glenerrolrd
Workshop Member
Just another temptation. Kurland is next to the Leica Gallery in NYC and often gets Leica demo equipment . Its $22,995 with the 70mm lens and a one year warranty thru Leica. Just stirring up trouble again.
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Sorry but have you ever used a S2?The S2 is a great idea but just soooooooooo over priced, especially considering there are what, two lenses available and only one more ready to be released? Come on Leica! What are you thinking? I'm especially not into the idea of having to rely on their hopeless after sales support and international repairs dept again. Personally, I think you'd have to be mad to spend $22K on an S2 at this stage of the game.
I didn't mention image quality or ergonomics, just that there is no real system of lenses yet and no real support network to be seen anywhere near my part of the world. But no, for $22K USD, or over a third more where I live, I won't even bother trying the S2 as its currently presented. A Phase or Blad system is a much better investment. Of course, this is only my opinion but judging from others comments it's a common one. Which is a shame because there are many things going for the S2 on paper.Sorry but have you ever used a S2?
I have used the S2 (not my cup of tea as far as images are concerned, but a very nice camera), and I most certainly have had to use their after sales service ... unfortunately.Sorry but have you ever used a S2?
+1.... Personally I dont see what should be wrong with the M9.
It is IMO the smallest full sensor camera, with the smallest avialable high quality lenses, with a great user interface. The only problem (not for me) is that Leica doesnt produce anough M9s for the market.
+1Hate to see it While the M9 is phenomenal IMO, sadly I just can't say the same for the S2 no matter how much I want to ... and it isn't just the money (but that sure plays a part).
Form factor is a wonderful thing ... but in the end all that is secondary to what ends up in print ... and that is where I fell off the choo-choo. Had it delivered there in an uncontested manner, I would have found the money.
Frankly, the files I'm getting from the H4D/40 are what I expected from the S2 ... the H4D stuff looks more like my M9 shots only bigger. Sometimes you get a match up of lenses, imaging chain, and sensor that just does it, and sometimes you don't.
Now a R-10 would have been exactly what I could use. Even if 18 or so meg. I would have been there in a New York heart beat. I waited and waited, and then Leica whipped down their corporate zipper and took a leak on us long time loyal R users with a fortune in R glass and no digital SLR to put them on except a crippled DMR.
Instead Sony and Zeiss got my money :wtf: ... it's a world turned up-side-down. In a million years, who would have thunk it?
-Marc
Well, with a S2 one thing that you'll be missing is the $8,000. differenceDear georgl
Could you please explain how I can see that "there isn't much difference in IQ from the camera itself", without using any converter profile? Why isn't there a converter profile that is good enough?
I am actually trying to convince myself that S2's IQ is just as good as
H40d-40's, but so far, the images that I have seen, show all kinds of little wierd stuff, especially at higher ISOs. Hassy's images shot in the similar environment, are simply nice.
Not being negative, just trying to understand what it is I am missing...
Basically, that is what I meant when I said the H4D/40 files were what I had hoped for from the S2 ... the sensor specs being similar, one would think so ... then the form factor and all that would be the deciding factor."I have used the S2 (not my cup of tea as far as images are concerned, but a very nice camera)"
It's basically a H4D40 sensor-wise, besides converter-profiles, there isn't much difference in IQ from the camera itself.