seems to be a simple, "old fashioned" SLR camera that combines the values of yesteryear with some really usefull hi-tech functionality, like WiFi and GPS. There are also indications that it will raise the bar further with regards to high ISO. Here's a comparison with the 5DIII at ISO 102,400:

    http://i.stack.imgur.com/VVoQ6.jpg

    I don't know when ISO 102,400 will become useful for me, particularly if using f/1.2 lenses, but irregularities on the inside of the lens cap will be disclosed without mercy

    Interesting comment from Po-Ming regarding Chinese skin tones. I have the same problem with the D300 (and with a borrowed D700) with most Asian subjects, while the D2Xs (and earlier the D80) is just fine.
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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I'm in a similar dilemma myself these day. Since m4/3 is taking care of most of my day-to-day photography, the Nikon gear (D300 and D2Xs) sees little use except for action photography. The solution is obviously to upgrade to FX/35mm to have a system that has more distance to the m4/3 sensor, but Nikon or Canon? The two models that suit me best are the D600 and the 6D. My requirement will be prime lenses mostly (24/35/85/135 or 35/85/135) plus a "normal" zoom. Here's my pro/contra list so far (some of these points are of limited value to others than me, but still...):

    Pro D600
    - Better ergonomics and a layout that I'm used to
    - Better AF
    - Built in flash
    - I have several good Nikon lenses with low resale value
    - I have an F6 that I'm probably not selling anyway

    Pro 6D
    - Acess to f/1.2 lenses in two focal lengths
    - Will mount all my OM Zuiko lenses without mount conversion (I also use them on OM cameras)
    - Will hopefully mount the Zeiss CY 85mm f/1.4
    - Exchangeable focusing screen. Screen for manual focusing of wide aperture lenses available from Canon
    - Built in WiFi
    - Built in GPS with tagging and log functions

    I also have a feeling that the new 24-70mm f/4.0 will be an unusually good lens, and it's much more compact than the f/2.8 alternatives, particularly the long (and in my view somewhat unbalanced) Nikon version.

    To me, the 6D seems to be a simple, "old fashioned" SLR camera that combines the values of yesteryear with some really usefull hi-tech functionality, like WiFi and GPS. There are also indications that it will raise the bar further with regards to high ISO. Here's a comparison with the 5DIII at ISO 102,400:

    http://i.stack.imgur.com/VVoQ6.jpg

    I don't know when ISO 102,400 will become useful for me, particularly if using f/1.2 lenses, but irregularities on the inside of the lens cap will be disclosed without mercy

    Interesting comment from Po-Ming regarding Chinese skin tones. I have the same problem with the D300 (and with a borrowed D700) with most Asian subjects, while the D2Xs (and earlier the D80) is just fine.
    I opted for the 5diii over the 6d because one of the main reasons for me to own a dslr is AF, specially continue AF. Also I have owned various DSLRs before where I had problems with focus accuracy. Thats one of the reasons why I wanted as good as possible AF in such a camera.
    Now many say the Canon sensor to be outdated, and I can not ccomment based on experience before having used my 5diii for a while. However allmost allways the main argument is DR and shadow noise. Now is shaddow noise just worse than the Nikon but still quite good or is it a real world problem?
    And then there are so many other things - color and overall look of the files being one of them (Skin color one of main reasons for me to give Canon a try.

    The next thing is user interface - and here I find both quite good, but at the moment I prefer the user interface of the 5diii over that of my D700.
    The Canon sits even better in my hands, I like that it is not too overloaded with buttons, and it has the better viewfinder (brighter and more neautral color) than the D700. Of course the differences are minor.

    Lenses I would assume Canon has many the better 24-70 (now with the new version), they have the 50 and 85 1.2 options, they have the better T/S lenses.
    Nikon has the better wide angle zoom than Canon, and the 85/1.4 which is optically good AND fast AF. So it depends what you do. And if you like 135 Canon has that 135/2.0. (Nikon has the 135DC which is great for portrait though).

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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    Well, i never been with Nikon since my first ever digital camera which was Nikon Coolpix 8800, then Canon DSLRs and never looked back.

    I am happy with Canon since 2006 until now and i never felt i want to move to Nikon side, and really i didn't see issues with Canon as many stating that Nikon is better in this and that, well, my photography with Canon made many people in my area to stay with Canon or move from Nikon to Canon, and i know i can do wonders with Nikon too, but i am not rich like some people here who can buy Canon and Nikon and MF and can move between one brand to another, it is wasting my money.

    I just get 1DX and even i didn't use it much yet, only once in sports last week, but i can tell it is a phenomenal camera, but i still use my 1DsIII and it is an amazing camera yet too.
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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    Quote Originally Posted by Professional View Post
    Well, i never been with Nikon since my first ever digital camera which was Nikon Coolpix 8800, then Canon DSLRs and never looked back.

    I am happy with Canon since 2006 until now and i never felt i want to move to Nikon side, and really i didn't see issues with Canon as many stating that Nikon is better in this and that, well, my photography with Canon made many people in my area to stay with Canon or move from Nikon to Canon, and i know i can do wonders with Nikon too, but i am not rich like some people here who can buy Canon and Nikon and MF and can move between one brand to another, it is wasting my money.

    I just get 1DX and even i didn't use it much yet, only once in sports last week, but i can tell it is a phenomenal camera, but i still use my 1DsIII and it is an amazing camera yet too.
    Hi Tareq,
    you re maybe not rich but using a 1dsIII and a 1dx doesnt sound you are poor either? By the way I went to your 500px site - I like images.

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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    Hi Tareq,
    you re maybe not rich but using a 1dsIII and a 1dx doesnt sound you are poor either? By the way I went to your 500px site - I like images.
    Well, i saved for long time to afford those bodies and i never work as a professional, so i am wondering how you people can afford them then if you are not pro?

    Thanks for looking at my gallery, i try to upload my best, but i feel ashamed or nothing compared to many many masterpiece artistic photos there that i don't want to post anymore there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Professional View Post
    Well, i saved for long time to afford those bodies and i never work as a professional, so i am wondering how you people can afford them then if you are not pro?

    Thanks for looking at my gallery, i try to upload my best, but i feel ashamed or nothing compared to many many masterpiece artistic photos there that i don't want to post anymore there.
    Well-I run a business and there I have to base my decisions mostly on cost-value (besides some moral factors).
    But doing photography as a hobby I do not have to base those gear-decisions on cost-value as long as I can afford it. I can even use and enjoy gear where my photography is maybe not good enough to give it justice.
    I know many people who would never spend more than 500$ for a camera because it is oh that expensive but many of them buy a new I-phone every time a new version comes to the market.
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    @ Tom

    I will be really interested to read your conclusions about the 5DIII and lenses versus Nikon. As you own both sides this should be a great comparison.

    Thanks in advance

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    Great, I like the colors and also DR does not look bad at all!

    Did you shoot this in CRW or JPEG?

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    Hi Peter,
    these were converted from raw in lightroom.
    The jpgs did not look much different.

    The colors of the portrait came out really nice (there was this warm late afternoon light).
    Some of the plants I shot come out a little "artificial" though. I reduced saturation and changed the color of the sky to a bit less red and more cyan in the blue. See the following example:
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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    @ Tom

    I will be really interested to read your conclusions about the 5DIII and lenses versus Nikon. As you own both sides this should be a great comparison.

    Thanks in advance

    Peter
    I dont have a D800 only the d700 to compare. Maybe I can meet my brother for a "shootout" - he uses a D800.

    If I compare the bodies between the d700 and the 5d3 there are 2 things I really like about the 5d3:
    1) the viewfinder is (slightly) brighter and a more neutral color than the one of the d700
    2) the silent mode of the 5d3

    So far the AF of the 5d3 seems quite good and pretty accurate.
    Also I seem to be lucky and both lenses (24-70ii and 50/1.2) seem to focus pretty accurate. The first images look sharp with good contrast and color to me.
    But what can you say after 2 days using a camera. I will keep my Nikon for some weeks for sure until I am totally sure the 5d3 works for me.

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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    After shooting the Leica M and S, I'm surprised at your choices and what you decided on. However, I understand the need for quick AF and lower light abilities to capture those squirmy, kinetic kiddies ... priceless family memories that will increase in emotional value as they grow up. Oddly, I shoot non-stop kids and families in action professionally, and rarely use anything other than the S2. However, these situations are controlled timings, and I pick the time of day and where. So, it is not the same challenge.

    I've flip-flopped between Canon and Nikon for decades of shoot weddings ... (weddings have similar AF and lower light demands to what you are after), and in reality the differences are usually subtile. In the end, my selection was neither Canon or Nikon ... choosing Sony for the Zeiss AF lenses that came closest to the Leica look and feel (closer, but not the same), and that all lenses are in-body stabilized ... including the Sony 50/1.4, Zeiss 85/1.4, and incomparable Zeiss 135/1.8.

    Here's a tip for working with slower focusing Canon lenses like the 50/1.2 and 85/1.2 ... get a STE-2 for the hot-shoe. It projects a pretty crisp focusing aid that significantly increases the keeper ratio in lower light AF situations.

    I had a chance to shoot with a friend's Canon 5D-MKIII while on a mini vacation just last week. The first thing I took note of was the different sound/feel to the shutter compared to previous 5D models. Better. The files were typical Canon look and feel to my eye (lenses probably) ... which is a subjective evaluation.

    Best of luck with your final evaluation. All that matters is that you get the shots and preserve the childhood of your kids

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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    After shooting the Leica M and S, I'm surprised at your choices and what you decided on. However, I understand the need for quick AF and lower light abilities to capture those squirmy, kinetic kiddies ... priceless family memories that will increase in emotional value as they grow up. Oddly, I shoot non-stop kids and families in action professionally, and rarely use anything other than the S2. However, these situations are controlled timings, and I pick the time of day and where. So, it is not the same challenge.

    I've flip-flopped between Canon and Nikon for decades of shoot weddings ... (weddings have similar AF and lower light demands to what you are after), and in reality the differences are usually subtile. In the end, my selection was neither Canon or Nikon ... choosing Sony for the Zeiss AF lenses that came closest to the Leica look and feel (closer, but not the same), and that all lenses are in-body stabilized ... including the Sony 50/1.4, Zeiss 85/1.4, and incomparable Zeiss 135/1.8.

    Here's a tip for working with slower focusing Canon lenses like the 50/1.2 and 85/1.2 ... get a STE-2 for the hot-shoe. It projects a pretty crisp focusing aid that significantly increases the keeper ratio in lower light AF situations.

    I had a chance to shoot with a friend's Canon 5D-MKIII while on a mini vacation just last week. The first thing I took note of was the different sound/feel to the shutter compared to previous 5D models. Better. The files were typical Canon look and feel to my eye (lenses probably) ... which is a subjective evaluation.

    Best of luck with your final evaluation. All that matters is that you get the shots and preserve the childhood of your kids

    -Marc
    Thank Marc for the tip with the STE-2.

    I agree the Sony files with Zeiss lenses to look very good. But I didnt want an EVF and I wanted a very good C-AF.
    The A900 (good at low ISO, and while fast AF not enough points for AF-tracking) was too close to my S2. And the A99 has that EVF.
    I got many good images of my kids with the S2...but found that as soon as I wanted to "catch" them during running, riding the bike etc. it gets hard to focus. Same in lower light when the ISO limit the use of the S2.(even thoug a friend of mine does all kinds of things with his S2)
    And there are some occasions where a zoom comes in handy.
    However each time I look at images from the S2 I tell myself that I need to use the S2 whenever there is enough light and whenever it is possible to use it.

    In a couple of weeks I can tell more.

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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    After some time with the 5dIII I wanted to give some feedback here:
    I am quite happy with it.
    The AF and overall speed is a joy for me to use.
    I really feel I can now shoot some things (kids in action) much more easily than before.
    The lenses I have chosen so far (24-70II,50/1.2, 135/2.0 and 70-200/4.0IS and TC1.4III) perform quite well too and while I have not done much pixel peeping analysis stuff I could not detect any weak points.
    My fav is the 50/1.2 which does not only allow nice rich colors with nice bokeh but also handles very very well size wise with the 5dIII.

    The IQ I get with the 5dIII does not have that super dooper crisp and 3d look I get with the S2 but images are sharp and I like the tonality and overall look. I prefer the colors over those I got with my D700.

    I find the price of the 5dIII on the high side, but so far for me it looks like a very flexible, fast, easy and nice to handle DSLR. Not the resolution of a d800, not the speed of a 1dx, but just the right compromise.

