iiiNelson
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Maybe but I’d more quickly assume that this would drive people to the XT3 if they were invested in Fuji already.I think Leica (CL) and Sony 6 series - have just been given a massive boost - by Fuji.
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Maybe but I’d more quickly assume that this would drive people to the XT3 if they were invested in Fuji already.I think Leica (CL) and Sony 6 series - have just been given a massive boost - by Fuji.
I agree, I don't think a lot of people will jump ship if one new body comes out that isn't to their liking. Especially since it doesn't change anything to the gear they already have (and presumably use and like) :angel:Maybe but I’d more quickly assume that this would drive people to the XT3 if they were invested in Fuji already.
Maybe but I’d more quickly assume that this would drive people to the XT3 if they were invested in Fuji already.
On the EVF/OVF side of this topic I must say from my small amount of using/testing the X-Pro3 I found the EVF pretty good, definitely good enough for me, and I am usually very picky in that regards. What really surprised me though was that the EVF of the Olympus Em5.3 (which I tested a few minutes after the X-Pro3) was at least as good IMO as the one of the X-Pro3 although only 2.4MP compared 3.6MP of the X-Pro3.
The only reason I exited Leica M was I have become tired of 'compulsory' manual focus - simple as that. I am also aware of just how good if not better both TL and L mount lenses are compared to M. So (liek I usually do) I have been comparing Fuji X V Leica CL for my happy snap purposes since they are both small format - looky look fellas - the CL is a LOT smaller even!:bugeyes:
Here is my CL and XT-3 side by side - note the viewfinder on the CL is on the left hand side of the CL body V viewfinder on XT-3 ( great camera btw) is closer to center than left. What I liked about the M series and do like about the CL series camera bodies is the viewfinder position and excellent viewfinders - viewfinder in XT-3 is great no problem - i just prefer the viewfinder position to be in 'rangefinder style' position - left of body - but not to be dumbed down.
All I expected from XPro-3 was viewfinder/Chip/ to be same as XT-3 - I could even cope with useless screen mode - but viewfinder isn't as good as XT-3 anbd I am one of those types who think a viewfinder experience is the first thing I look at when assessing camera. Same reason I didn't pick up a GFXR - love the rangefinder style - didn't like the EVF.
Ok that is it from me on this topic - apologies in advance if my preferences set came across as some criticism of Fuji in general - the reverse is true for me - I have Fuji love in abundance.:thumbup:
Im not disagreeing with your preferences. I just don’t believe most people that are Fuji X buyers (as a primary system) are cross shopping with Leica. I’m sure there’s a small minority that do/will but they’re the exception.
The only reason I exited Leica M was I have become tired of 'compulsory' manual focus - simple as that. I am also aware of just how good if not better both TL and L mount lenses are compared to M. So (liek I usually do) I have been comparing Fuji X V Leica CL for my happy snap purposes since they are both small format - looky look fellas - the CL is a LOT smaller even!:bugeyes:
Here is my CL and XT-3 side by side - note the viewfinder on the CL is on the left hand side of the CL body V viewfinder on XT-3 ( great camera btw) is closer to center than left. What I liked about the M series and do like about the CL series camera bodies is the viewfinder position and excellent viewfinders - viewfinder in XT-3 is great no problem - i just prefer the viewfinder position to be in 'rangefinder style' position - left of body - but not to be dumbed down.
All I expected from XPro-3 was viewfinder/Chip/ to be same as XT-3 - I could even cope with useless screen mode - but viewfinder isn't as good as XT-3 anbd I am one of those types who think a viewfinder experience is the first thing I look at when assessing camera. Same reason I didn't pick up a GFXR - love the rangefinder style - didn't like the EVF.
Ok that is it from me on this topic - apologies in advance if my preferences set came across as some criticism of Fuji in general - the reverse is true for me - I have Fuji love in abundance.:thumbup:
Nelson - you are too much of a gentleman to ever disagree with someone's personal preferences - I didnt mean my post to convey that impression. Re people switching from Fuji to Leica - hahahah I totally agree - very little chance of that for all sorts of reasons. However there are people who (like me) are very right eyed biased and really like the viewfinder on the left end of a camera body (what marketers are calling 'rangefinder style' ) rather than around midway - so in film dats I p[referred to shoot with XPan/Mamiya711 and Leica MIm not disagreeing with your preferences. I just don’t believe most people that are Fuji X buyers (as a primary system) are cross shopping with Leica. I’m sure there’s a small minority that do/will but they’re the exception.
I didn’t take your criticism as anti-Fuji at all. You were simply expressing your concerns. It’s all fair game. I tried a GFX R the other day and disliked it. I understand.
Well that’s a real physiological issue. Like I eluded to, that’s a fair observation and reasoning for wanting to shift to Leica or Sony. If cost isn’t an issue, and it’s a backup kit I believe that Leica might be a better option than Sony but if you shoot Sony FE then the APS-C bodies are a natural option for consideration.Nelson - you are too much of a gentleman to ever disagree with someone's personal preferences - I didnt mean my post to convey that impression. Re people switching from Fuji to Leica - hahahah I totally agree - very little chance of that for all sorts of reasons. However there are people who (like me) are very right eyed biased and really like the viewfinder on the left end of a camera body (what marketers are calling 'rangefinder style' ) rather than around midway - so in film dats I p[referred to shoot with XPan/Mamiya711 and Leica M
these days for mirrorless the choices are pretty limited - gets down to XPro-3 / Leica CL or M and Sony 6 series. I will try out an XPro-3 but I suspect that I won't be prepared to accept an EVF that isn't as good as the XT-3.
