David Grover / Phase One
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I'm sorry Bryan, until the tone becomes friendlier and professional I'm taking myself out of this discussion.
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Graham, I think David means to say that a H4 (and H3) owner CANNOT trade in.An H4 Owner would not trade in their H4 Graham.
The H4x is for H1/2 customers.
Please don't sulk, David. You're a bigger man than that, I'm sure. I'll admit I'm being cheeky, but it's just the Australian Larrikin in me.I'm sorry Bryan, until the tone becomes friendlier and professional I'm taking myself out of this discussion.
Sorry, I'm still confused. You wrote earlier "There are also similar paths for existing H1/2/3/4D users as well" and then "The H4x is for H1/2 customers". Which is it?An H4 Owner would not trade in their H4 Graham.
The H4x is for H1/2 customers.
I'm not sure they can do that. It seems that the H4x is being offered only with a traded-in H1 or H2. Even if the H4D owner could buy an H4x, why should they pay thousands for what amounts to a firmware upgrade? I'm still waiting for a definitive answer on this.if everyones friend wants/needs to upgrade he can sell their H4D and buy H4x and get back to normal..
I tend to agree . It looks like they are figuring out there game plan and this is the start of it but I agree there are some things that may not rub everyone just right at the moment.May I suggest we give David and Hasselblad just a little break? The company is in transition and it will take a while for management to formulate and understand what it wants to do. The key thing is that it appears there is a strategic decision to open the platform. The tactics are in flux and confusing - at the moment. I expect we will see clarity and sense over the next few months. In the meantime, Hasselblad employees will probably be quite open to constructive suggestions.
Peter
I agree there are some weird aspects to this program with the H4X, but I can never understand why the most dissatisfaction and, really, venom, about what Hasselblad does and does not do comes from those who don't use, and would not even consider using, their products.I tend to agree . It looks like they are figuring out there game plan and this is the start of it but I agree there are some things that may not rub everyone just right at the moment.
For some reason people love to hate Hasselblad, if the same level of vitriol that I see on forums whenever Hasselblad is mentioned, was directed at Phase, those posters would be very quickly banned.Proving that no good deed goes unpunished
-Marc
FYI, the H2F has been out for some time, it allows use of film or a CF/CF-II back and among other things allows use of the HCD lenses which the H1/2 did not. I know, I had one. The H4X expands on that by opening up the choice of backs and adds features like TF, APL.+1 for Howard's comment...
Obviously, Hasselblad will adjust this offering and tweak the final product. From a business perspective, only allowing users of a single model access to the H4X does not seem prudent, and i'm sure Hasselblad will agree, but badgering David for details seems less useful. The rental market is big, and perhaps this is where the H4X is being targeted for now. There's also a large market for H1/H2, users who still shoot film, unwilling to upgrade to a digital only version. I welcome this decision, and look forward to a future purchase.
But they are not releasing a successor. That would imply a product for sale. To the public.For some reason people love to hate Hasselblad, if the same level of vitriol that I see on forums whenever Hasselblad is mentioned, was directed at Phase, those posters would be very quickly banned.
It's ironic to see people who have long lambasted Hasselblad for being a closed system (silly as that label is) now attacking them for releasing an "open" successor to the H2.
I think you have that slightly backwards. But outside of that I'm frankly a little tired of the BS here folks. Any more of these kinds of stupid comments on either side of the fence you will be looking at me in a whole diffrent light. It ends now this is NOT the GetDPI way and I let this go on from some silly *** comments about even insulting me. I'm done , I'm getting the complaints and I'm holding the buttons. Get the point. :deadhorse:For some reason people love to hate Hasselblad, if the same level of vitriol that I see on forums whenever Hasselblad is mentioned, was directed at Phase, those posters would be very quickly banned.
It's ironic to see people who have long lambasted Hasselblad for being a closed system (silly as that label is) now attacking them for releasing an "open" successor to the H2.
Two question, Marc. What is "Absolute Position Lock"? And, how effectively do the 28 and 35-90 work on an H4D-60? The Hasselblad Q and A is vague on the latter issue.Okay, I read the announcement including the question and answer section.
The H4X now provides a path to replace the out of production and aging H1/H2s while also providing some, but not all, of the more recent innovations like True Focus, Absolute Position lock, and use of the HCD lenses (28 and 35-90)
It's just a simple move to support long time H users even though they use a competitive back.
Proving that no good deed goes unpunished
-Marc