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    Paratom, I agree with what you said, it is a very good compromise, and in fact I feel very little is lost. About the pricing of cameras this year, everything has shifted up

    All the f/1.2L primes are winners, and make the Canon system extra special, and would go on to stick my head out and say the new Sigma 35mm f1.4 A1 should be an addition to any system if the focal length is needed.
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    I bought D800 early this year and 5D3 last month. They are similar in some aspects but different in many others. For Nikon I have had those old lenses including 20/2.8D, 85/1.8, 1.4, old macro and newer Sigma 150 macro. D800 is faster than 5D, 5D 2 and the colours, viewed on LCD appeared not good. However, once you open images in LR, they look completely different. There are incredible potential in terms of dynamic range you can adjust.
    5D3 is much faster in focusing. My primary aim is for backup camera for wildlife shooting for 1Dx. Canon makes a line of very good and lightweight telephoto lenses. However for general purpose I am not sure you should make the switch unless Canon offers cameras with better sensors. As for f1.2 lenses, I am not sure. From what I learned from internet, these two lenses are not good optically. Friends having 85/1.2 kept complaining about their focusing speed, huge body size and unreasonable heavy weight. I have 135 f2 and just love this. Nikon's speedlights are also much better than my Canon flashguns.
    Too bad I have the ZA135/1.8, ZA85/1.4 and both of them are much much sharper than any of my Nikon/Canon primes.

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    Canon has an unique lens, the 40/2.8 stm. Very sharp, featherlight and it mounts permanently on my 5D3

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    After watching this video review - Canon 5D Mark III vs Nikon D800 Comparison - YouTube

    I have become convinced that both of these cameras seem almost equal in the imagery value they offer but just have differing sets of cons/pros. It would be so hard to chose one over the other but this review at least gives you some info to work with so you can work out what is important.
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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark K View Post
    I bought D800 early this year and 5D3 last month. They are similar in some aspects but different in many others. For Nikon I have had those old lenses including 20/2.8D, 85/1.8, 1.4, old macro and newer Sigma 150 macro. D800 is faster than 5D, 5D 2 and the colours, viewed on LCD appeared not good. However, once you open images in LR, they look completely different. There are incredible potential in terms of dynamic range you can adjust.
    5D3 is much faster in focusing. My primary aim is for backup camera for wildlife shooting for 1Dx. Canon makes a line of very good and lightweight telephoto lenses. However for general purpose I am not sure you should make the switch unless Canon offers cameras with better sensors. As for f1.2 lenses, I am not sure. From what I learned from internet, these two lenses are not good optically. Friends having 85/1.2 kept complaining about their focusing speed, huge body size and unreasonable heavy weight. I have 135 f2 and just love this. Nikon's speedlights are also much better than my Canon flashguns.
    Too bad I have the ZA135/1.8, ZA85/1.4 and both of them are much much sharper than any of my Nikon/Canon primes.
    I dont have the 85/1.2 but the 50/1.2 which seems like an excellent lens IMO.
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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    After watching this video review - Canon 5D Mark III vs Nikon D800 Comparison - YouTube

    I have become convinced that both of these cameras seem almost equal in the imagery value they offer but just have differing sets of cons/pros. It would be so hard to chose one over the other but this review at least gives you some info to work with so you can work out what is important.
    Hmm, interesting comparison and even before he said which one he favored I was all in for the 5DIII. I'm not ready to switch from my A900 but when I do I'll likely lean towards the Canon. Just purchased a new tripod kit so that will take some time to pay down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan ROX View Post
    I switched from Canon (5D Mk II, 1D Mk IV, 1Ds Mk III) to Hasselblad (H4D-40) and Nikon (D600). Could not be happier. All what was already said is true. Check out this thread: D600 & sensor dust where I posted some samples straight out of the cam.

    In former days, I had the 50mm 1.2. The AF is NOT very fast working. It's a lot of glass, therefore you'll still have some lags.

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    iam agree with him,good.

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    Re: from Nikon to 5DIII?

    I did not "switch" from my Nikons (D4, 800E, 600) but also recently got a 5D3 and a few of their unique lenses (17 T/S, 50/1.2, 85/1.2, and 135/2 for example). I still enjoy shooting the Nikons more, mainly as I am more used to their operation. I don't look on this as a competiton but as an opportunity to fill some gaps in need.
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