Getting more 'precise' with my concerns on EVF : The OVF 'hybrid viewfinder' gives a magnification of .52X, sorry I can't work with that kind of view...and if one wishes to employ manual focus- really on focus by wire lenses? too hard for me...or maybe my typical use for snap shotters is - snap shot as in fast.
Meanwhile - the EVF has the same number of pixels as XT-3 but magnification is .66X V Fuji XT-3 at .75X.
Serious differences in actual viewfinder and therefore shooting experience.
I'm like you Pete, I prefer a "rangefinder" style viewing experience - a window on the left hand end of the body. I'm looking - literally - for something to stuff in a jacket pocket. I had a look at the XE-3, which I think is the forgotten Fuji in a way. It's seriously small and light - 335g or something. However the VF experience isn't the greatest and there's a noticeable lag switching between screen and viewfinder and back again. With a small prime it absolutely fits the bill and is surprisingly capable. I just don't know about the whole VF thing.Nelson - you are too much of a gentleman to ever disagree with someone's personal preferences - I didnt mean my post to convey that impression. Re people switching from Fuji to Leica - hahahah I totally agree - very little chance of that for all sorts of reasons. However there are people who (like me) are very right eyed biased and really like the viewfinder on the left end of a camera body (what marketers are calling 'rangefinder style' ) rather than around midway - so in film dats I p[referred to shoot with XPan/Mamiya711 and Leica M
these days for mirrorless the choices are pretty limited - gets down to XPro-3 / Leica CL or M and Sony 6 series. I will try out an XPro-3 but I suspect that I won't be prepared to accept an EVF that isn't as good as the XT-3.
Getting more 'precise' with my concerns on EVF : The OVF 'hybrid viewfinder' gives a magnification of .52X, sorry I can't work with that kind of view...and if one wishes to employ manual focus- really on focus by wire lenses? too hard for me...or maybe my typical use for snap shotters is - snap shot as in fast.
Meanwhile - the EVF has the same number of pixels as XT-3 but magnification is .66X V Fuji XT-3 at .75X.
Serious differences in actual viewfinder and therefore shooting experience.
YepI'm like you Pete, I prefer a "rangefinder" style viewing experience - a window on the left hand end of the body. I'm looking - literally - for something to stuff in a jacket pocket. I had a look at the XE-3, which I think is the forgotten Fuji in a way. It's seriously small and light - 335g or something. However the VF experience isn't the greatest and there's a noticeable lag switching between screen and viewfinder and back again. With a small prime it absolutely fits the bill and is surprisingly capable. I just don't know about the whole VF thing.
Does anyone have user experience with the XE-3?
Interesting you bring the XE-3 up Pelorus - may be worth looking at as a small compact and left side viewfinder option ...I'm like you Pete, I prefer a "rangefinder" style viewing experience - a window on the left hand end of the body. I'm looking - literally - for something to stuff in a jacket pocket. I had a look at the XE-3, which I think is the forgotten Fuji in a way. It's seriously small and light - 335g or something. However the VF experience isn't the greatest and there's a noticeable lag switching between screen and viewfinder and back again. With a small prime it absolutely fits the bill and is surprisingly capable. I just don't know about the whole VF thing.
Does anyone have user experience with the XE-3?
When I had the Xp1, I only had two native lenses with it for a long time: the 2/18 and the 1.4/35. Would buy them again if I ever go back to the XP world. I noticed that this was probably the camera I used the most for street, due to its optical view finder and the autofocus. I still like the concept, but I don't really want (again) another system, and I am not prepared yet to sell anything. Still got my X100F, which sits nicely between the 18 and 35, got a central shutter and a flash attached.Yep
https://www.getdpi.com/forum/fuji/35546-fun-fuji-x-___-101.html#post762337
a very fine camera, very mature compared to size.
I use it too little, but I won't sell, dreaming on using it more, with that magical 18/2 on..
its just as a pocket-XT2/3 to me...
perhaps I sell both the XT2 and XT3 and keep the X-E3 with just the 90/2(the purest-magic-drawing-lens-at-all), 16/1.4 the 18/2 - and perhaps the tiny pancake 27/2.8 when it shall be nearest-possible-pocket-camera (and you really don't want to bring anything..)
you may like this one, too ....I think this was a very fair and interesting Review of the XPro3 - worth watching.:thumbup:
made me prepared to at least test the thing and see how I feel in use...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkJ5o7ysXkI
Pelorus, congrats on the XP3. I am sure it is going to be a fine camera. It is funny, the XP3 screen was not that much of an issue for me. Yes, it was an unusual design move, but it did give some flexibility to use the X Pro at waist level. There is some functionality in the XP3 that is really attractive like the RAW HDR and frame averaging.
What really did not work for me in the X Pro3 was the loss of the dual-magnification OVF. That is really important for the use of both the XF14 and XF50--there are no frame lines for the XF14, but the entire field of the OVF approximated it well enough. So with my lenses, 14mm, 23mm, 50mm, and 90mm, the XP2/1 OVF design is important. And I am one of the few XP2 owners that relies on the OVF for most of my shooting. I am sure the EVF is much better in the XP3, and while I use the LCD, I never really connected with EVFs. Given Fuji have determined their user-base primarily uses the EVF, I doubt the dual-magnification OVF will make it back in future models.
Speaking of Dante, I have a second XP2 on order. :toocool: Could not miss the chance of the Fuji end of the year promotion. :grin: